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loseyourname
01-10-2004, 12:24 PM
What do you guys think? Let us go beyond Armenians for a while. Should people of any race intermarry? Is it healthy to introduce a little additional variability into the gene pool, or should we simply attempt to remain as racially pure as is possible? Is southern California here the bane of the world with its racial homogenizing, or is it a wonderful place where people of diverse ethnic and socioeconomic backgrounds can come together and fall in love?

Anonymouse
01-10-2004, 12:29 PM
Oh gee, it sounds like we are really trying to make John Lennon's IMAGINE work here.

loseyourname
01-10-2004, 01:11 PM
I just want to talk, my friend. I am not creating anything. I get the feeling I'm the only multiracial person here, or at least the only one that posts frequently.

Anonymouse
01-10-2004, 02:02 PM
Originally posted by loseyourname I just want to talk, my friend. I am not creating anything. I get the feeling I'm the only multiracial person here, or at least the only one that posts frequently.

Well no one is "pure" really, so God knows who my great great great great great ancestor was.

In any event, you can look at Souther California both with its great things and its bad things. As the world becomes more interconnected, people will mix more and more, however I feel forced "diversity" is a dangerous thing, for those that advocate for "diversity" don't realize that the diversity they advocate essentially wipes out diversity. I don't want a world where everyone looks alike and talks alike and thinks alike, but that is more and more towards where society is headed, as that would be in accordance with the Ancient Mysteries of globalization.

TigranJamharian
01-10-2004, 02:07 PM
i definately agree with you on this anon

loseyourname
01-10-2004, 02:25 PM
Originally posted by Anonymouse Well no one is "pure" really, so God knows who my great great great great great ancestor was.

In any event, you can look at Souther California both with its great things and its bad things. As the world becomes more interconnected, people will mix more and more, however I feel forced "diversity" is a dangerous thing, for those that advocate for "diversity" don't realize that the diversity they advocate essentially wipes out diversity. I don't want a world where everyone looks alike and talks alike and thinks alike, but that is more and more towards where society is headed, as that would be in accordance with the Ancient Mysteries of globalization.

Intermarriage is not in promotion of diversity. It will eventually lead to a single race of hybridized people that are very strong genetically but all look relatively similar and have little in terms of a distinct ethnic identity. The only culture left will be geographic and differentiated as well by shared tastes.

SagGal
01-10-2004, 10:59 PM
intermarriage is not easy. it can lead to a lot of problems such as having/practicing different traditions, having a different religion, etc. its not like in the movies and it can definitely be a big deal.
just my opinion:)

loseyourname
01-10-2004, 11:06 PM
Marriage isn't easy, period. Loving someone isn't easy.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 12:38 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Intermarriage is not in promotion of diversity. It will eventually lead to a single race of hybridized people that are very strong genetically but all look relatively similar and have little in terms of a distinct ethnic identity. The only culture left will be geographic and differentiated as well by shared tastes.

So much for "diversity". Mix everyone and make them alike more and more subservient since differences mean more dissension.

Control the outcome, and you get your desired results, and that is how you control thought.

I'm sorry I don't share in your view of hybridization, which is no different than a mixed dog with little to no abilities aside from dumpster diving.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 01:14 AM
What do you mean you don't share my view? You said exactly the same thing I did. You have exactly the same view as me.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 01:20 AM
I'm not a fan of intermarriage. Races should stay separate. This is not to say that I am racist against people who do intermarry.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 01:37 AM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs I'm not a fan of intermarriage. Races should stay separate. This is not to say that I am racist against people who do intermarry.

Yes - put up some fences and cling to the past and never leave your parents' shadow.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 01:40 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Yes - put up some fences and cling to the past and never leave your parents' shadow.

Believe it or not, Armenian history has alot to do with why most Armenians stick to themselves.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 01:45 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse Believe it or not, Armenian history has alot to do with why most Armenians stick to themselves.

I specifically said that this thread is not specific to Armenians. Every ethnic slice I have in me has experienced some form of genocide or hatred, and the fact that I have more than one has not hurt me. It allows to look at things a little more objectively than anyone else here. I stick to myself, not to others who look like me.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 01:47 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Yes - put up some fences and cling to the past and never leave your parents' shadow.

You sound a little bitter there, Adam.

All of what you said are groundless assumptions.

