The Armenian Empire

[Shiva]

So who thinks we should strike out and take Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iran and create a new Empire?

:wave:

[Anonymouse]

Phuck empires, and this thread.

[garegin]

we cant
"brave" marines (as turkey's allies) would phuck yerevan is a kickass blitz.
and i dont want that. i dont want getting phucked by my enemies. look at germany, they wanted to take their rightful land, but the allies decimeated it and took away even more land. millions of germans were slaughtered by advancing russian armies. it was a mass population displacement. now if we try to do that, turkey may once again commit genocide and call it an "act of self defense".

[Hayq]

in a sense, yeah we are in a situation like the germans. I say we take out the nations who are not protected by an umbrella; Georgia and Azerbaijan. We can create a republic there. 72,000sq miles of land that can give us a wide vareity of crops from lemmons, oranges, apricots, corn, tomatoes, and room for sooo much livestock. 5mln xxxs in Israel live off of 5.000sqmiles. 10mln Belgians live off of 12,000sqmi of land. Stats like that mean 60million armenians can live in that land and still ahve PLENTY to eat. Not only that, we hve our own oil and limited access to the sea to provide us with trade yet not too big to give us a security gap! it is the perfect land! mountains, rivers, lakes and deserts!

eh, im getting carried away...but that is the way i pictured armenia...

[garegin]

BTW, im gonna join the marines
if america helps azerbaijan ill be on top of a tank, phucking insurgents :cool:

Stg. Asatryan, I want to attack the kocharian's palace..
I cant, my machine gun crew is very small.
ok, guyz, i got the american flag. lets lower the armenian flag and put our flag.
duuu dts dsu, <more gunshots> i need a medic, wounded here.
<handznveq, qcir zenqd>
es hay em ape jan, hay.
hle dzernerd bardzracru, henc hima.

[HyeJinx1984]

Strike? No, I don't think any military action should be taken now or anytime in the foreseeable future.. in no small part due to the fact that our military is laughably small and turkey's is frighteningly big. Besides, I don't want Armenia to be an empire... all I want is a stable place we can all return to without constantly having to look over our shoulders or worry about being invaded or have all the jobs disapear again.

[Hayq]

we need water, the most important thing. If forces are to be deployed in Azerbajian then the only reason they would be there is to protect the pipe. Armenia is the only thing that is in the way of the pipe.

[garegin]

what pipe?
the oil pipe from baku to turkey?

[Hayq]

yes, that precise pipe, the pipe that is the whole reason why war has not resumed between armenian and azeriland...btw, azeriland is easier to say than azerbajian.

[garegin]

the pipe was built in 2002. armenians had loads of time to resume the war. but many say that we got karabahk anyway (de facto). so war is unnesecary.

[Hayq]

you misunderstood me. The pipe is the only thing preventing the war. Armenia cant attack it because it will get the boot from USA and UK. Azerbaijan cant attack Armenia or else Armenia will waste the pipeline and it would be considered fair game.

[dstyle]

you misunderstood me. The pipe is the only thing preventing the war. Armenia cant attack it because it will get the boot from USA and UK. Azerbaijan cant attack Armenia or else Armenia will waste the pipeline and it would be considered fair game.

Ya, I'm sure that's already one of the couterattacks that have been planned, remember before when the pipeline from Georgia would blow every few weeks. hmm. :cool:

[Anonymouse]

What are you hypocrites talking about? For a people that have always been victims of empires, it seems hypocritical that they would have not learned from history. Don't be idiots. If you want lands back, do what the Mexicans are doing in Southwest United States, breed and displace the others.

[Thai-Samurai]

We can't attack Georgia because their fellow Christians like us. And second their our only neighbors who aren't enemies. Iran, Azerbaijain, Turkey, are not our friends. So we should atleast continue good relations w/ Georgia. Also the Georgian president currently is 50% Armenian so that is a sign of good faith already. We can try to negotiate a much bigger chunk of karabakh than we have already. We can try to negotiate land west into Turkey. Any military seziure of land has to be ok'ed in the eyes of the ignorant masses otherwise American media will simply make us look like the bad guys and corporate xxxxxxxs will find a way to profit from us. So we have to be careful.

[Anonymouse]

What's all this "we" talk? I am tired of stupid peons talking about "we" as if they are the State. It's akin to these flag waving patriotic FOX news watching yokels who babble about "We should have done this to Saddam..." or "We should have done that...". Stop using "we". The political elite do not have you into consideration when they act, yet you blindly parrot the "we" nonsense as if it means something.

