No exception on Israeli settlement: Clinton

[ara87]

US Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has said there must be no exceptions to President Barack Obama's demand that Israel stop its settlement activity.

Correspondents say it is the first time in years that US officials have been so vocal in calling for a settlement freeze in the Palestinian territories.

The comments come hours before Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas is to meet Mr Obama at the White House.

Israel's PM has defied US demands, saying some settlements can expand.

'Very clear'

Speaking to reporters after a meeting with her Egyptian counterpart, Mrs Clinton said that the president was "very clear" with Benjamin Netanyahu at their recent meeting that there should be a stop to all settlements.

"Not some settlements, not outposts, not natural growth exceptions. We think it is in the best interest of the effort that we are engaged in that settlement expansion cease," Mrs Clinton said.

The Israelis describe construction inside existing settlements as natural growth. Mr Netanyahu has said that this will continue .

Outposts are small settlements, sometimes with only a few people, often built without government authorisation.

The Obama administration's statements on settlements will be welcomed by the Palestinians, but it is expected to cause growing friction with Israel, the BBC's Kim Ghattas reports from Washington.

The Palestinian Authority says it has ruled out restarting peace talks with Israel unless it removes all roadblocks and freezes settlement activity in the occupied West Bank.

President Abbas is expected to reiterate the conditions during talks at the White House with Mr Obama.

Some 500,000 xxxs live in more than 100 settlements built since Israel's 1967 occupation of the West Bank and Arab East Jerusalem.

Under the US-backed 2003 roadmap peace plan, Israel is obliged to end all settlement activity, specifically including natural growth.

The plan also required the Palestinian Authority to crack down on militants who seek to attack Israelis.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/8071234.stm

[Mos]

eh, whatever. I support Palestinians. I just wish Israel supported us militarily because muslim countries definitely not (support for Azeris).

[hipeter924]

I don't support the Palestinians particularly, I used to but one thing stopped that. That was that every time a Palestinian fires a rocket, or attempts to retaliate or stop Israeli's building settlements the nationalists in Israel get more power. In summary the Palestinians are their own worse enemy because they will use more and more violence towards Israel and Israel will respond by using even greater violence.

In the end the Palestinians will lose all their territory and Israel will be whole...without the Palestinians of course. If the Palestinians stopped violence then the left wing Israeli's could help the Palestinians and listen to their frustrations and the ultra nationalism in the Israeli govt would be weakened.

Unfortunately Palestinians want their land and the only way they see it is through blood, a pointless move however since Israel can more than easily handle a few badly manufactured rockets, and cheap old guns. As a pacifist I think that the Palestinians are in the wrong, if they think they can only maintain a crumbling dislocated state and resist Israeli's through bloodshed and grouping their rocket sites in heavily populated areas to cause the most deaths of their people in Israeli air strikes. Palestinians deserve what is coming to them if they think violence and death is the only way to survive.

I admit I feel sorry for the Palestinians though. But they will not achieve anything. They just think Israel will cease to exist and keep hoping. But that day will never come. Because Israel has nuclear weapons and a powerful military, the Arab states and the Palestinians do not.

As for Israel I think one day it will stop supporting Turkey, it will just take time, after all the Israeli's don't like their Arab neighbours and the tensions are starting to mount in Turkey as the Turks have shown their true "I hate Israel" colours. It's no longer will Israel stop supporting Turkey? But when.

[Eddo211]

I don't support the Palestinians particularly, I used to but one thing stopped that. That was that every time a Palestinian fires a rocket, or attempts to retaliate or stop Israeli's building settlements the nationalists in Israel get more power. In summary the Palestinians are their own worse enemy because they will use more and more violence towards Israel and Israel will respond by using even greater violence.

In the end the Palestinians will lose all their territory and Israel will be whole...without the Palestinians of course. If the Palestinians stopped violence then the left wing Israeli's could help the Palestinians and listen to their frustrations and the ultra nationalism in the Israeli govt would be weakened.

Unfortunately Palestinians want their land and the only way they see it is through blood, a pointless move however since Israel can more than easily handle a few badly manufactured rockets, and cheap old guns. As a pacifist I think that the Palestinians are in the wrong, if they think they can only maintain a crumbling dislocated state and resist Israeli's through bloodshed and grouping their rocket sites in heavily populated areas to cause the most deaths of their people in Israeli air strikes. Palestinians deserve what is coming to them if they think violence and death is the only way to survive.

