Getting down to the final

[jilbagh]

candidates... who do you or would you support?

Sen. John Edwards
Sen. John Kerry
Gen. Wesley Clark
Sen. Joe Lieberman
Gov. Howard Dean

btw...The only candidate gone on record about Armenian issues is Sen. Edwards

[loseyourname]

I didn't vote because I support none of these men, but I'd like to note that Wesley Clark's campaign manager is an Armenian and the brother of one of our forumers.

[Shahumyan]

can someone say what each one stands for and what type of policies they stand for?

[loseyourname]

They're all democrats, and the difference between them is pretty miniscule. Dean is the hardliner who emerged as an early frontrunner in polls, but I believe both Kerry and Edwards finished ahead of him in the Iowa caucus, which is an outdated and anticonstitutional method of gauging a candidate's viability before the start of primaries. Why do you care anyway? You're not American.

[jilbagh]

www.johnkerry.com
www.deanforamerica.com
www.johnedwards2004.com
www.americansforclark.com

those are the only ones that matter right now...

they're all viable candidates that can help take america back away from the special interests and corporations in the white house and give it back to the people..

one of my fav quotes is from Sen. John Kerry that he aimed at Bush and his elite

"We're coming. You're going. And don't let the door hit you on the way out."

[jilbagh]

Originally posted by loseyourname I didn't vote because I support none of these men, but I'd like to note that Wesley Clark's campaign manager is an Armenian and the brother of one of our forumers.

does that mean if Gen. Clark is elected, he will promise and follow through his promise to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide?

This may be the election where we may have a candidate that may actaully do it. Sen. Kerry and Edwards have been vocal on this issue, and with you informing me that Gen. Clark's Campaign Mgr. is Armenian...i'd like to hear him address the Armenian issues, (sect. 907, genocide recognition, foriegn aid)

[jilbagh]

Originally posted by loseyourname I didn't vote because I support none of these men, but I'd like to note that Wesley Clark's campaign manager is an Armenian and the brother of one of our forumers.

I didn't know Paul Johnson or Eli Segal were Armenian

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by jilbagh I didn't know Paul Johnson or Eli Segal were Armenian

Send a pm to ckBejug. She told me her brother was running his campaign, but I have no idea what the guy's name is.

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by jilbagh

those are the only ones that matter right now...

they're all viable candidates that can help take america back away from the special interests and corporations in the white house and give it back to the people..

one of my fav quotes is from Sen. John Kerry that he aimed at Bush and his elite

"We're coming. You're going. And don't let the door hit you on the way out."

After yesterday, this is really Kerry's to lose. Dean is the only guy even close. I suppose Edwards and Clark should have a stronger showing in the south. We'll see.

[jilbagh]

Originally posted by loseyourname After yesterday, this is really Kerry's to lose. Dean is the only guy even close. I suppose Edwards and Clark should have a stronger showing in the south. We'll see.

yeah, Edwards is leading in S. Carolina. With all the buzz, they're talking about a Kerry/Edwards ticket for 2004. But its wayyyy to early, we've only dealt with the New Engeland states...like you said, there's the Feb 3rd southern states (7 of them i believe) and then the March Primarys that include California...By Feb the race should be down to 4, and by the end of the March primary we should be down to 2 candidate...

but if Clark doesn't make it (even for VP), he'd make a hell of a Secretary of State!!! and we'd actually have a foriegn policy that we'd stick by!!!

"Impeach BUSH!!!!"

[loseyourname]

Originally posted by loseyourname Send a pm to ckBejug. She told me her brother was running his campaign, but I have no idea what the guy's name is.

George Kivork is his name.

[ckBejug]

Originally posted by jilbagh I didn't know Paul Johnson or Eli Segal were Armenian

Neither Paul nor Eli are Armenian. One of Clark's bigger campaign financiers is Armenian as far as I know. My brother is Armenian (obviously) and he's running things in Michigan.....

Originally posted by jilbagh does that mean if Gen. Clark is elected, he will promise and follow through his promise to officially recognize the Armenian Genocide?

This may be the election where we may have a candidate that may actaully do it. Sen. Kerry and Edwards have been vocal on this issue, and with you informing me that Gen. Clark's Campaign Mgr. is Armenian...i'd like to hear him address the Armenian issues, (sect. 907, genocide recognition, foriegn aid)

No, that means if Clark wins he'll actually follow through on his promise (not just promise to follow through). I don't know any of this politics lingo but from what I remember my brother wrote Clark's armenian genocide platform (is that what it's called?). I asked him to send me a copy of the speech he wrote with Clark, he's going to send it to me tomorrow. The speech, along with other correspondence from the General, has been sent to Asbarez. However, those dang Bush lovers at Asbarez completely flubbed the whole thing and have made it look like Clark has not taken any stand whatsoever on the issue, which I know to be completely false. Asbarez has since written a retraction but the damage was done, right? Personally I'd favor any Democrat to be in office over Bush. All of the candidates have mentioned something about the genocide, but I think Clark would actually do a kick ass job following through. I'm not just saying that because I'm biased. =)

[jilbagh]

Originally posted by ckBejug Neither Paul nor Eli are Armenian. One of Clark's bigger campaign financiers is Armenian as far as I know. My brother is Armenian (obviously) and he's running things in Michigan.....