[Thai-Samurai]

im sorry i meant we as being armenian. anonymouse you always go beyond what people are actually trying to say and then you find something to point out and argue. I by far had the most legitimate and sensical way for Armenia to get more lands. Yet you harass me because i used the word "we" instead of saying Armenia, or the Armenian military, or those who make decesions in armenia, i think thats what u wanted me to say instead of we.

[garegin]

the truth is that geogia doesnt have good relations with us. its because georgia is US's friend and Armenia is Iran's friend. and US hates Iran. We offered geogrians a brotherhood plan in transcaucasia but they said F*** you. In the last ten years Geogia have not shown sighns of improving relationships toward Armenia. Iran did.

[garegin]

BTW, armenians are basicly tired about the karabax issue. the UN wont recognize it. armenia occupied it, but not even armenia recognized karabax.
we are in a sad stalmate. lets solve the karabax issue first.

[Anonymouse]

im sorry i meant we as being armenian. anonymouse you always go beyond what people are actually trying to say and then you find something to point out and argue. I by far had the most legitimate and sensical way for Armenia to get more lands. Yet you harass me because i used the word "we" instead of saying Armenia, or the Armenian military, or those who make decesions in armenia, i think thats what u wanted me to say instead of we.

Because it's always good to go beyond the facts, and beyond what is simply there.

[garegin]

i agree with anon

[Thai-Samurai]

ok lets do this, make friends w/ Iran and invade Georgia.

[Thai-Samurai]

still the problem w/ taking lands by military means is that there are people living there. You can't just tell them to leave, cuz you'll look like the bad guy. The reason it was ok for us to invade karabakh was because the pop. was 90% Armenian. If we invade Turkey or Azerbaijain we really will be taking over people's homes. That looks bad in the eyes of those who would rather trust what mainstream media tells them.

[garegin]

hahahha, not funny
we wanna be friends with geogia but they dis us away.
what the hell can armenia do. i mean, georgia is nto armenia's enemy, but they refuse to be inter-cooperative with us.

[garegin]

still the problem w/ taking lands by military means is that there are people living there. You can't just tell them to leave, cuz you'll look like the bad guy. The reason it was ok for us to invade karabakh was because the pop. was 90% Armenian. If we invade Turkey or Azerbaijain we really will be taking over people's homes. That looks bad in the eyes of those who would rather trust what mainstream media tells them.

but we could reclaim karabax. :) im not talking about turkish-living lands.

[Thai-Samurai]

karabakh is already ours, we won, we have our military chilin there. Dont' you watch Armenian channel, they have concerts and stuff all the time there for the soldiers.

[xBaron Dants]

Once again, I say: shoone ge haché...

[garegin]

yeah but karabax is not internationally recongized as armenia's territory :( :mad:

[HyeJinx1984]

Once again, I say: shoone ge haché...
You don't come around nearly enough.

[CatWoman]

So who thinks we should strike out and take Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iran and create a new Empire?

:wave:

It's not quantity, its quality...I think. For example, India or Kazakhstan are 2 of world's largest countries, but how successful are they really? not much. So it's better to put the effort of taking Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, and Iran on trying to make the best of our own little Armenia :) . Later, we can think about increasing it's size.

[GSTracer05]

I doubt Armenia would be increasing its size anytime soon, if ever. "Little Armenia" is the correct way to term it; exists because of political influence from nations such as the United States and Russia. If Turkey knew that there would be no reprecussions by other nations, it would take over Armenia within a week. Armenian leaders are busy fighting amongst themselves and looting their own people to be worried about trying to expand their nation.

[XxgoeyxX]

So who thinks we should strike out and take Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iran and create a new Empire?

:wave:


First they must take care for themselves and their people before they do a silly thing like that.

[garegin]

durr :rolleyes:

[XxgoeyxX]

Yup my dear pointing out the obvious. durr :rolleyes:

[garegin]

i diidnt say it sarcasticly tough
i totaly agree with u.

[Thai-Samurai]

So far it sounds like Armenia needs better politicians then.

[garegin]

so the armenian-american people in congress should come and become armenian politicians.
is that a good plan?

[GSTracer05]

Armenia doesnt need more politicians, it has enough. It needs a leader with strong charisma, moral judgement, vision, courage, self-sacrafice. I know it might sound harsh, but I think Armenia needs a strong dictator to set the country back on the right course. All this political bickering does nothing for the people. The politicians are only fighting to see who gets to sit on the high chair and take bribes.

[garegin]

basicly is needs a guy like the book "the prince" indicates.
a goddam reagan :laugh: :eek:

[HyeJinx1984]

Can people who weren't born in Armenia run for office in Armenia?