I admit I feel sorry for the Palestinians though. But they will not achieve anything. They just think Israel will cease to exist and keep hoping. But that day will never come. Because Israel has nuclear weapons and a powerful military, the Arab states and the Palestinians do not.

As for Israel I think one day it will stop supporting Turkey, it will just take time, after all the Israeli's don't like their Arab neighbours and the tensions are starting to mount in Turkey as the Turks have shown their true "I hate Israel" colours. It's no longer will Israel stop supporting Turkey? But when.

I agree...............Palestinians never miss an opportunity to miss an opportunity.

[Lucin]

I don't support the Palestinians particularly, I used to but one thing stopped that. That was that every time a Palestinian fires a rocket, or attempts to retaliate or stop Israeli's building settlements the nationalists in Israel get more power. In summary the Palestinians are their own worse enemy because they will use more and more violence towards Israel and Israel will respond by using even greater violence.

In the end the Palestinians will lose all their territory and Israel will be whole...without the Palestinians of course. If the Palestinians stopped violence then the left wing Israeli's could help the Palestinians and listen to their frustrations and the ultra nationalism in the Israeli govt would be weakened.


You are too naïve if you think Israel will stop his genocidal destruction of Palestine under any circumstances . It can't be called "violence" compared to what they go through... would you stand still if you were being harassed, threatened, robbed and persecuted on a daily basis in your own home?
They just have NO other choice.

[Gavur]

I love Joowish people ,but I hate the idea of Israel, which for the sake of creating it people of many races has been Genocided.

[KanadaHye]

You are too naïve if you think Israel will stop his genocidal destruction of Palestine under any circumstances . It can't be called "violence" compared to what they go through... would you stand still if you were being harassed, threatened, robbed and persecuted on a daily basis in your own home?
They just have NO other choice.

The Palestinians are in a concentration camp... I wouldn't exactly call the Gaza strip a vast and fertile piece of land. Their only way out of a lifetime of prison is to destroy their oppressors. The Israeli government does not value human life aside from their own. 80% of all Israeli land belongs to the government and any Arabs living in Israel are second class citizens. Israel is far from a "democracy" and their human rights record is a joke. Palestinians have NO other choice... for them it's kill or be killed.

[Lucin]

I love Joowish people ,but I hate the idea of Israel, which for the sake of creating it people of many races has been Genocided.

I do not necessarily hate an average xxx, that would be silly but I definitely do not like them as a nation nor do I as an Armenian feel any affinites towards their people...

The Palestinians are in a concentration camp... I wouldn't exactly call the Gaza strip a vast and fertile piece of land. Their only way out of a lifetime of prison is to destroy their oppressors. The Israeli government does not value human life aside from their own. 80% of all Israeli land belongs to the government and any Arabs living in Israel are second class citizens. Israel is far from a "democracy" and their human rights record is a joke. Palestinians have NO other choice... for them it's kill or be killed.

KanadaHye, you are such a vile and libelous anti-Semitic scum! :crying: :p

[KanadaHye]

I do not necessarily hate an average xxx, that would be silly but I definitely do not like them as a nation nor do I as an Armenian feel any affinites towards their people...



KanadaHye, you are such a vile and libelous anti-Semitic scum! :crying: :p

:laugh: Arabs are Semetic too... Judaism isn't a race. Israel isn't a country, it's a terrorist training camp. What can I say... I call em like I see them :naughty:

[Eddo211]

Our Muslim friends

By Obadiah Shoher

Hamas is Israel’s best hope. The Islamic group stands as the bastion protecting J.ews from the perils of peace process. Where the treacherous Israeli government is cowed down by the American-Saudi alliance, Hamas stands tall incidentally protecting Israelis from national suicide. Israeli politicians, J.ewish barons of the Diaspora, and their foreign friends are ready to squeeze Israel into an 8-mile-wide strip. Hamas rejects that suicide on the part of J.ews. It doesn’t matter that saving the J.ews is only a collateral product of the Hamas’ Islamic policies. The current J.ewish interests are best served by Hamas policies. Served at a very low cost, too. Rocket attacks on Sderot greatly diminished after Hamas took power in Gaza. Hamas cannot rein in the fellow Islamic fighters from Izzadin Kassam Brigades. Hamas-Kassam relationship mirrors the Muslim Brotherhood-Hamas relationship.