No, that means if Clark wins he'll actually follow through on his promise (not just promise to follow through). I don't know any of this politics lingo but from what I remember my brother wrote Clark's armenian genocide platform (is that what it's called?). I asked him to send me a copy of the speech he wrote with Clark, he's going to send it to me tomorrow. The speech, along with other correspondence from the General, has been sent to Asbarez. However, those dang Bush lovers at Asbarez completely flubbed the whole thing and have made it look like Clark has not taken any stand whatsoever on the issue, which I know to be completely false. Asbarez has since written a retraction but the damage was done, right? Personally I'd favor any Democrat to be in office over Bush. All of the candidates have mentioned something about the genocide, but I think Clark would actually do a kick ass job following through. I'm not just saying that because I'm biased. =)

ya Asbarez needs to wake their asses up and stop being blind. After Bush declaring Armenian a terrorist state, declining foriegn aid, not following through on HIS genocide promise...that paper needs to be totally rejuved and struck with some reality....can u email me the transcript when u get your hands on it? Clark is one of my favorites

[TigranJamharian]

Clark looks Armenian. Hes my favorite right after Kerry.
Kerry is one of 5 Senators that sent a letter to bush urging him to urge erdrogan to open the border. And he has made it clear that he supports recognition of the Genocide.

[ckBejug]

:( So Clark is out. Do you guys think Kerry can beat Bush? So I was reading something about the exit polls they did, and people were asked if they voted for Kerry because the agreed with him on major issues or is they voted for him because they thought he could beat Bush in Novenmber... A majority of the voters said it was because they thought he could beat Bush. I guess that means when it comes time for voting in November, they are going to vote for the guy they agree with on the issues... right?? Which means they probably wont vote for Kerry??
:confused:

[Shahumyan]

i saw at a Kerry speach that there was this campaign placard reading "Armenians for Kerry", has Kerry done anything in particular to get this placard, or is it simply as most placards in these situations are, a campaign managed written placard to get Armo votes?

[TigranJamharian]

Originally posted by TigranJamharian Clark looks Armenian. Hes my favorite right after Kerry.
Kerry is one of 5 Senators that sent a letter to bush urging him to urge erdrogan to open the border. And he has made it clear that he supports recognition of the Genocide.

i didnt know you had alzheimers shahumyan

[Anonymouse]

Yea, how many presidents talk of "supporting the Genocide" yet back down. Come on politics is politics. It's for votes and the stupid masses go for it.

Kerry will be elected, or Bush. Both are a member of the Skull and Bones fraternity. The differences are external, designed to give people a false reality, and deceive.

Republicans borrow and add on to the debt, Democrats tax and add on to the debt.

[Shahumyan]

Originally posted by TigranJamharian i didnt know you had alzheimers shahumyan

why the xxxx would i have alzheimers?

you could have just pointed out that the reason for the placard is such and such. I dont even think they are good enough reasons, so i thought there must be other reasons to, since every xxxxer seems to say they accept the genocide, and since when was opening bordeers going to help Armenia, the market would be flooded with turkish goods and armenian companies would go tits up

[Anonymouse]

Originally posted by Shahumyan why the xxxx would i have alzheimers?

you could have just pointed out that the reason for the placard is such and such. I dont even think they are good enough reasons, so i thought there must be other reasons to, since every xxxxer seems to say they accept the genocide, and since when was opening bordeers going to help Armenia, the market would be flooded with turkish goods and armenian companies would go tits up

But that would improve the condition of life. Since antiquity civilizations have been based on "trade" and the whole concept of the "city" was based on this. You Marxists never figured it out did you?

Historical materialism assumes that all history is a class conflict through hindsight. Anyone can look at history through hindsight and construct a formula and say "This is what history is". Hitler did it too, instead of "class" he substituted "race". Either way, ideas have consequences and we saw what Marx' ideas did.

[TigranJamharian]

if any of them is going to do it kerry will.

#1 turkish goods arent so much cheaper than armenian goods. therefore this problem can be easily taken care of with even modest tariffs.

by the way you dont see the US's economy struggling do you? they have mexico right next to them and mexican goods cost a lot less than us goods.

the benefits of an open border far far outweigh the drawbacks.

by the way i would like to point out to you that your stance on the issue is shared by the dashnaks.

I agree with these guys on almost everything but this.

[xBaron Dants]

Originally posted by TigranJamharian

by the way i would like to point out to you that your stance on the issue is shared by the dashnaks.

I agree with these guys on almost everything but this.

haha, you saw that irony too eh?

I am for the opening of economic relations, but it has to go under huuuuuuge scrutiny before it's set in place. I would hate for turkish products to be taking over the market in areas which were previously filled with armenian goods.

Speaking of Armenia's economy, the exports of Armenia used to total a bit less than a third of the imports. This year, the exports amounted to slightly higher than half the imports. Very good sign of a trend that I hope will continue.