[garegin]

yes they can.
levon petrosian was born in Syria or Lebanon.
kocharian is a native karabaxci.
we are not like u. ethnocentric americans :p (just kidding)

[Anonymouse]

Armenia doesnt need more politicians, it has enough. It needs a leader with strong charisma, moral judgement, vision, courage, self-sacrafice. I know it might sound harsh, but I think Armenia needs a strong dictator to set the country back on the right course. All this political bickering does nothing for the people. The politicians are only fighting to see who gets to sit on the high chair and take bribes.

Oh yea? And just what is the "right course"? Imperialism and expansion? Economic prosperity? Save the fact that most people who advocate for strong centralism and authoritarianism have no knowledge of economics, thus can never know that economic stability and wealth or jobs are never created by "leaders" or the State, but by human action.

[garegin]

Oh yea? And just what is the "right course"? Imperialism and expansion? Economic prosperity? Save the fact that most people who advocate for strong centralism and authoritarianism have no knowledge of economics, thus can never know that economic stability and wealth or jobs are never created by "leaders" or the State, but by human action.

just too much parallels to what happened in Germany and Italy. People were outta jobs, so leaders promised them greatness and prosperity.

[Thai-Samurai]

i see where this threads going, this is what my impression is; "Armenia is small!" "Armenia is losing its people!" "People are gonna march in and take Armenia!" "Don't be optimisitic about Armenia!" Does that sum up your posts so far Anonymouse?

[garegin]

phuck that xxxx. tommorow the new armored(i mean T-48) division will march through kars, van, and erzrum. greeks slam them from west and armenians from east. and if america tries to phuck around, we invite the iranians to the board. americans are very afraid of muslim insurgents, right. :( boo boo boo :crying:
polis is not turk's, they stole it from the greeks and made it a pig barn.

[Thai-Samurai]

lol actually they stole it from Byzantine.

[Anonymouse]

i see where this threads going, this is what my impression is; "Armenia is small!" "Armenia is losing its people!" "People are gonna march in and take Armenia!" "Don't be optimisitic about Armenia!" Does that sum up your posts so far Anonymouse?

No it doesn't .

[garegin]

greeks were the residents of byzantine.
you could clearly see the nation named as greeks in many manuscripts

[GSTracer05]

Oh yea? And just what is the "right course"? Imperialism and expansion? Economic prosperity? Save the fact that most people who advocate for strong centralism and authoritarianism have no knowledge of economics, thus can never know that economic stability and wealth or jobs are never created by "leaders" or the State, but by human action.

No, not imperialism or expansion. Armenia is faaar away from accomplishing things of that sort. Economic prosperity; less corruption; enforcement of laws (did you know people actually spit at police officers in armenia?) Before Armenia's independance from the USSR, would you not say that the poverty levels were less? People had jobs? The law (even though harsh at times) was enforced? What do you see now? You have a small majority that control most of Armenia's wealth and it is mainly located in the capital and its outskirts. You have people in nearby cities and villages on the point of starvation. No housing, no jobs, not even proper sanitation.

You are right, economic stability can not be created by a leader, but by the people. But what happens when you take away leadership from these people? For decades they have been used to strong leadership. Now that's gone, every person for himself. You need a leader to establish a strong govt, one that is not corrupt, one that will fight corruption and not turn a blind eye towards it.

Here's a small example, in how many US airports do you have to bribe the guy checking your luggage to let you through? Then take a look at Armenia. You could argue that the attendants taking the bribes have families to feed (in most cases its true), which brings me to my "every person for himself" point. Its a tremendous task in the undertaking, but it has to start at some point.

[Thai-Samurai]

I agree..........................

[garegin]

there was one leader who won my respect, the shrila-lankan PM. He rebuilt his country and brought many jobs.

[Thai-Samurai]

where is that country? oh yeah what about Castro he did a good job kind of.

[garegin]

thats an island off the coast of india.

[Anonymouse]

No, not imperialism or expansion. Armenia is faaar away from accomplishing things of that sort. Economic prosperity; less corruption; enforcement of laws (did you know people actually spit at police officers in armenia?) Before Armenia's independance from the USSR, would you not say that the poverty levels were less? People had jobs? The law (even though harsh at times) was enforced? What do you see now? You have a small majority that control most of Armenia's wealth and it is mainly located in the capital and its outskirts. You have people in nearby cities and villages on the point of starvation. No housing, no jobs, not even proper sanitation.

