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  • Karabed
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    Turkey blames everybody but itself
    If there was an award for passing the buck and blaming others, Turkey would surely be near the top of the nominee list. It really never ceases to amaze just how often Turkey does this. These days, US President Barack Obama has been on the receiving end of Turkey’s wrath, with Ankara accusing Washington of having no strategic vision and of failing to take the necessary steps to prevent the approval of the Armenian “genocide” resolution by the US House Foreign Relations Committee last week. I sometimes wonder who is the superpower, the US or Turkey? In any case, between now and April 24, when Obama delivers his annual message, Turkey will be obsessed. It is really sad that we have to witness this scene over and over again. Turkey’s criticism has been ever harsher this year, and Ankara seems to be expecting Obama to resolve this issue once and for all. If he does not, well, as Foreign Minister Davutoğlu has threatened, strategic ties may go adrift -- meaning that Turkey will develop even closer ties with the Russians, Iranians, Africans, South Americans, etc., with Turkey possibly becoming an increasingly unreliable partner for the West. With the ambassador already recalled and State Minister Zafer Çağlayan’s visit cancelled, Turkey is really piling on the pressure. Çağlayan’s visit was supposed to develop further economic ties with the US under a model partnership framework suggested by Obama. With Prime Minister Erdoğan due to visit Washington in April, what will happen next is anybody’s guess, but I would expect once we get into May the rocky sea will calm down again.
    I don’t believe Obama can make the genocide issue disappear as Turkey requests. In fact, the genocide issue is not going to go away in the US or anywhere else, with the Swedish parliament narrowly approving a resolution last Thursday recognizing the 1915 mass killing of Armenians in Turkey as genocide and prompting the Turkish government to recall its ambassador there, too, in protest. While Foreign Minister Carl Bildt said he regretted the decision because it would serve as another blow to Turkey’s reconciliation with Armenia, the fact is that Turkey could have moved the process forward months ago but preferred not to. So now they blame the US, the Swedes and the Armenians. In fact, anybody but themselves. If Turkey believed reconciliation with Armenia would make the genocide issue go away, then they were and are fooling themselves. As long as there is an Armenian diaspora on this planet, they will continue to push everywhere they can for recognition of the genocide, no matter how many historic commissions or rapprochements there are. The genocide issue is their life’s cause.

    In addition, the Jan. 12 ruling by the Armenian Constitutional Court resulted in Turkey questioning whether Armenia remains committed to their promise to ratify the two protocols for the normalization of relations with Turkey. Perhaps Ankara would do well to take a good look in the mirror. It is Turkey more than any other entity that is responsible for the difficulty in the current reconciliation. Turkey has crippled the process by insisting on a parallel process on the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, which is clearly not going to happen any time soon. And here again Turkey blames Armenia for the lack of progress when in fact Armenia is no more to blame than Azerbaijan.

    Turkey is well aware that the process is in danger of failing and is looking everywhere it can to find others to blame. Probably it would please Ankara no end if Armenia were to announce that it was fed up with Turkey’s imposed Karabakh preconditions and withdraw its signature from the protocols -- as they have threatened to do. This would give Turkey the perfect scapegoat for the failure of the process. If I were sitting in Yerevan, I would do precisely the opposite. I would not withdraw the signature; rather, I would take the initiative and have the protocols ratified in the Armenian parliament as soon as possible.

    And of course the blame game is not simply limited to this issue; it is alive and kicking on many others, too. On Cyprus Turkey always claims to be driving forward a solution and continues to deny any wrongdoing in the past rather continuing to state that its role in the Cyprus conflict was to bring peace to the island and placing the blame elsewhere for the continued division. It is the same when it comes to the membership negotiations with the EU. Blame for the stagnation of the talks always lies at the feet of the EU. But this approach should come as no big surprise given the fact that many Turks are simply unable to accept or acknowledged that their country, and the Ottoman Empire before it, has ever behaved in a way that was less than perfect. They are unable to deal with the past and have trouble acknowledging that sometimes Turkey does make mistakes. Rather they prefer to point the finger at others.
    http://www.sundayszaman.com/sunday/y...haberno=204241
    It's a great article considering its from a turk.