My decision has nothing to do with clinging to the past. In fact, it has to do with the future. Sorry if I feel a bit patriotic. All day I hear Americans raving about how patriotic they are, so why can't I do the same? If I abandon my nation, then who will stick up for it? A foreigner?

Secondly, only an Armenian can understand me completely. I was not born in the States - I spent the better half of my life in Armenia, so I can't deny my love for my country, and I cannot deny the probable extinction of Armenians if the status quo remains unchanged (that Armenians begin to intermarry).

Only an Armenian speaks my mother language. Only an Armenian will be able to relate to what I have gone through.

As the Mouse said, diversity leads to the lack of it.

I don't live in my parents' shadow. They care for their daughter as one day you will too care for your child (if you decide to have any). My parents have absolutely no power over who I will end up marrying, if I ever find someone that will complete me. I hold the power of that decision - no one else.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 01:55 AM
Diversity has nothing to do with race. There is as much diversity within a race as there is without one. Diversity comes in having your own ideas. If your ideas are based largely around a national or ethnic identity, they are not truly yours, and you are taking away from potential diversity, not adding to it. My children will grow up under the shadow of nothing, and they will not be ruled by a flag or a skin color and they will not see people as Armenian and Cherokee, they will see them as Adam and Anna.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 01:58 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Diversity has nothing to do with race. There is as much diversity within a race as there is without one. Diversity comes in having your own ideas. If your ideas are based largely around a national or ethnic identity, they are not truly yours, and you are taking away from potential diversity, not adding to it. My children will grow up under the shadow of nothing, and they will not be ruled by a flag or a skin color and they will not see people as Armenian and Cherokee, they will see them as Adam and Anna.

No ones ideas are theirs missy. We've already established this, but your arrogance refuses to accept that your thoughts could have been conceived by someone a thousand years before you.

As far as diversity, we are speaking strictly with peoples diversity, not ideas.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 01:59 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse No ones ideas are theirs missy. We've already established this, but your arrogance refuses to accept that your thoughts could have been conceived by someone a thousand years before you.

As far as diversity, we are speaking strictly with peoples diversity, not ideas.

Yes, you want people to look different. You don't want them to be different.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:01 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Yes, you want people to look different. You don't want them to be different.

What?! Where did he say he doesn't want for them to be different?

When we say diversity, we mean diversity in all senses of the word, not just one aspect of it.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Yes, you want people to look different. You don't want them to be different.

Well, way to go in attributing something to me I did not say. Diversity is diversity, let's not make this elastic.

This is no different than morons saying morality is subjective.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:04 AM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs What?! Where did he say he doesn't want for them to be different?

When we say diversity, we mean diversity in all senses of the word, not just one aspect of it.

Segregation does not bring about diversity. There may exist diversity between two segregated groups, but as these groups never mix, what good does this do? Within the group, it matters little. Interracial marriage is completely unrelated to diversity. You're kidding yourself to think it actually benefits this world somehow to hold onto one flag and spit on others.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:06 AM
Adam, please calm down.

Spit on others? WE ARE NOT RACIST. WE DO NOT THINK OF OURSELVES AS BETTER THAN ANYONE ELSE. Or would you like for me to run that by you again?

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:07 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Segregation does not bring about diversity. There may exist diversity between two segregated groups, but as these groups never mix, what good does this do? Within the group, it matters little. Interracial marriage is completely unrelated to diversity. You're kidding yourself to think it actually benefits this world somehow to hold onto one flag and spit on others.

Like I said if youre lard covered brain was paying attention, "diversity" exists throughout history, and the natural interacting of peoples takes place. What is your point here?

Diversity as promoted in the United States is anything but what you describe. They describe racial and cultural diveristy, not diversity of ideas. Somehow everyone is taught to think within the rigid confines of 'accidental history' and how the State is so essential. Any diverse opinions on 911 being a product of Bush and Co., is met with insecurities and epithets. Not very diverse for some country to claim to be for diversity.

The U.S. is laying its own roots for its own demise.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:09 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse Well, way to go in attributing something to me I did not say. Diversity is diversity, let's not make this elastic.

This is no different than morons saying morality is subjective.

Exactly. Diversity is diversity. It has nothing to do with the way a person looks or the nation they call home. It lies within the differences between individuals, which is not fostered by keeping small, separated groups. It is fostered by allowing people to mix feely with whoever they should choose, to meet people that are not like them, and to learn about these people, to exchange ideas, interests, DNA base sequences, and everything that goes with it.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:10 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Exactly. Diversity is diversity. It has nothing to do with the way a person looks or the nation they call home. It lies within the differences between individuals, which is not fostered by keeping small, separated groups. It is fostered by allowing people to mix feely with whoever they should choose, to meet people that are not like them, and to learn about these people, to exchange ideas, interests, DNA base sequences, and everything that goes with it.