The reason Armenia is where it is today, is because of 70 plus years of Socialist/Statist bliss. It sounds like what you're advocating is more government and all governments are socialistic. Forget it, it's a dead dream. The fallacy of statism was clear in the 20th century yet people don't learn from history. The solutions are not more government, because it is precisely government that allows the minority clique in control now to rise to the top.

You are right, economic stability can not be created by a leader, but by the people. But what happens when you take away leadership from these people? For decades they have been used to strong leadership. Now that's gone, every person for himself. You need a leader to establish a strong govt, one that is not corrupt, one that will fight corruption and not turn a blind eye towards it.

All governments are corrupt because that is the nature of politics and politicial systems. The free market and capitalism is what creates wealth and economic stability, not politicians.

Here's a small example, in how many US airports do you have to bribe the guy checking your luggage to let you through? Then take a look at Armenia. You could argue that the attendants taking the bribes have families to feed (in most cases its true), which brings me to my "every person for himself" point. Its a tremendous task in the undertaking, but it has to start at some point.

Even in strong governments people act "every person to himself". That is the nature of individuals, since all individuals act anarchically. You cannot expect people all to act in concert unless they were mindless automatons with no free will. Or the other alternative is if you had a tyrannical dictatorship which forced people to act in concert, and if you didn't you paid a price, which would be unethical. If some people find that justifiable then such people have no ethics, and I know how some of you view this. "Why be ethical?" Don't, but such tyrannies do not last because they contain the seeds of their own downfall. You can never control people, and only for so long.

However, the sad state of affairs in Armenia are more a result of 70 plus years of socialist bliss, and the fact that the culture has been influenced by Russia and the Soviet Union which has no culture of individualism itself, and even during Communism, I remember how my mother would tell me that business and businessmen were frowned upon, and success of individuals were not good since they were "bourgeois". Anything outside of the collective mob mentality was not a good thing. As such, all strong centralized systems are closed systems, therefore the blueprint for their own destructions are inherent in those systems. They are not like open which they can grow, adapt, and expand, and give rise to the creative forces that are necessary for the well being of any people and society, as Arnold Toynbee once said. An open system is which the free market is. If you want jobs in Armenia you can begin by removing all wage laws, tarrifs, trade restrictions, and any other regulation on the market, to then maybe have a company like Ford or someone establish plants there, thereby creating jobs. It takes time for people that came out of nearly a century of socialism to try to adapt to a market society. It doesn't happen overnight.

[Thai-Samurai]

That's a good idea. We can do what Japan did, just make car parts for America.

[CatWoman]

What do you guys think about this article? http://www.eurasianet.org/departments/insight/articles/pp092904.shtml

[winoman]

What are you hypocrites talking about? For a people that have always been victims of empires, it seems hypocritical that they would have not learned from history. Don't be idiots. If you want lands back, do what the Mexicans are doing in Southwest United States, breed and displace the others.

wow I don't know if I've ever agreed with anything you have posted before...but I do agree with you here (the first part very much)...and I imagine I share your concern for the (mostly ignorant) state of Armenian youth here in the states....

[gevo]

So who thinks we should strike out and take Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iran and create a new Empire?

:wave:
this is a stupid unrealistic question... armenians can only barely defend themselves.. an attack would be more like a self imposed holocaust... thats just the nature of armenians.. (ok people, dont bite my head off, i know this is a huge generalization, take it lightly :P!!!! )

[garegin]

this "debate" is foolish. we can barely secure our land. we should be focused more on rebuilding armenia rather than making plans for reconquista.

[Shiva]

What's interesting is for peace loving people we can certainly fight and win if we try... its been proven... the reason we lost so much land is we sat around and let people take it from us instead of fighting back. But whenever we've been forced to take up arms, we are fierce warriors.

[garegin]

true that one is true.
but armenia cannot realisticly take back any lands in the near future. there are no plans or objectives. and you know what happens when u dont have detailed plans ;) . even very brave japs lost to the allies. why? because allies had a much larger army. the only way we could win, is through guirella warfare.

[Anonymouse]

That's a good idea. We can do what Japan did, just make car parts for America.

Like I said, your myopic views of empire are silly at best. Try to step down from pipedreams and join reality.

[Anonymouse]

this "debate" is foolish. we can barely secure our land. we should be focused more on rebuilding armenia rather than making plans for reconquista.

Tell that to the daydreaming warmongering key board warriors.

[garegin]

you tell them, i dont have balls :laugh:

[Anonymouse]

I already have.

