Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

[truAnatolian]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

I think we can all agree that the Hellenic Influence at the time was great. It was the dominant culture of the old world. I don't think there is much to go beyond that.

As for "Iranians".... "Persia" was rules many times by different Irano-tribes (Parthians, Scythians, Medians etc). This all changed with the influx of mongol hordes and turks from the East. For instance the Timurid Empire, based out of what we traditionally consider Persia or Iran and was forged by Tamerlane who was of Turco-mongol stock. The dominant language however remained that of the irano-aryans (farsi i beleive its called).

To complicate things further the fall of the Timurid Dynasty saw the rise of the Safavid Dynasty. The safavids were of both Kurdish and Azeri stock. The azeri's are a branch of the Oghuz turks who migrated westwards with the rest of the central asian and Mongol tribes. The kurds are historically an Irano peoples, the Azeris are not. Currently I would say "Iran" is being ruled by irano-aryan people as the language persists. The azeri's however make upto 40% of Irans current population.

So i wouldn't consider Azeri's Neo-Iranians. There is still a strong presence of "Irano-aryans" there. The influx of turks though have changed the kinetics of the middle east and Central asia quite drastically.

[yerazhishda]

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oslonor's 'Parthian' Bust



Bust of Greek Warrior



No similiarities at all, huh oslonor?

[jgk3]

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My friend, all I'm saying is that your picture of "Real Parthian" has more to do with being a relic of Greek cultural influence in the region in question and not anthropology.

Cherry picking what historical busts you'd like to use to prop up a certain physical anthropological profile of a people is not going to win you any approval amongst any serious bunch. For Christ sakes, your "Fraud - Fake Azeri Turk Cyrus the Great" picture reminds us of facial features present in Greek phenotypes just as well as the picture above it. Dinaricism has nothing to do with "Turk".

Anyway, there's no point arguing with you is there... You are the ultimate authority. Your views are perfect and it is we, foolish Armenians who are at fault.

[oslonor]

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I'm just saying that you're knowledge of history of the region in question is quite limited when you aren't even aware of the hellenistic presence in its culture following the conquests of Alexander the Great, which we've noted from you in the past.

Still, you keep posting a Hellenistic style Parthian bust without realizing how hellenic it really is.

Yes. You are correct. Parthians adopted many elements of Greek Culture. But what is that to do with my posts. Where did I say something incorrect.

Parthians had adopted Greek culture before even Alexander came to Persia. It has nothing to do with Alexander. Also it was parthians who forced Alexander's successors out of Persia. So it is very clear Parthians considers themselves as relatives of Persians and not Greeks.

Again to Understand Parthian: Parthians were not greeks. Parthians were urbanized Scythians who spoke middle Persian langauge or Pahlavi. They also adopted many customs and cultures from ancient Persia. Parthians ruled Persia for several hundred years and even the succeeding Sassanian dyansty was founded by Parthian generals. So their history is competely related to Persia although they had greek cutural elements. So what is your problem??? What are you trying to say? Are you saying Parthians were Greeks????

[jgk3]

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I'm just saying that you're knowledge of history of the region in question is quite limited when you aren't even aware of the hellenistic presence in its culture following the conquests of Alexander the Great, which we've noted from you in the past.

Still, you keep posting a Hellenistic style Parthian bust without realizing how hellenic it really is.

[oslonor]

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If a fake starts learning about the truth, he wouldn't be fake anymore now would he? Hence why he avoids books.

No Need to respond to "Pakistani the Great" post.

But your comments are unclear. What is your point??? What fraud? what books? point out incorrect statements so we know what you are talking about.

[jgk3]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

If a fake starts learning about the truth, he wouldn't be fake anymore now would he? Hence why he avoids books.

[KarotheGreat]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Osloner most of the things you say are fake are thousand years old. LOL you should better take up an book and study the history of the region.

[oslonor]

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Are Azeris native Albanian Caucasians???

The following shows that most Albanian Caucasians were murdered by Azeri Turks and only a few remnants have remained. So much for the Azeri claims to be natives of Caucasia!!!!!

"Also of interest is the fact that there are surviving remnants of Caucasian Albanias today, known as Udins. Their language is Northeast Caucasian, and so is related to Chechen and other ethnic languages of North Caucasus. Armenian is an Indo-European language. Georgian is a South Caucasian (Kartveli) language. There is also Northwest Caucasian language family. This demonstrates the fact that Caucasus is the most linguistically diverse area on earth while being roughly the size of UK."

[oslonor]

Re: Neo Iranians: The Case of Azeri Turks

Fraud on Persians and Afghans
Fraud on Persians and AFghans

Fake Parthians with Mongolian face - Tehran Musueum


Real Parthian - Turkemenstan Musuem


Fraud - Fake Azeri Turk Cyrus the Great


Fraud on Afghans - Big nose is photoshoped for the afghan girl.


Fraud from Wikepedia - These people are called Iranians.


Persians According to Wikepedia - Not clear what is the criteria they have used to choose these people as Persians????? And what is the difference between Persians and Iranians?????