But currently "diversity" is forced.

The whole civil rights movement was one big forced integration, yet while some may mix, for the most part people still stay within their own respective communities.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse Like I said if youre lard covered brain was paying attention, "diversity" exists throughout history, and the natural interacting of peoples takes place. What is your point here?

Diversity as promoted in the United States is anything but what you describe. They describe racial and cultural diveristy, not diversity of ideas. Somehow everyone is taught to think within the rigid confines of 'accidental history' and how the State is so essential. Any diverse opinions on 911 being a product of Bush and Co., is met with insecurities and epithets. Not very diverse for some country to claim to be for diversity.

The U.S. is laying its own roots for its own demise.

What the xxxx does this have to do with interracial marriages? Who said I was promoting anything about the US? I will tell this for damn sure: there is far more diversity of thought here in this country than there is in any other. Take it from someone who has lived on both coasts and in the Appalachian south, and travelled everywhere inbetween.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:12 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Segregation does not bring about diversity. There may exist diversity between two segregated groups, but as these groups never mix, what good does this do? Within the group, it matters little. Interracial marriage is completely unrelated to diversity. You're kidding yourself to think it actually benefits this world somehow to hold onto one flag and spit on others.

Diversity implies heterogeneity. What you just said makes no sense to me. Yea, if I focus on one family, there won't be much diversity there (duh). I look at diversity of the world, so I don't see what you're saying. Diversity breeds culture and creativity. If everyone was similar, I'd get bored (as would most people). I'm all for diversity (not in the US sense of the word, though).

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:13 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse But currently "diversity" is forced.

The whole civil rights movement was one big forced integration, yet while some may mix, for the most part people still stay within their own respective communities.

And? Who said I wanted to force people to intermarry? You're ignoring me again, and arguing with US policy. I do not support US policy.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:16 AM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs Diversity implies heterogeneity. What you just said makes no sense to me. Yea, if I focus on one family, there won't be much diversity there (duh). I look at diversity of the world, so I don't see what you're saying. Diversity breeds culture and creativity. If everyone was similar, I'd get bored (as would most people). I'm all for diversity (not in the US sense of the word, though).

Then why keep small, insular groups? Why have an ethnic identity at all? Do you honestly not see how it is the source of so much needless strife and conflict. I am never going to bomb a school because it is full of xxxish children, nor will I ever force a tribe of natives to march 1000 miles to certain death because they aren't white enough.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:19 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Then why keep small, insular groups? Why have an ethnic identity at all? Do you honestly not see how it is the source of so much needless strife and conflict. I am never going to bomb a school because it is full of xxxish children, nor will I ever force a tribe of natives to march 1000 miles to certain death because they aren't white enough.

Adam, are you even comprehending what I'm writing? Can you stop with the assumptions, please?

EMBRACING DIVERSITY DOES NOT MAKE ONE RACIST. THOSE CRIMES THAT YOU SPEAK OF ARE ONLY DONE IN THE NAME OF RACISM.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:24 AM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs Adam, are you even comprehending what I'm writing? Can you stop with the assumptions, please?

EMBRACING DIVERSITY DOES NOT MAKE ONE RACIST. THOSE CRIMES THAT YOU SPEAK OF ARE ONLY DONE IN THE NAME OF RACISM.

They are done because people see themselves as distinct ethnic groups that need to be protected from the scrourge of other ethnic groups. Whether or not you are racist, and whether or not your children are racist, keeping small, distinct ethnic groups fosters this. Just look at the people around here. Half of them admitted to being racists. If they were the huge mix of ethnicities that I am, I can guarantee you they would not be. It's hard to be a racist when you have no race other than human.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:26 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname And? Who said I wanted to force people to intermarry? You're ignoring me again, and arguing with US policy. I do not support US policy.

I'm not ignoring you, Im addressing you exactly by stating diversity leads to a lack of diversity.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:26 AM
You are foolish to think that only an Armenian can understand you. You are more than an Armenian. You are an individual women with individual needs and desires that go beyond that of a nation, and there may very well be a man out there who connects with some very deep part of you that recognizes no ethnic constraints, and you know what? He may or not be Armenian. It makes no difference.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:28 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse I'm not ignoring you, Im addressing you exactly by stating diversity leads to a lack of diversity.