[garegin]

thanx. :) :) :)

[The Mad Turk]

hey Armenians,
I am Turkish,I love Armenians,Altough I read your terrible opinions about my country I dont know why but I still cant hate you.There are still some armenians living here.We never hurt them.on the contrary we are very good friends.But ı think when you meet Turks outside turkey you try to kill them.I was surprised to see how much you hate us.Because here and in Armenia, people are really not like you.Armenians are coming here from Armenia.Some of them work.I even saw prostites from armenia.I think there is no hatred towards to you here.But if you say that Armenia is going to take our lands and you will destroy turkey and convert us to christians ı think that you are a real dreamer.And you can use these sites to relax yourself with your perverted dreams.we are ready to be friends.But if it comes fighting you must know that we are very good in every kind of fight.dont live in the history.100 years is long time.still I love the mild Armenian neighbours,they look like us. :evil: may be ı can say cousins. :evil:

[gevo]

hey Armenians,
I am Turkish,I love Armenians,Altough I read your terrible opinions about my country I dont know why but I still cant hate you.There are still some armenians living here.We never hurt them.on the contrary we are very good friends.But ı think when you meet Turks outside turkey you try to kill them.I was surprised to see how much you hate us.Because here and in Armenia, people are really not like you.Armenians are coming here from Armenia.Some of them work.I even saw prostites from armenia.I think there is no hatred towards to you here.But if you say that Armenia is going to take our lands and you will destroy turkey and convert us to christians ı think that you are a real dreamer.And you can use these sites to relax yourself with your perverted dreams.we are ready to be friends.But if it comes fighting you must know that we are very good in every kind of fight.dont live in the history.100 years is long time.still I love the mild Armenian neighbours,they look like us. :evil: may be ı can say cousins. :evil:
This is how ignorent you are.. YOU personally just denied ever hurting the Armenians.. and then you want to be friends.. i dont think that "Armenians" here or wherever are living in the past. .but i think we as a people require the worlds consent that YES! you did murder millions of innocent Armenians.. no matter how long ago.. it has never been acknowledged.. which is the precise problem we have... so go hang yourself.. and i dont hate turks.. i just hate the ones that are ignorent like you... ok.. maybe hate is a strong word.. but it sure gets the point across..

[Anonymouse]

hey Armenians,
I am Turkish,I love Armenians,Altough I read your terrible opinions about my country I dont know why but I still cant hate you.There are still some armenians living here.We never hurt them.on the contrary we are very good friends.But ı think when you meet Turks outside turkey you try to kill them.I was surprised to see how much you hate us.Because here and in Armenia, people are really not like you.Armenians are coming here from Armenia.Some of them work.I even saw prostites from armenia.I think there is no hatred towards to you here.But if you say that Armenia is going to take our lands and you will destroy turkey and convert us to christians ı think that you are a real dreamer.And you can use these sites to relax yourself with your perverted dreams.we are ready to be friends.But if it comes fighting you must know that we are very good in every kind of fight.dont live in the history.100 years is long time.still I love the mild Armenian neighbours,they look like us. :evil: may be ı can say cousins. :evil:

I don't know... I used to like Jack In The Box, but then I grew out of my burger phase and now I just eat a Sweet Onion Chicken Teryiaki sandwich at Subway, foot long and on wheat bread. I also frequent Quizno's sometimes because they have oven toasted subs and the owner is Armenian.

[garegin]

hey Armenians,
But if you say that Armenia is going to take our lands and you will destroy turkey and convert us to christians ı think that you are a real dreamer.And you can use these sites to relax yourself with your perverted dreams.we are ready to be friends.But if it comes fighting you must know that we are very good in every kind of fight.dont live in the history.100 years is long time.still I love the mild Armenian neighbours,they look like us. :evil: may be ı can say cousins. :evil:
turks proudly claimed to have defeated the allies at galipoli. it was in reality in large part because of the german forces. but the turks have given themselves the impression of a fierce and superb fighers. :rolleyes:

[CatWoman]

hey Armenians,
I am Turkish,I love Armenians,Altough I read your terrible opinions about my country I dont know why but I still cant hate you.There are still some armenians living here.We never hurt them.on the contrary we are very good friends.But ı think when you meet Turks outside turkey you try to kill them.I was surprised to see how much you hate us.Because here and in Armenia, people are really not like you.Armenians are coming here from Armenia.Some of them work.I even saw prostites from armenia.I think there is no hatred towards to you here.But if you say that Armenia is going to take our lands and you will destroy turkey and convert us to christians ı think that you are a real dreamer.And you can use these sites to relax yourself with your perverted dreams.we are ready to be friends.But if it comes fighting you must know that we are very good in every kind of fight.dont live in the history.100 years is long time.still I love the mild Armenian neighbours,they look like us. :evil: may be ı can say cousins. :evil:

Lets be friends? You're joking right? how can I possibly be friends with someone whose ancestors killed my ancestors (no literally, two of my great grandmother's uncles)?? NEVER, I don't see it happening...at least not until your people and government stop the denial and recognize what they did to more than one million Armenians from 1915-1923!!!