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  • Haykakan
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    Originally posted by ara87 View Post
    That was hillerious man!

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  • ara87
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    Originally posted by Muhaha View Post
    ^^^^^^^ http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3uxTpyCdriY ^^^^^^^

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  • Eddo211
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    I find it very hard to believe that Erdogan is pulling this off all by himself. Even the police members used to be in the military at one point and one can assume where their true loyalty might be.

    Have you considered the possibility that the Turkish military command is no longer completely aware of what is going on within its own ranks………..especially when there is a good possibility that these documents came from a military source. I am not arguing that these documents could have been doctored against these top military officials but still, it doesn’t mean that it wasn’t from within.

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    The Kafes, or cage, plot was an alleged attempt by Turkey's secular military to destabilise the governing Justice and Development (AK) Party by provoking political and religious minorities to act against the government.
    Details of the plot emerged when Taraf, an independent Turkish newspaper, published leaked documents on the affair in December 2009.

    Below are excerpts from the documents, dated 2003 and signed by Col Levent Goktas.
    Those allegedly involved have yet to come to trial, but a decision on the matter is believed to be imminent.

    1. Preparation

    Collect names and addresses of non-Muslims in Turkey, the subscription lists of publications owned by non-Muslims, names of workers, parents and students of non-Muslim educational facilities, the foundations and places of worship of non-Muslims.

    Find out what are the significant religious dates and holidays for non-Muslims in Turkey and where their cemetaries are located.

    2. Creating Fear

    Publish the subscription list of Agos [a liberal Armenian newspaper, once edited by the murdered Hrant Dink] on fundamentalist Islamist websites.

    Make threatening phone calls and send threatening letters to the subscribers to Agos.

    Graffiti/post threatening slogans on walls in places where there is high non-Muslim foot traffic.

    3. Public support

    Publish the Agos subscription lists in the national press/get them in the news.

    Get "friendly columnists" to write about what is going on.

    Get the topic discussed on debate programmes on television. Emphasize how the AK Party is "apathetic" about what is going on.

    Increase activities and traffic on anti-AK Party websites.

    Create websites that look like they are AK Party sourced. Put religious content on them targetting Agos and religious minority media.

    4. Actions

    Bomb attacks on the islands [located off Istanbul] where large numbers of non-Muslims live.

    Bombs to be placed in the ferry terminal for the islands

    Defenders of minority rights to be assassinated.

    Percussion bombs placed in and around places like Agos' premises.

    Sensational attacks on non-Muslim cemetaries.

    Famous non-Muslim businessmen and artists to be kidnapped.

    Cars, residences and workplaces of non-Muslims to be torched.

    Bombings and arson attacks on areas of Istanbul and Izmir where non-Muslims live.

    All to be co-ordinated through the Special Plan Cell, but the blame placed on Islamic fundamentalist groups.

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  • egeli
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    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
    Very interesting, I thought all of this is just repeat of history in Turkey but this article is very convincing...............I bet that there are many high level commanders that support AKP as well on top of all this.
    Absolutely not. The AKP is the complete antithesis of the TSK. Outside of non-commissioned officers, no officer supports the AKP. Especially at higher levels. To be promoted, ideology is more important than military competence. One must fully embrace Nationalist ideology. At the highest levels, only Kemalist-nationalist ideologues are promoted.

    Military bases are often adjacent to residential areas. Ive seen kids in playgrounds talking with military sentries on duty. The TSK draws its strength from public support. This is why they are swallowing the recent incursions into their power.

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  • egeli
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    Originally posted by Eddo211 View Post
    Very interesting, I thought all of this is just repeat of history in Turkey but this article is very convincing...............I bet that there are many high level commanders that support AKP as well on top of all this.


    Egeli.
    Why would the US support an Islamist Turkey? Why is it always someone else's fault in Turkey.
    Fetullah Gulen has been living in self imposed exile in Pennsylvania for nearly a decade. Many of Obama's top aids on Muslim relations are Gulen sympathizers. America actively supported Gulen's movement to stir up Islamic sentiment against the Soviets in Central Asia. Just look at Fetullah Gulen's website, prominent American officials are often guest speakers at his foundation.