Only individualism leads to diversity. Pick a partner according to ethnicity rather than individual desire and connection, there goes your diversity.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:31 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname You are foolish to think that only an Armenian can understand you. You are more than an Armenian. You are an individual women with individual needs and desires that go beyond that of a nation, and there may very well be a man out there who connects with some very deep part of you that recognizes no ethnic constraints, and you know what? He may or not be Armenian. It makes no difference.

I highly doubt that.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs I highly doubt that.

Have you ever even been in love? How much do you really know?

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:33 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname You are foolish to think that only an Armenian can understand you. You are more than an Armenian. You are an individual women with individual needs and desires that go beyond that of a nation, and there may very well be a man out there who connects with some very deep part of you that recognizes no ethnic constraints, and you know what? He may or not be Armenian. It makes no difference.

Well obviously love ( whatever that means ), transcends race, culture, religion. Just as there might be someone outside of Armenians that may understand me, there is also someone Armenian who will, and in fact quite more in the latter. Language conveys something more than just words, so when you speak, it goes deeper into something psychic. I often find myself, when talking with Armenians, not using entire words to convey what I mean, yet they understand it. This may sound bullxxxx and superstitious since there is no evidence by my own personal awareness of this, it might be looked upon as bullxxxx. In Armenian there is a saying that "Aryoonuh joor chi darna", and the closest English translation I can give of that is that blood does not turn into water. It means that we are a product of what we were raised and born into. I do not deny what you state either, however more leaning to my explanation.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:35 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Have you ever even been in love? How much do you really know?

No, I have not, and it would be foolish of me to try and define what love is. As far as your argument goes, from my life experience, I have only been able to relate with Armenians on the spiritual level. I can't predict the future, but my stance stands.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:36 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Only individualism leads to diversity. Pick a partner according to ethnicity rather than individual desire and connection, there goes your diversity.

That is just silly, since it is an exercise of our will who we choose. And if our comfort zone is within us, we pick someone who is more similar to us, thus we seek friends and lovers who understand us, similarities, not differences. Of course we choose individuals since we can't choose the mass, that's a given. The whole "opposites attract" is silly.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:37 AM
All I can say is my parents are as ethnically distinct as two people you will ever see, and they still manage to keep the most successful marriage I have ever seen, with gorgeous, bright, and promising children who are as colorblind as any.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:38 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname All I can say is my parents are as ethnically distinct as two people you will ever see, and they still manage to keep the most successful marriage I have ever seen, with gorgeous, bright, and promising children who are as colorblind as any.

I am very happy for your parents, but don't you see that this is a matter of opinion (i.e. who we choose)?

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:39 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse That is just silly, since it is an exercise of our will who we choose. And if our comfort zone is within us, we pick someone who is more similar to us, thus we seek friends and lovers who understand us, similarities, not differences. Of course we choose individuals since we can't choose the mass, that's a given. The whole "opposites attract" is silly.

What about you, Arman? Ever been in love? It has nothing to do with ethnicity. I'm not saying don't marry an Armenian, but don't restrict yourself either. Certainly don't think that you're promoting diversity by doing so.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:40 AM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs I am very happy for your parents, but don't you see that this is a matter of opinion (i.e. who we choose)?

Exactly - it is not a matter of ethnic identity.

sSsflamesSs
01-11-2004, 02:41 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Exactly - it is not a matter of ethnic identity.

I can't help it if I relate more to people from my ethnic background.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:42 AM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs I can't help it if I relate more to people from my ethnic background.

How many people have you really gotten to know? Expand your horizon, Anna.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:45 AM
I've noticed this thing with lose, in our free will/God discussion.

It appears that his opinion is better than your opinion, since his opinion reigns supreme, yours must be wrong.

If your opinion cracks his edifice of thought, it must be made to conform to yours, thus, while he claimed he presented arguments, all he really said was "my opinion is better than your opinion" thats why the discussion draged on for the length that it did.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 02:48 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname How many people have you really gotten to know? Expand your horizon, Anna.

I grew up in L.A. Most of my friends have been non-Armenian. I was a self hating Armenian at one point. I hung out with surfer dudes and other white boys at OC. I've had Hindu, Hispanic, and Asian friends. I have thus turned around. I cannot see myself marrying someone non-"Armenian".