When that happens, come back to this board and we'll try to work something out...

By the way the only way we could ever be cousins with Turks is from the women they raped during the genocide.

[garegin]

turks are ethnicly distant people. they are orginaly from east. its not like the case of english vs. french, because french are ethnicly brothers to the english.
friends sure, cousins i dont think so. ;)
when the turkish govt recognizes the genocide, then armenians would have no "beef" with the turks. simple as that. we DONT hate you. ok. we hate ur ignorant leaders, so insult the armenians constantly.

[The Mad Turk]

we came originally from asia but now we have very little blood from them.we dont look like oriental anymore .we are a mixture of asians,arabs,iranians,greeks,romanians, bosnians,hungarians,bulgarians
and guess what armenians...so you can deny but our cultures (with armenia not with the ones live abroad)is very similar.Food,music...Also many old buildings here is built by Armenians, Many old music is composed by armenians.And here we see the armenians as a colour of our society.But you people who live in california and french and other places lost the beatiful Armenian spirit and became a disgusting people without bculture just living for the revange of 100 years ago.

[HyeJinx1984]

you can deny but our cultures (with armenia not with the ones live abroad)is very similar.Food,music...Also many old buildings here is built by Armenians, Many old music is composed by armenians.

You realize that this DOESN'T help your argument right? Saying that a lot of buidings in Turkey were built by Armenians doesn't give us reason to be friends.. those buildings are on land that is historically Armenian that you STOLE. Look, you're not a bad person, but honestly, reading your posts is EXACTLY what Armenians are talking about when they say the Turkish people are miseducated by their government. So far the two posts you've made in this thread are more inflamatory than they are "bringing the two cultures together." I mean for goddsake, you brought up Armenian prostitutes in Turkey as a way to... what? Makes us feel better? You realize they prostitute in Turkey because the economy is so bad in Armenian BECAUSE of actions by Turkey, correct? It amazes me that you thought mentioning that our women are xxxxxs in your country was a way for you to build bridges between our cultures. Can you honestly be that delussional?

[Anonymouse]

Why are you idiots even responding to this bag of phlegm? He can't even type coherently. Maybe he had a date with a turkey. Get it? A turkey! HA HA HA! OMG IM SO FUNNY!

[HyeJinx1984]

*chuckles* once in a while, you make me smile...

[garegin]

me too :laugh: :laugh:

[The Mad Turk]

This is the final message from me.I will never ever even look what you idiots do here.You people who constantly talk about revange and taking our lands from us.You smell blood.YOU ARE NOT ARMENİANS.YOU ARE TYPİCAL AMERİCANS.Just like you do in Irak and everywhere in the world you are trying to find reasons to attack people.Real Armenians,our neighbours are poor and nice people.They are not animals like you.May be your grandparents came there from Turkey but you lost all your humanity.I think real barbarians are you, not us.look the things you write.I say ı like your culture and you say we killed your grand grand dads and turkey is your land.many lands are changed from some country to another in the history.So what?than all of you xxxx off from America.America is İndians place.You killed all of them.nothing left.So come and attack us we are waiting you.I did not try to say that we Turks xxx Armenian women.I tried to say that even Armenian prostitutes(of course there are Turkish Prostitues too)dont mind coming here.But now I clearly say I would love to xxx all dirty pig Americans and american Armenians women and men.Bye for ever.all of you can live for ever with your maniac dreams and hatred.Because all Americans are disgusting anyway.Even if they are Turkish oriented.

[XxgoeyxX]

You dont know History my dear..We didnt kill Indians. And you get out of our land..your people killed our ancestors. Now Dont be a hypocrate.



And if you do not have hatred why you saying harmful and childish things yourself. Why dont you be a better person then US Armenians :rolleyes: :rolleyes: and not write silly childish things like this. You come to an Armenian forum and expect to love everything people write. Must grow up my dear, this is life this is how people feel about things. You cannot change them with stupid things you write.

