Armenian names in Czarist Russia

[Artashes]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

Thanks for the info(2nd time). If the Armen you spoke of is a real estate agent in s.California then I'm waiting for a reply. Was the Armen you spoke of a real estate agent? Thank you again Artashes

Ok,wasn't the real estate guy so maybe it's the Armen that gives tours in the Homeland.
Thanks for the bird dog.
Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

Most Armenian surnames have some sort of meaning in Ottoman Turkish (mostly to do with professions or physical characteristics). There is a man named Armen Aroyan who knows what a lot of them mean. Google him. Ottoman Turkish is very different from modern Turkish so in most cases there is no point in looking names up in a Turkish dictionary.

Thanks for the info(2nd time). If the Armen you spoke of is a real estate agent in s.California then I'm waiting for a reply. Was the Armen you spoke of a real estate agent? Thank you again Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

Must of had a senior moment when I asked above question to strangers without asking family first. My grandfather was born Hamparsunian or Hamparsumian in the old country but changed it to Hamparian in America to ease pronunciation . Still have some questions. Someone in this forum recommended a site to find out meanings of names. When I visited the site all they had was that all Armenian last names meant (son of this person, son of that person).
But when I was young I was told Hamparian meant(worker of gold or metal and Kaitangian meant worker of string or rope/twine/thread. Can anyone verify this expand.
Also when I was young I went to UCLA Armenian section but was overwhelmed. I vaguely recall a book explaining that an Armenian name that had a (sunian or sumian)ending meant that at a certain time those people had left or moved from one place to another? Does anyone know any info on either of these points?
Thanks from Artashes

Most Armenian surnames have some sort of meaning in Ottoman Turkish (mostly to do with professions or physical characteristics). There is a man named Armen Aroyan who knows what a lot of them mean. Google him. Ottoman Turkish is very different from modern Turkish so in most cases there is no point in looking names up in a Turkish dictionary.

[Artashes]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

My grandfathers name on his military certificate and death certificate is Hamparian,but when I was a child he once told me his name was Hamparsunian? I think he was telling me something. Does anyone know what this means?
Thanks from Artashes

Must of had a senior moment when I asked above question to strangers without asking family first. My grandfather was born Hamparsunian or Hamparsumian in the old country but changed it to Hamparian in America to ease pronunciation . Still have some questions. Someone in this forum recommended a site to find out meanings of names. When I visited the site all they had was that all Armenian last names meant (son of this person, son of that person).
But when I was young I was told Hamparian meant(worker of gold or metal and Kaitangian meant worker of string or rope/twine/thread. Can anyone verify this expand.
Also when I was young I went to UCLA Armenian section but was overwhelmed. I vaguely recall a book explaining that an Armenian name that had a (sunian or sumian)ending meant that at a certain time those people had left or moved from one place to another? Does anyone know any info on either of these points?
Thanks from Artashes

[Artashes]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

My grandfathers name on his military certificate and death certificate is Hamparian,but when I was a child he once told me his name was Hamparsunian? I think he was telling me something. Does anyone know what this means?
Thanks from Artashes

[hrai]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

Russian Armenians often get an -ov or -ovsky, if female, -ov becomes -ova.
Ov as a suffix means and -ev means sone of. -Ova or -Ovna daughter of.
-skii usually means family of.

Also Russian Armenians have patronymical names, which means if your father was say Hovhanness Xachatrurov,
and your name is say Artem, you will be Artem Hovhannesovich Xachaturov (Xachatryan). With girls it gets -ovna, so if your name is Hasmik, you'd be Hasmik Hovhannesovna Xachaturov. (Xachaturova)

Armenian surnames become their Russian equivalent in suffix, hence :

Aivazyan becomes Aivazovsky.
Xachatryan becomes Xachaturov (Khachaturov, whichever transliteration you like).
Kasparian becomes Kaparov.

If the surname has -ovich it usually means it's of Serbian origin (like Miloradovich) or that they were Serbian Armenians if they were Armenians (for example Sargisovich).