Choosing to marry someone of my ethnicity has nothing to do with extending boundaries. That is a silly assumption on your part, that someone chooses to marry within the confines of their own ethnicity, they must not be extending their boundaries far enough.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 02:54 AM
It's silly of you to think that this thread has anything to do with you, or even Armenians. It's scope is far broader than that, as is mine. Go ahead and keep your narrow focus.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 03:00 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname It's silly of you to think that this thread has anything to do with you, or even Armenians. It's scope is far broader than that, as is mine. Go ahead and keep your narrow focus.

I never said it has anything to do with Armenians, I was referring to my personal opinion, and flames' as well.

Why do you constantly assume things? Wow, so since I choose to marry someone Armenian, I am narrow. How typical. Jealous?

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 03:02 AM
So when egalitarianism shoves down my throat every social idiocy from homosexuality, to feminism, to God knows what, I am supposed to bask in them and celebrate my diversity and being "cultured"?

That means I must be one narrow uncultured xxxx eh? I guess so.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 03:07 AM
Arman, that isn't what I'm saying. I have nothing against you marrying an Armenian. The whole point of this thread, or at least my posts in it, is to say that interracial marriage is a healthy thing. If it isn't for you, then so be it. I'm not trying to make your decisions for you, and I wouldn't want to. I want you to be as happy as I want anyone to be, and by all means, if that happiness is to be found only with another Armenian, marry an Armenian. I take no issue with your personal decision, as it is yours.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 03:14 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Arman, that isn't what I'm saying. I have nothing against you marrying an Armenian. The whole point of this thread, or at least my posts in it, is to say that interracial marriage is a healthy thing. If it isn't for you, then so be it. I'm not trying to make your decisions for you, and I wouldn't want to. I want you to be as happy as I want anyone to be, and by all means, if that happiness is to be found only with another Armenian, marry an Armenian. I take no issue with your personal decision, as it is yours.

Stop calling my by my name Adam's apple.

Imagine a world - Titania.

In Titania, there are 3 peoples, the Bors, the Tors, the Zors.

The Bors are the most population occupying about 50% of Titania. The Tors occupy about 30%, while the Zors about 20%.

The Tors start to emigrate into the land of Zors. The Zors start promoting diversity and intermarriage, forcing it, much like modern egalitarianism. In 100 years, the Tors, being faster breeders, managed to mix in and out breed the Zors, replace the Zors. The Zors no longer exist and what was once 'diversity' is now no more.

If you follow the logical implications of the said diversity, it leads to no diversity. The world is diverse, but can you imagine a world without diveristy? That wouldn't be a healthy in my opinion.

By the way, this isn't to say Armenians are pure either, since they themselves have had mixtures.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 03:19 AM
Now imagine the planet earth. Hell, imagine me. I'm a mix of so many different things, and I have excellent genes. I'm good-looking, I'm intelligent, I'm fairly athletic when I take care of myself, I have strong bones and teeth, and I will breed excellently. If I am a threat to you, I apologize profusely.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 03:20 AM
Furthermore, I am nothing like anybody else in my family, though I look a lot like them. That's diversity.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 03:21 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Now imagine the planet earth. Hell, imagine me. I'm a mix of so many different things, and I have excellent genes. I'm good-looking, I'm intelligent, I'm fairly athletic when I take care of myself, I have strong bones and teeth, and I will breed excellently. If I am a threat to you, I apologize profusely.

Apparently, not very modest.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 03:23 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse Apparently, not very modest.

Neither are you, and you know what? I like you for it. You shouldn't be modest.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 03:27 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname Neither are you, and you know what? I like you for it. You shouldn't be modest.

Actually, I am modest, it's just on the forums, theres this thing called a gimmick.

By the way, here are some examples of diversity. My professor is half Hungarian half Chinese. He's a Hung Chin.

A German guy with herpies and a Polish woman with genital warts would procreate to make a Germ-Poll baby boy.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 03:31 AM
What can I say? There's no gimmick with me. I am who I am, on or off of this damn site.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 03:32 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse Actually, I am modest, it's just on the forums, theres this thing called a gimmick.


If only they had jobs for internet actors.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 03:36 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname If only they had jobs for internet actors.

You take the internet way too seriously, much like surferarmo did.

loseyourname
01-11-2004, 03:37 AM
I take everything way too seriously, except serious stuff, like sleep.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 03:39 AM
Originally posted by loseyourname I take everything way too seriously, except serious stuff, like sleep.