[HyeJinx1984]

This is the final message from me.I will never ever even look what you idiots do here.You people who constantly talk about revange and taking our lands from us.You smell blood.YOU ARE NOT ARMENİANS.YOU ARE TYPİCAL AMERİCANS.Just like you do in Irak and everywhere in the world you are trying to find reasons to attack people.Real Armenians,our neighbours are poor and nice people.They are not animals like you.May be your grandparents came there from Turkey but you lost all your humanity.I think real barbarians are you, not us.look the things you write.I say ı like your culture and you say we killed your grand grand dads and turkey is your land.many lands are changed from some country to another in the history.So what?than all of you xxxx off from America.America is İndians place.You killed all of them.nothing left.So come and attack us we are waiting you.I did not try to say that we Turks xxx Armenian women.I tried to say that even Armenian prostitutes(of course there are Turkish Prostitues too)dont mind coming here.But now I clearly say I would love to xxx all dirty pig Americans and american Armenians women and men.Bye for ever.all of you can live for ever with your maniac dreams and hatred.Because all Americans are disgusting anyway.Even if they are Turkish oriented.

LOL, where can I begin to break down everything that is wrong with this post? Well, he's not coming back so I don't need to... but his miseducation is frightening.

[The Mad Turk]

You are ABSOLUTELY right. I AM SORRY, BYE BYE.

[XxgoeyxX]

Im sure he will say some other dumn uneducated crap..."You get out of America you killed Indians"..That made me laugh sooo hard. Such dumn people in this world. And all of them seem to join the forum.

[Virgil]

This is the final message from me.I will never ever even look what you idiots do here.You people who constantly talk about revange and taking our lands from us.You smell blood.YOU ARE NOT ARMENİANS.YOU ARE TYPİCAL AMERİCANS.Just like you do in Irak and everywhere in the world you are trying to find reasons to attack people.Real Armenians,our neighbours are poor and nice people.They are not animals like you.May be your grandparents came there from Turkey but you lost all your humanity.I think real barbarians are you, not us.look the things you write.I say ı like your culture and you say we killed your grand grand dads and turkey is your land.many lands are changed from some country to another in the history.So what?than all of you xxxx off from America.America is İndians place.You killed all of them.nothing left.So come and attack us we are waiting you.I did not try to say that we Turks xxx Armenian women.I tried to say that even Armenian prostitutes(of course there are Turkish Prostitues too)dont mind coming here.But now I clearly say I would love to xxx all dirty pig Americans and american Armenians women and men.Bye for ever.all of you can live for ever with your maniac dreams and hatred.Because all Americans are disgusting anyway.Even if they are Turkish oriented.

Hate? Who the hell hates you? Stop using a double standard and I will show some respect towards you and your countrymen. You find it ok to to "invade" Cyprus and "close borders" with Armenia, but yet now, are claiming that "we want revenge"? Get a life, your Turkish two-faced stance is just getting old.

[guaco]

This is the final message from me.I will never ever even look what you idiots do here.You people who constantly talk about revange and taking our lands from us.You smell blood.YOU ARE NOT ARMENİANS.YOU ARE TYPİCAL AMERİCANS.Just like you do in Irak and everywhere in the world you are trying to find reasons to attack people.Real Armenians,our neighbours are poor and nice people.They are not animals like you.May be your grandparents came there from Turkey but you lost all your humanity.I think real barbarians are you, not us.look the things you write.I say ı like your culture and you say we killed your grand grand dads and turkey is your land.many lands are changed from some country to another in the history.So what?than all of you xxxx off from America.America is İndians place.You killed all of them.nothing left.So come and attack us we are waiting you.I did not try to say that we Turks xxx Armenian women.I tried to say that even Armenian prostitutes(of course there are Turkish Prostitues too)dont mind coming here.But now I clearly say I would love to xxx all dirty pig Americans and american Armenians women and men.Bye for ever.all you can live for ever with your maniac dreams and hatred.Because all Americans are disgusting anyway.Even if they are Turkish oriented.

Personally I agree with your statement about how American Armenians become typical racist and dangerous western people who created an identity to themselves from Turkish hatred to struggle with their national identity problems. And yes they have no similarity with real Armenians at Turkey, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. in our region. And I love that people.

[Anonymouse]

Personally I agree with your statement about how American Armenians become typical racist and dangerous western people who created an identity to themselves from Turkish hatred to struggle with their national identity problems. And yes they have no similarity with real Armenians at Turkey, Iran, Syria, Lebanon, etc. in our region. And I love that people.

There is no one creating an identity you Geico Gecko. The only ones that created an identity to escape their blood lusting scimitar carrying Asiatic barbarian past were you turkeys. You are now excused and can go freely slit your wrists.