Hamas was too militant for the Brotherhood, while Kassam is too militant for Hamas. But for ideological reasons, no party can dissociate from another. That’s an Arab variety of the American “our scoundrels” policy. Hamas supports Kassam Brigades as “our scoundrel” against the Fatah scoundrels such as the Dughmushes. Hamas, moreover, honestly attempted to end the rocket attacks on Israel, and pressed PIJ and PRC as much as it could; Fatah never tried that much. Hamas offered Israel long-term truce. Being an honest Islamic organization, Hamas cannot sign peace with a non-Muslim state on the ostensibly Palestinian land. The insistence on truce only testifies to Hamas’ honesty and dignity: according to Islamic law, Hamas can deceive its enemy even with peace offer, but it doesn’t. In practice, long-term truce is no different from peace: no sane person doubts that Israeli-Egyptian peace treaty is really a truce. Given the recurrence of wars, historically most peace agreements appear to be truces. Hamas can guarantee Israel a decent security during the truce. Even now, during the extreme hostility between Israel and Gaza, Hamas behaves prudently and doesn’t escalate the conflict.

Hamas doesn’t fear Israeli invasion of Gaza. Such an invasion would benefit Hamas by allowing it to present itself as a capable guerrilla organization rather than inept statesmen. Hamas negotiated with Israel reasonably: for example, offered Israel to guarantee security at the crossings so that Israel can open them. Fatah, by the contrast, heaped unrealistic demands such as dismantling all checkpoints and releasing all security prisoners without a trace of reciprocity. At the bottom line, Hamas are the honest and decent Muslims, while Fatah is a band of thugs. Hamas is a painstakingly homebred organization, developed from grassroots, unlike Fatah – conceived in Cairo, bred in Jordan, brought from Tunis and built into the top gang by Israel. Jordan erred with Fatah and evicted it in the Black September when bitten by the Palestinian guerrillas, and Israel grew similarly disenchanted with Arafat who finally refused peace – apparently moved by Israeli oligarchs and the establishment figures who have great economic and political interest in continuing the occupation. Instead of abandoning the Fatah, Israel decided recycling it. But Abbas proved no more a puppet than Arafat. Both eventually adopted nationalist rhetoric and refused concessions to Israel. Unlike Hamas’ Haniyeh, Abbas cannot deliver on his promises and failed to deliver any security improvement in the West Bank even while enjoying tremendous Israeli assistance.

Two types of religious movements evolve into military force: truly mad fanatics and/or militants who are incidentally religious. Ayatollahs fall in the first category, Taliban – the second. Hamas occupies the unsustainable middle ground. It is a moderate Islamic organization which only looks radical to Israeli atheist analysts and secular Fatah gangsters. Unlike Taliban, Hamas lacks long-term military experience. Hamas’ security achievements in Gaza are therefore disappointing. Hamas predictably failed on economic issues – who can expect economic genius from Islamic guys? - and nothing less than a genius can help Gaza’s economy. Hamas, however, had a slight chance of imposing order on Gaza – and failed. Hamas initially cleansed Gaza’s streets from unorganized violence and arranged truce with Gaza’s organized criminal groups, most notably the Dughmushes. But Hamas seems incapable of sweeping security measures such as required to end Fatah’s insurrection in Gaza. Assisted by Israel, Fatah is posed to engage Hamas in terrorist war – with car bombings, rocket attacks, shootings, and peaceful protests. It took Arafat an immense security apparatus to subdue rival factions. Hamas is less brutal and artful than Arafat, and refrains from mass arrests and assassinations. But nothing less would preserve its power. Common Gazans voted for Hamas as an alternative to thuggish Fatah; failure to deliver will turn them away from Hamas. Gazans now perceive Fatah as Israeli proxy capable of opening the borders, re-enabling the massive aid flow, and possibly even giving them back the Israeli jobs they lost after the outbreak of the Second Intifada.

Hamas is too soft to impose its power on Gazans. Elections will allow Hamas to end the impasse created by its takeover of Gaza while saving face: it would step down according to the wishes of Gaza’s people, not Fatah’s. It is unlikely that Israel would end her support for Fatah or economic repressions against Gaza. Unless Hamas miraculously radicalize, it will lose the power. And Israel will lose the real peace partner.

http://samsonblinded.org/blog/our-muslim-friends.htm

[KanadaHye]

Netanyahu urges Arab states to normalize ties with Israel

Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu said Wednesday he's willing to take "concrete steps" to make peace with the Palestinians, and urged Arab countries to normalize ties with Israel.

