Narcotics and Morality

[yerazhishda]

Re: Narcotics and Morality

In Islam we destroy the demand - literally. Any alcohol or drug consumption is punishable by death. You get caught drinking any alcohol or consuming other illegal subatances, we kill you. Look at Singapore, a non-Muslim nation. It doesn't spend a penny on any anti-narcotics division or on any drug rehabilitation programs. As a result, all the externalities and costs of drugs are non-existent in Singapore.

So does that include medicine? Tobacco? Caffeine?

[SoyElTurco]

Narcotics and Morality

You're mostly right. Though I actually side with the conservatives on abortion. Also I think that unless drugs such as marijuana are going to be legalized for recreational use, that alcohol should also be banned. I'm in favor of both being legal however, given the history of prohibition in this country. I'd also have some pretty radical education reforms somewhere in there too.

In some countries, alcohol (i.e. vodka) is made extremely cheap as it serves to distract the public from the more pertinent matters of the state. It literally serves to drug up a nation in the interests of the government. All they have to do to upkeep it is to cater to a well established alcoholic or drugged up lifestyle of the public. Russia is a good example of this with vodka (and I hear it is very cheap in Armenia too, though I've only been informed of this from one person), but other countries, like America, have a more diversified approach in drugging up the youth of the nation, let alone the soldiers and war veterans.

In some countries however, fanatic religion is good enough to heard the sheep, so drugs and alcohol aren't required.

Half-measures are inefficient. As long as there is a demand, any prohibition will be ineffective; people will look for ways to circumvent the law and supply the demand.

In Islam we destroy the demand - literally. Any alcohol or illegal drug consumption is punishable by death. You get caught drinking any alcohol or consuming other illegal subatances, we kill you. Look at Singapore, a non-Muslim nation. It doesn't spend a penny on any anti-narcotics division or on any drug rehabilitation programs. As a result, all the externalities and costs of drugs are non-existent in Singapore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law_of_Singapore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_...Act_(Singapore)

I wouldn't want any nation to have drug problems. Imagine if Armenia ever had drug related problems. Imagine how that would sink your country. Armenia cannot afford anymore problems than it has now. It would be excellent if the Armenian government imposed such laws. What good is there in drugs? What good is there in turning your people into junkies simply to adhere to a destructively perverse and extreme understanding of "human rights?" By being a citizen of any country, you are a part of that society and therefore, whether you like it or not, what you do to yourself will have an effect on the whole of society. The aggregate effect of everyone thinking "Oh, it's my personal decision and it will affect only me" is bullshˇt. If everyone thought like that, then you would have a detrimental decay and failure of that society. You cannot let people do that to themselves - it's immoral because the other citizens in the country will pay for that wrecklessness in increased taxes and compromised security that comes with drug related economics and politics. What right do some human rights groups have to impose their beliefs and judge others about capital punishment and how it should be dealt?

You can't let your emotions get in the way of these things. When someone injects, snorts or smokes that drug they have chosen the value of their life. They have chosen to be a burden on society for their own vile selfish pursuit. You can't have half-measures and expect to value the lives of junkies and good citizens equally and expect you can have a fair and just society. Those that choose to destroy themselves choose to take others down with them.

Ask yourselves, how Armenia, a country with less than 3 million people, surrounded by hostility, landlocked without resources can allow itself to bare the cost of its population exercising its "human right" of "the pursuit of happiness" (hedonism)? How can Armenia survive? It's imperative that there are no compromises or yielding to the forces of Satanism irrespective of what your religion is.

Drugs are a curse I do not wish even for the worst of my enemies.

I'm okay with killing users and dealers. I want a to live in a Sharia state or some kind of Singapore.

p.s. I created this thread so we dont digress on the other.

[jgk3]

Half-measures are inefficient. As long as there is a demand, any prohibition will be ineffective; people will look for ways to circumvent the law and supply the demand.

In Islam we destroy the demand - literally. Any alcohol or drug consumption is punishable by death. You get caught drinking any alcohol or consuming other illegal subatances, we kill you. Look at Singapore, a non-Muslim nation. It doesn't spend a penny on any anti-narcotics division or on any drug rehabilitation programs. As a result, all the externalities and costs of drugs are non-existent in Singapore.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criminal_law_of_Singapore

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Misuse_...Act_(Singapore)

I wouldn't want any nation to have drug problems. Imagine if Armenia ever had drug related problems. Imagine how that would sink your country. Armenia cannot afford anymore problems than it has now. It would be excellent if the Armenian government imposed such laws. What good is there in drugs? What good is there in turning your people into junkies simply to adhere to a destructively perverse and extreme understanding of "human rights?" By being a citizen of any country, you are a part of that society and therefore, whether you like it or not, what you do to yourself will have an effect on the whole of society. The aggregate effect of everyone thinking "Oh, it's my personal decision and it will affect only me" is bullxxxx. If everyone thought like that, then you would have a detrimental decay and failure of that society. You cannot let people do that to themselves - it's immoral because the other citizens in the country will pay for that wrecklessness in increased taxes and compromised security that comes with drug related economics and politics. What right do some human rights groups have to impose their beliefs and judge others about capital punishment and how it should be dealt?

You can't let your emotions get in the way of these things. When someone injects, snorts or smokes that drug they have chosen the value of their life. They have chosen to be a burden on society for their own vile selfish pursuit. You can't have half-measures and expect to value the lives of junkies and good citizens equally and expect you can have a fair and just society. Those that choose to destroy themselves choose to take others down with them.

Ask yourselves, how Armenia, a country with less than 3 million people, surrounded by hostility, landlocked without resources can allow itself to bare the cost of its population exercising its "human right" of "the pursuit of happiness" (hedonism)? How can Armenia survive? It's imperative that there are no compromises or yielding to the forces of Satanism irrespective of what your religion is.

Drugs are a curse I do not wish even for the worst of my enemies.

I'm okay with killing users and dealers. I want a to live in a Sharia state or some kind of Singapore.

In some countries, alcohol (i.e. vodka) is made extremely cheap as it serves to distract the public from the more pertinent matters of the state. It literally serves to drug up a nation in the interests of the government. All they have to do to upkeep it is to cater to a well established alcoholic or drugged up lifestyle of the public. Russia is a good example of this with vodka (and I hear it is very cheap in Armenia too, though I've only been informed of this from one person), but other countries, like America, have a more diversified approach in drugging up the youth of the nation, let alone the soldiers and war veterans. In America's case, I find that this drugged upness of the public is just complementary to its liberal ideology, which already serves to disintegrate the fabric that built the nation to begin with. Giving more rights to minority groups and special interest groups than the general public can ever hope to receive... Hearing about gay marriage debates out of California instead of its traumatic forest fires.

In some countries however, fanatic religion is good enough to heard the sheep, so drugs and alcohol aren't required. These countries are police states. America isn't there yet, but it's on its way.

My point to you is, I wouldn't be too proud of a sharia law situation. It is not "morally" superior to what is going on in America as you cut it out to be. When you are denied of even conceiving alternatives in your mind that are common in the west, this doesn't make you any better. You find moral high ground because of a synthetic position that was forced upon you, not one you won for yourself.