As to Baba's name, Grigorean is just the old spelling of Grigoryan, mostly likely the name is quite old,
during when Armenians adopted the Persian -yan sufix. It's doubtful it was due to a recent relation.

As to the Ashot one, it would be Ashot Babayevich Grigoryan,
meaning Ashot son of Baba. The normal Russian "e" is pronounced as a "ye" usually unless otherwise indicated in Cyrrillic.
While -yan means son of, usually it's was established ages back, so it's basically read as descendants of, otherwise if someone was named Sargis Vartanian and had a son they would become Sargisyan which they don't.

Oh, bear in mind, Russian doesn't have an H, it means that the Armenians surnames often lose an H, like Harutyunyan becomes Aroutyunyan.

Just adding the A on the female ending. With the H, in Russian they can lose it or replace it with G.

[hrai]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

Yeah but that's not an H as such, Khe (Xeh) is a different phoneme than Ho.
In Spanish the Spanish J is not equivalent to J, Spanish has an H but it's silent usually (hence Hola is said as "oh-lah"),
only in the middle of a sentence does it have any pronunciation.

Russian as such does not have the proper H sound (Ho in Armenian), again the sound you mention is Xah (Xeh in Armenian), which is to any linguistic seens as different to H.

Hence why Armenians become Aroutunyan, not Xaroutunyan.

I stand to be corrected but Russians translate Latin H as G...............ie, Gitler.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

Yeah but that's not an H as such, Khe (Xeh) is a different phoneme than Ho.
In Spanish the Spanish J is not equivalent to J, Spanish has an H but it's silent usually (hence Hola is said as "oh-lah"),
only in the middle of a sentence does it have any pronunciation.

Russian as such does not have the proper H sound (Ho in Armenian), again the sound you mention is Xah (Xeh in Armenian), which is to any linguistic seens as different to H.

Hence why Armenians become Aroutunyan, not Xaroutunyan.

[Christina]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

The H in Russian is=N. Tzar Nicholas I & II spelled it with an H. And A.H. was Anastasia Nikolaevich.
Spanish also has a J=H, as in Jennifer Lopez pronunciated: Hennifer.

Arabic does not have a P. So Pepsi Cola is in theory "Bepsi Cola." While Farsi has P. Example: Parveneh
(a woman's name. The English would be Patty).

The Armenian names were Russianized. It was the policy of olden times and modern to speak Russian,
and not their people's individual languages. That is the complaint of the Polish people, the Lithuanians,
and so forth.

[Pedro Xaramillo]

Re: Armenian names in Czarist Russia

Russian Armenians often get an -ov or -ovsky, if female, -ov becomes -ova.
Ov as a suffix means and -ev means sone of. -Ova or -Ovna daughter of.
-skii usually means family of.

Also Russian Armenians have patronymical names, which means if your father was say Hovhanness Xachatrurov,
and your name is say Artem, you will be Artem Hovhannesovich Xachaturov (Xachatryan). With girls it gets -ovna, so if your name is Hasmik, you'd be Hasmik Hovhannesovna Xachaturov.

Armenian surnames become their Russian equivalent in suffix, hence :

Aivazyan becomes Aivazovsky.
Xachatryan becomes Xachaturov (Khachaturov, whichever transliteration you like).
Kasparian becomes Kaparov.

If the surname has -ovich it usually means it's of Serbian origin (like Miloradovich) or that they were Serbian Armenians if they were Armenians (for example Sargisovich).

As to Baba's name, Grigorean is just the old spelling of Grigoryan, mostly likely the name is quite old,
during when Armenians adopted the Persian -yan sufix. It's doubtful it was due to a recent relation.

As to the Ashot one, it would be Ashot Babayevich Grigoryan,
meaning Ashot son of Baba. The normal Russian "e" is pronounced as a "ye" usually unless otherwise indicated in Cyrrillic.
While -yan means son of, usually it's was established ages back, so it's basically read as descendants of, otherwise if someone was named Sargis Vartanian and had a son they would become Sargisyan which they don't.

Oh, bear in mind, Russian doesn't have an H, it means that the Armenians surnames often lose an H, like Harutyunyan becomes Aroutyunyan.