"We are prepared to take, and we will take, concrete steps toward peace with the Palestinians. We also expect the Palestinians to take concrete steps," Netanyahu said during debate in the Knesset, Israel's parliament.

"And it would be good if Arab countries joined the peace effort and made concrete and symbolic steps toward normalization with Israel, not later, but now."

The Israeli prime minister's comments come on the eve of a meeting between U.S. President Barack Obama and Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas at the White House.

Abbas, who met with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Tuesday, is expected to urge Obama to press Israel to clamp down on construction in xxxish settlements, Reuters news agency reported.

Obama has made clear that his administration supports the creation of a Palestinian state, and U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton has called for a complete halt to construction in West Bank settlements.


Needed for 'natural growth'
Netanyahu appears to be at odds with the U.S. president by not directly endorsing the creation of a Palestinian state and saying settlement construction is necessary to support the population's "natural growth."

During a May 18 meeting with Obama, Netanyahu said he was willing to restart peace negotiations with the Palestinians.

The Israeli prime minister has called on the Palestinians to honour the commitments of the 2003 roadmap to peace, including cracking down on militants who shoot rockets and suicide bombers into Israel.

However, that demand has been complicated by the fact that Hamas, the rival to Abbas's Fatah faction, took over control of the Gaza Strip in 2007.

"We want an end to the conflict and we want reciprocity in the demands made of both sides, and in carrying them out," Netanyahu said Wednesday.

He mentioned possible co-operation with the Palestinians on economic and agricultural projects.

Netanyahu also said Obama agrees with Israel that the Iranian nuclear threat could create an opportunity to bring together moderate Arab nations.

Israel considers Iran a serious danger because of its nuclear program, development of long-range missiles and frequent references by its president, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, to Israel's destruction.

Israel dismisses Iran's insistence that its nuclear program is peaceful, charging that the Iranians are building nuclear weapons.

http://www.cbc.ca/world/story/2009/05/27/netanyahu-israel-arab-palestinians027.html

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"Abbas, who met with Canadian Prime Minister Stephen Harper on Tuesday, is expected to urge Obama to press Israel to clamp down on construction in xxxish settlements, Reuters news agency reported"

Isn't it great how the "free press" knows what "leaders" are going to say or do before they say or do them :D Since when did the Canadian Prime Minister urge the American President to do anything, lol.

[Eddo211]

The only way Israel can stop the expansion and construction of j-ewish settlements is through extreme military force.............never mind vacating the land.

That has been tried before with bad results.
Most Israelis don’t know how to stop these religious j.ews who don't even serve in the military and curse them.

[hipeter924]

The Palestinians are in a concentration camp... I wouldn't exactly call the Gaza strip a vast and fertile piece of land. Their only way out of a lifetime of prison is to destroy their oppressors. The Israeli government does not value human life aside from their own. 80% of all Israeli land belongs to the government and any Arabs living in Israel are second class citizens. Israel is far from a "democracy" and their human rights record is a joke. Palestinians have NO other choice... for them it's kill or be killed.

They have a choice really. The Palestinians can fight Israel and ensure their total removal from Israel and the destruction of all their hopes and dreams, or the can put down their weapons and negotiate with Israeli leftists. If the Palestinans want to commit suicide its up to them, but Israeli's won't be paying much in blood for it (the stats prove that), nor do they give a damn about Palestinians killing themselves, they are 'just terrorists' after all, and that is how Israeli's see it.

Regardless if the Palestinians attack Israel they are screwed, the only way is to lay down their weapons, act peaceful and try to negotiate a solution.

But I doubt Palestinians have a choice, except that of becoming Israeli citizens, because if you look at a map a Palestinian state is impossible, Palestinians are dispersed and broken up by Israeli settlements that it just can't be done.

[Gavur]

Palastinians are in "the accursed valley Ge-hinnom"
http://www.xxxishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=116&letter=G

[hipeter924]

Palastinians are in "the accursed valley Ge-hinnom"
http://www.xxxishencyclopedia.com/view.jsp?artid=116&letter=G

:laugh: