Can We Trust the Bible?

[londontsi]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

Diet And Nutrition


Genesis 1:29
And God said, “Behold, I have given you every plant yielding seed that is on the face of all the earth, and every tree with seed in its fruit. You shall have them for food.

Genesis 9:3
Every moving thing that lives shall be food for you. And as I gave you the green plants, I give you everything.

Leviticus 3:17
It shall be a statute forever throughout your generations, in all your dwelling places, that you eat neither fat nor blood.”

Leviticus 11:4-44
4 But of animals that rechew food and have divided hoofs you must not eat the following: the camel—though it rechews food, it does not have divided hoofs, so it is unclean for you;
5 the rock badger—though it rechews food, it does not have divided hoofs, so it is unclean for you;
6 the hare—though it rechews food, it does not have divided hoofs, so it is unclean for you;
7 the pig—though it has completely divided hoofs, it does not rechew food, so it is unclean for you.
8 You must not eat the flesh of these animals or touch their dead bodies; they are unclean for you.

9 You are allowed to eat the following from all water animals: You may eat anything in the water that has fins and scales, whether in sea or stream.
10 But anything in the seas or streams that does not have fins and scales—whether it be any of the swarming creatures in the water or any of the other living creatures in the water—is detestable to you
11 and must remain so. You must not eat their flesh, and you must detest their dead bodies.
12 Anything in the water that does not have fins or scales is detestable to you.

13 Of the birds, the following are the ones you must detest—they must not be eaten; they are detestable: the eagle, the black vulture, the bearded vulture,
14 the kite, any kind of falcon,
15 any kind of raven,
16 the eagle owl, the short-eared owl, the long-eared owl, any kind of hawk,
17 the tawny owl, the fisher owl, the screech owl, 18 the white owl, the scops owl, the osprey, 19 the stork, any kind of heron, the hoopoe, and the bat.[a]

20 Any flying insect that walks on four feet is detestable to you,
21 but you can eat four-footed flying insects that have jointed legs above their feet with which they hop on the ground.
22 Of these you can eat the following: any kind of migrating locust, any kind of bald locust, any kind of cricket, and any kind of grasshopper.
23 But every other flying insect that has four feet is detestable to you.
Unclean animals

24 You make yourself unclean by the following animals—whoever touches their dead bodies will be unclean until evening,
25 and anyone who carries any part of their dead bodies must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening:
26 All animals that have divided hoofs, but they are not completely split, and that do not rechew food are unclean for you—whoever touches them will be unclean. 27 Of all the animals that walk on four feet, the ones that walk on their paws are unclean for you—anyone who touches their dead bodies will be unclean until evening.
28 Anyone who carries one of their dead bodies must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening; these animals are unclean for you.

29 The following are unclean for you among the small creatures that move about on the ground: the rat, the mouse, any kind of large lizard,
30 the gecko, the spotted lizard, the lizard, the skink, and the chameleon.[b]
31 Of all small moving creatures, these are unclean for you—anyone who touches them when they are dead will be unclean until evening.
32 Moreover, anything on which one of these creatures falls when it is dead will be unclean, whether it is wood, cloth, skin, or funeral clothing—any such item that can be used to do work. It must be put into water and will be unclean until evening. Then it will be clean again. 33 If any of these creatures fall into a pottery jar, everything inside it will be unclean; you must smash the pot.
34 If water from such a jar gets on any edible food, it will be unclean; any drinkable beverage in such a jar will be unclean.
35 Anything on which a part of these animals’ dead bodies might fall will be unclean. If it is an oven or stove, it must be destroyed; they are unclean for you and must remain that way.
36 Now, a spring or cistern that collects water is clean, but anyone who touches one of these animals’ dead bodies in it will be unclean.[c] 37 If any part of these animals’ dead bodies falls on seed that is to be planted, the seed is still clean. 38 But if water is poured on some seed and part of their dead bodies falls on it, it is unclean for you.

39 If one of the animals that you are allowed to eat dies naturally, anyone who touches its dead body will be unclean until evening.
40 Anyone who eats from the dead body must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening. Anyone who carries such a dead body must wash their clothes and will be unclean until evening.

41 Every creature that swarms on the earth is detestable; it must not be eaten.
42 Among all such creatures that swarm on the earth, you must not eat anything that moves on its belly or anything that walks on four or more feet because they are detestable.
43 Do not make yourselves detestable by means of any swarming creatures. Do not make yourselves unclean with them or be made unclean by them.
44 I am the Lord your God. You must keep yourselves holy and be holy, because I am holy. You must not make yourselves unclean by any swarming creature that crawls on the ground.


As a start worth noticing the contraditions....

[Cory]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

You are absolutely right, religion does more harm robertik1, but Christianity is not a religion
Religion= man made rules
Christianity=personal relationship with GOD

Agreed. God bless you.

[Cory]

Re: Can we trust ourselves?

Personally I think religion does more harm than good. Humans need to evolve past this b.s. and focus on making life better here on earth now than some imaginary valhalla in the future. When you are dead thats it. I think most of the atheists on this board would agree with me on that.