I hope the Leprechaun snatches you in your sleep.

Aphrodit3
01-11-2004, 08:16 PM
As much as I hate the thought of our culture being on the verge of extinction, I would not have any problems with marrying a Non-Armenian. If this does happen, I'll do my best to teach my children their heritage, keep the language going and have frequent visits to Armenia.

Diversity and hybridization are inevitable at this point. I think the only thing we can do is teach our children to be well-rounded in order to maintain some individuality and avoid falling into the mush in the blender. I can't imagine what LA is going to look like in 100 years. Personally, I'll do my best to fulfill my parental and cultural obligations but that's not going to guarantee that my kids will be successful and it's not going to suddenly overpopulate Armenia.

My kids will be Armenian regardless of who I marry.

Anonymouse
01-11-2004, 08:29 PM
Originally posted by Aphrodit3 As much as I hate the thought of our culture being on the verge of extinction, I would not have any problems with marrying a Non-Armenian. If this does happen, I'll do my best to teach my children their heritage, keep the language going and have frequent visits to Armenia.

Diversity and hybridization are inevitable at this point. I think the only thing we can do is teach our children to be well-rounded in order to maintain some individuality and avoid falling into the mush in the blender. I can't imagine what LA is going to look like in 100 years. Personally, I'll do my best to fulfill my parental and cultural obligations but that's not going to guarantee that my kids will be successful and it's not going to suddenly overpopulate Armenia.

My kids will be Armenian regardless of who I marry.

It's not always that the other side is as flexible and willing to adopt or familiarize with your culture since he is in possession of his own.

But what the heck, it's your life.

xBaron Dants
01-12-2004, 10:00 PM
Originally posted by sSsflamesSs
Secondly, only an Armenian can understand me completely. I was not born in the States - I spent the better half of my life in Armenia, so I can't deny my love for my country, and I cannot deny the probable extinction of Armenians if the status quo remains unchanged (that Armenians begin to intermarry).

Only an Armenian speaks my mother language. Only an Armenian will be able to relate to what I have gone through.



I think being an immigrant allows us to understand all of this. When you do arrive in a new country, and you notice everyone else's ignorance (and even disinterest) towards your culture, you get a feeling that you can only truly relate to people of your own background. Might be harder to understand for you (loseyourname) as you seem to be born in America, but it is something I feel deeply.

This is not to say that I've never been close to anyone who isn't armenian. Of course not. But it's not the same.

And personally, I like diversity. I like the fact that if I take a trip to the Czech Republic, I'll see things that are distinctly Czech. I like the fact that I will need a translation book as I'm walking around Prague. I also love the fact that a foreigner walking around in Yerevan will also need a translation book.

Just a question, out of curiosity: what language do you speak at home?

loseyourname
01-13-2004, 01:47 PM
Originally posted by Anonymouse It's not always that the other side is as flexible and willing to adopt or familiarize with your culture since he is in possession of his own.

Then you find someone who is. You'd be amazed at how many people there are out there.

spiral
01-14-2004, 08:13 PM
I was watching my cousin's wedding video, and I was thinking to myself.

menk laaaaaaaaaaaavnenk eli.

Screw the others!

Anonymouse
01-14-2004, 09:33 PM
Originally posted by loseyourname Then you find someone who is. You'd be amazed at how many people there are out there.

Well, like I said, I'll go with what I know.

At the same time, I don't impose myself on others' choice. Everyone is free to go about as they please, and marry whom thye wanna xxxxing marry, now let's kill this infernal thread already.

PASAMONSTER
01-15-2004, 02:59 AM
inter racial marriages?

hey why not the world needs more mutts running around.

loseyourname
01-15-2004, 10:44 AM
Originally posted by Anonymouse Well, like I said, I'll go with what I know.

Then stay in your comfort zone. Live in your box, and call people like me, willing to actually take a risk every now and then, stupid.

Anonymouse
01-15-2004, 10:25 PM
Originally posted by loseyourname Then stay in your comfort zone. Live in your box, and call people like me, willing to actually take a risk every now and then, stupid.

Do you somehow feel offended by my personal choice?

Gee, the same egalitarians that "cry" for tolerance, are the very ones to be insecure towards those that are "different" than they.

Sound familiar?

loseyourname
01-16-2004, 03:15 PM
When have I ever preached tolerance?