    The American government does not believe the AKP is Islamist. It is genuinely believed that they are a reforming liberal party. The American ambassador openly made a statement supporting the crackdown on the Turkish military.

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  • Eddo211
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    Very interesting, I thought all of this is just repeat of history in Turkey but this article is very convincing...............I bet that there are many high level commanders that support AKP as well on top of all this.


    Egeli.
    Why would the US support an Islamist Turkey? Why is it always someone else's fault in Turkey.

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  • KanadaHye
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    Foreign Policy: How do you feel about being named the world's top public intellectual?

    Fethullah Gülen: I have never imagined being or wished to be chosen as something important in the world. I have always tried to be a humble servant of God and a humble member of humanity. The Koran says that humanity has been created to recognize and worship God and, as a dimension of this worship, to improve the world in strict avoidance of corruption and bloodshed. It requires treating all things and beings with deep compassion. This is my philosophy, which obliges me to remain aloof from all worldly titles and ranks. However, I am not indifferent to the appreciation of kind people. [The voters were] extremely kind in naming me the world's top public intellectual, a title to which I can never see myself as entitled.

    Interview: Fethullah Gülen
    http://www.foreignpolicy.com/article...thullah_guelen



    This story is getting lot's of publicity....

    Turkish PM vows trials for conspirators

    Turkey's prime minister vowed Friday to put everyone who conspired against the country's democracy on trial, as the number of military officers charged and jailed for allegedly plotting a 2003 coup against his Islamic-based government rose to 31.

    The number includes seven admirals and four generals, and represents the largest-ever crackdown on Turkey's military, which has ousted four civilian governments since 1960.

    In a new nationwide sweep Friday, police detained 18 more officers, all but one of whom are still on active duty, television stations said.

    The officers were detained in 13 different cities and were being transferred to Istanbul, the reports said. It brings the total of officers detained this week to 67.

    'No one is untouchable': Erdogan
    The military has wielded strong influence on politics for decades but saw its powers dramatically curtailed by Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government, which took steps to put the military under civilian rule.

    "An impaired democracy is not the fate of this country," Erdogan told lawmakers at a televised meeting Friday. "No one is above the law, no one is untouchable, no one is privileged."

    The probe has fueled tensions between the government and the fiercely secular military and shaken the markets, but Erdogan has dismissed calls for early elections by opposition parties.

    Erdogan, President Abdullah Gul and military chief Gen. Ilker Basbug held a rare meeting Thursday, later issuing a joint statement seeking to ease tensions.

    "The public must be assured that matters will be handled in line with the law and everyone should act responsibly not to damage institutions," the statement said.

    On Friday morning, police escorted the last three of almost 50 high-ranking officers who were detained Monday to the court, including Gen. Cetin Dogan, the former chief of the 1st Army based in Istanbul and Gen. Engin Alan, former head of the Special Forces.

    The suspects have reportedly denied the allegations, which include plotting to blow up mosques and kill some non-Muslim figures to foment chaos and trigger a military takeover.

    http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2010/0...ests-coup.html
    Last edited by KanadaHye; 02-26-2010, 08:30 AM.

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  • Armanen
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    All signs point to Fethullah Gülen, whose shadowy Islamist movement is rapidly extending its tentacles into all aspects of Turkish political life.

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  • KanadaHye
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    Originally posted by egeli View Post
    Past military coups against the civilian government occurred because of America's active support, especially during the cold war. Now, its the reverse. The elected government coup against the military is happening only because America supports it.

    The next step on the AKP's agenda is to bring Fetullah Gulen back to Turkey. Once this happens, all hell will break lose. Tension are only increasing. The only solution is an early snap election, which should result in the AKP being forced into coalition.

    I hope secularist/Kemalist parties will learn not to rely on military coups to topple Islamist governments. There is more than enough support to force AKP into coalition. CHP especially must reform. Though, its already a rotten apple. I personally will be supporting Mustafa Sarigul's new party, "Turkiye Değişim Hareketi" (Turkey's Change Movement) His deputy mayor in Sisli, Istanbul is Armenian.

    If anyone's interested, here is the site:

    http://www.degisimhareketi.org/eng/default.asp.
    It makes sense, or else Erdogan wouldn't be able to stand so firm against U.S. and Israeli policy. It's all for show.

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