Religion is exactly the right word to describe naturalism. The entire philosophy is built on a faith-based premise. Its basic presupposition � a rejection of everything supernatural � requires a giant leap of faith. And nearly all its supporting theories must be taken by faith as well.

This is the Atheists dilemma, they say "we come from nothing and are going to become nothing, yet in between we have this great significance." It doesn't make sense at all.

[londontsi]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

If you are a Christian, then you believe in the Bible because it is GODs word & it's a tool of how to live your life

If you read it & understand it & study it then it will make sense to you.

Bible is not a tool as to how to live your life.

Bible is full of contradictions. It propagates many attitudes which are alien to us and generaly rejected by present day societies.

The proof of my statement is, the number of Christian religions that exist. Last quote I remember is more than 400 !!!
All quote the Bible as their source and inspiration (WHICH IS TRUE) yet disagree with each other, with accusations and claims that their version is "correct".

I will put forward references from the Bible to substantiate to points I made above.

However before that I would like to make a quotation from the Lord Jesus who said,

Matthew 5:17 Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfil them.

This was referring to the Old Testament. So any reference about the Bible has to mean both the Old and New Testament.

I have no intention to discredit the Bible but to highlight “guidance” from the Bible which most of us would find unacceptable.

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[MrHyeSev]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

You are absolutely right, religion does more harm robertik1, but Christianity is not a religion
Religion= man made rules
Christianity=personal relationship with GOD

[robertik1]

Can we trust ourselves?

Personally I think religion does more harm than good. Humans need to evolve past this b.s. and focus on making life better here on earth now than some imaginary valhalla in the future. When you are dead thats it. I think most of the atheists on this board would agree with me on that.

[MrHyeSev]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

If you read it & understand it & study it then it will make sense to you.

"No one comes to the Father except through me"
Sounds like a monopoly.

[Haykakan]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

"No one comes to the Father except through me"
Sounds like a monopoly.

[MrHyeSev]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

If you are a Christian, then you believe in the Bible because it is GODs word & it's a tool of how to live your life

[Cory]

Re: Can We Trust the Bible?

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Bible is the Holy Book of the Christian religion.

Therefore those who profess to be Christian must trust the Bible.

Armenians overall are a Christian Nation.

There is no argument within the Armenian Church establishment about the validity or trust we have in the Bible.

On many occasions its been said any Armenian who is other than Christian in his/her beliefs is �not an Armenian�.

Why the laconic question of the thread.

Why are you initiating and spreading doubts about the validity of the Bible in peoples mind.

OR, is this another marketing trick you picked at your marketing course?

Religion and specially Christianity should not be peddled in that manner. This is sacrilege.


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There are many Atheist or Agnostic Armenians who believe that the Bible is nothing but a man made fairy tale invented for mass control. I've seen a lot of them here on this forum so I think it would be a good read for them.

There are also many professing Christian Armenians who see Christianity as more of a tradition and the Bible just another religious book written by man. I think it would be a good read for them.

There also many Armenian Christians who are constantly bombarded with anti-christian propaganda trying to discredit the validity of the Bible. i.e the Bible has been revised so man times so it can't be trusted etc etc... I think it would be a good read for them.

And than there are many Armenian Anti-christian "Christians" like yourself. Who hate Christians and the Bible and all Christianity stands for. Trying to suppress the truth you will attack me at every corner making some of the most ridicules claims. You're blinded by hate and fear. To you there is a Turk behind every bush.

You're not a Christian Sir. Your a lier and a instigator.

Please I'm asking you as your brother in humanity, consider what your doing. You will one day stand in the judgment seat of Jesus Christ. Your eternity is at stake. I'm not some self-righteous person like you accused me of being. I'm a sinner just like you. In fact, if it wasn't for the mercy and grace of my Lord Jesus I would be worse than you. I, like you, are in desperate need of a savior. No one will escape the wrath of God. Despite the fact that we hated God and rebelled against him, yet while we were still sinners, the Holy Son of God willingly came down into human existence in the person of Jesus and paid the penalty for the judgment me and you justly deserve. It is free gift by grace through faith. All you have to do is except it. There is nothing you can do to get right with God, no amount of good deeds will brush your past sins under the rug. God is a just judge. He will Not let the criminal get away with their crimes. He will Not be bribed by some so-called good works. For this reason, Christ came and died on the Cross for our sins, therefore, now God can and will legally forgive your sins because His Son paid for them on the cross. Only the blood of Jesus Christ will wash you clean and present you as holy (as He is Holy) to the Father. Jesus said, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me". (john 14:6)

Now the last paragraph I just wrote - to some - it will sound like none sense. But it makes perfect sense, and it is the teaching of the Bible. Well why should anyone believe the Bible, after all it was written by man and revised and it contradicts itself right? Nope. Hence the purpose of the original thread "Can We Trust the Bible?" I hope you read it and realize that yes we can as the Bible is in fact the infallible Word of God.

I hope you understand. God bless you.