Animal Domestication and Crop raising!

[jgk3]

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which is why I mentioned "Eurasian cultures" in the drawing up of my statement of what the consensus is.

[Armanen]

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Yes but there is still debate as to whether the Natives of the Americas independently discovered agriculture or if somehow there was contact between the old and new world.

[jgk3]

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I wasn't aware of that particular consensus. All of the so called river valley civilizations are thought to have developed agriculture independently, these are of course the Euphrates/Tigris, Nile, Indus, Yangtze, and the rivers of Mesoamerica. The question is which river valley civilization was the first, and the consensus on that is Euphrates/Tigris (Mesopotamia and by extension the Armenian Highlands).

The debate becomes even more interesting when one asks where did the Sumerians come from and who are the "Watchers" which Sumerian records claim taught them all of the advanced know-how. Similar claims are also made with the other river valley civilizations of the time.

Armanen, that's exactly what I meant, they all drew their knowledge from 2 or 3 key centers in Eurasia.

[Armanen]

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The modern consensus through plenty of archeological work and inquiry into the sociological nature of Neolithic Eurasian humans from different parts of the world all showed that their agricultural tradition originated from 2 or 3 general regions in the world. Anatolia, the Indus Valley and the Far East.

I wasn't aware of that particular consensus. All of the so called river valley civilizations are thought to have developed agriculture independently, these are of course the Euphrates/Tigris, Nile, Indus, Yangtze, and the rivers of Mesoamerica. The question is which river valley civilization was the first, and the consensus on that is Euphrates/Tigris (Mesopotamia and by extension the Armenian Highlands).

The debate becomes even more interesting when one asks where did the Sumerians come from and who are the "Watchers" which Sumerian records claim taught them all of the advanced know-how. Similar claims are also made with the other river valley civilizations of the time.

[jgk3]

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It is interesting. I always think egypt would be first one. isnt this against the spread of humanity who comes from africa.

I find the out of Africa theory pretty hard to deny, yes, but what we did before and after that 200,000 year old black woman's mtDNA we all have, we've done a lot of stuff. Homo Erectus migrated to pretty much the same continents Homo Sapians did. After the exodus from Africa, quite a bit happened too. Ice Ages ravaged those who migrated to Europe and northern Eurasia. Asian genotypes split off and formed its own genetic identity, Caucasians developed in the Mediterranean region... But we still all hunted and gathered throughout the paleolithic age. What changed humanity forever was the advent of agriculture. The question has always been, when and where did it start? What factors played into it?

The modern consensus through plenty of archeological work and inquiry into the sociological nature of Neolithic Eurasian humans from different parts of the world all showed that their agricultural tradition originated from 2 or 3 general regions in the world. Anatolia, the Indus Valley and the Far East.

Everyone else came to adopt their agricultural traditions from one (and sometimes two) of these centers, Egyptians included.

[Palavra]

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I disagree. Domesticated animals and love/romance go together in Turkey

arent you bored? Also This is an armenian forum my friend, not Turkey.( do you know meaning of irony.)

Anyway, This is interesting. We guys have horses and you guys have pigs and goats. You know, in Turkey we call a beauty girl as a girl like horse(It is rude, I know.). what about you armenian. do you like girls like a pig or like a goat?

How boring you are.

Maybe the turk means that you can't beat a donkey into submission like you can other domesticated animals. They have a higher intelligence, longer memory and by nature will not forgive poor treatment. However a well trained donkey or mule is far more intelligent and useful then even a horse. They tend to be more sure footed, intelligent and have a higher endurance then the horse.

You are overestimating me... Realy..

looked, but I only found stuff about crops. I'll change the title of the thread so it's about agriculture too.

Here, Oldest incidence of harvested rice in the world, 15,000 years old, found in Korea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3207552.stm

It is interesting. I always think egypt would be first one. isnt this against the spread of humanity who comes from africa.

[jgk3]

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I disagree. Domesticated animals and love/romance go together in Turkey

lol.

[gmd]

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I looked, but I only found stuff about crops. I'll change the title of the thread so it's about agriculture too.



Haha... but livestock is about love and breeding :P

Is that why shepards have oversized boots?

[gmd]

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Maybe the turk means that you can't beat a donkey into submission like you can other domesticated animals. They have a higher intelligence, longer memory and by nature will not forgive poor treatment. However a well trained donkey or mule is far more intelligent and useful then even a horse. They tend to be more sure footed, intelligent and have a higher endurance then the horse.

[jgk3]

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what about other nations. any map about them(Specially curious about egypt and china.)

I looked, but I only found stuff about crops. I'll change the title of the thread so it's about agriculture too.

Here, Oldest incidence of harvested rice in the world, 15,000 years old, found in Korea: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/3207552.stm

Also intellectual lounge is more appropriate for this topic than love and romance.

Haha... but livestock is about love and breeding :P