[garegin]

to make a friend one must be a friend.
Franklin Roosevelt
Copisce?

[garegin]

There is no one creating an identity you Geico Gecko. The only ones that created an identity to escape their blood lusting scimitar carrying Asiatic barbarian past were you turkeys. You are now excused and can go freely slit your wrists.

God forbit, these Asiatic hordes invade our beloved homeland.
A german soldier during WWII ;)

[gevo]

this was the most rediculouse line of arguments i have heard form one person... wel... like iv said i dont hate turk.. but DAMN! this guy was ignorent....

[garegin]

the thing is that he feels treatened by armenians.
we are not vengfull, nor bloodthirsty. its turks you attacked us, and now he says that we are vengfull (WTF). Armenia wants to be friends, but Turkey blockaded us. Like I said
To make friends, one must be a friend.
Turkish govt denies the genocide and then they say that were are angry loons. :confused: :mad:

[guaco]

There is no one creating an identity you Geico Gecko. The only ones that created an identity to escape their blood lusting scimitar carrying Asiatic barbarian past were you turkeys. You are now excused and can go freely slit your wrists.

Again, as I said before, if you want to feel yourself more civilised, more victim, more european, more white, etc. you can repeat your stereotypes and can beg sympathy from western world to accept you. This conversaton goes nowhere until you look yourselves from outside and see how racism become rooted in your community character. I recommend you don't play your Turkish hatred game to stand against assimilation since you already assimilated and become a typical American.
Leave real Armenians alone and don't threaten them for their will to make relationship with Turkey. Because they are not living in a comfort like you.
We are ready to solve our problems with them and you obstruct both sides with your blind hatred.

[Anonymouse]

Again, as I said before, if you want to feel yourself more civilised, more victim, more european, more white, etc. you can repeat your stereotypes and can beg sympathy from western world to accept you. This conversaton goes nowhere until you look yourselves from outside and see how racism become rooted in your community character. I recommend you don't play your Turkish hatred game to stand against assimilation since you already assimilated and become a typical American.
Leave real Armenians alone and don't threaten them for their will to make relationship with Turkey. Because they are not living in a comfort like you.
We are ready to solve our problems with them and you obstruct both sides with your blind hatred.

I don't feel myself anything, but you feel like I should feel like the way you make it out to be.

My hatred wasn't towards Turks, per se, just turkeys like you. I find a big difference between a Turk and a turkey, don't you?

[Virgil]

Again, as I said before, if you want to feel yourself more civilised, more victim, more european, more white, etc. you can repeat your stereotypes and can beg sympathy from western world to accept you. This conversaton goes nowhere until you look yourselves from outside and see how racism become rooted in your community character. I recommend you don't play your Turkish hatred game to stand against assimilation since you already assimilated and become a typical American.
Leave real Armenians alone and don't threaten them for their will to make relationship with Turkey. Because they are not living in a comfort like you.
We are ready to solve our problems with them and you obstruct both sides with your blind hatred.

Guaco you sound like a broken record. Ok let me tell how stupid you sound. You are accusing Armenians of being racist, but yet TELL ME one time Armenians have used there influence to hinder Turkey? Please, oh "great" humanitarian, tell me one time Turkey has gone out of its way to help Armenians? For every one time Turks have helped Armenians there are ten times they have tried to undermine the progress of our nation.

Your country is directly helping the enemy of Armenians in Armenia. So, please explain to me how your logic works? You’re accusing the Diaspora of being racist, but yet it was your government that closed its borders at a time when Armenian needed Turkey? So, why the hell would they want to "reopen" the borders with Turkey or even "reconcile" with Turks when in fact it was just ten years that you xxxxed them over? Furthermore, can you please explain to me how you can honestly say that "Turks are friends of Armenians" when in fact your government supports Azerbaijan and their threats? CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU CAN HONESTLY BE "SINCERE" WHEN AZERI GENERALS, WHO REPRESENT A COUNTRY YOU SUPPORT, STATE PUBLICALLY THAT "WITHIN 25 YEARS THERE WILL BE NO ARMENIA"? Please, oh "great humanitarian", explain to us how Armenians are being "racist" when in fact it was not just 2 months ago that a Azeri Officer butchered a Armenian in cold blood?

I call bullxxxx, your entire "plea" or "logic" is based on a double standard that continually benefits your country. I do not see how you have the odasity to claim that Armenians are "racist" or "aggressors" when in fact it was just 30 years ago when you invaded a the territory of a NATO ally.

NOW, seeing as to how even recently you have xxxxed over Cyprus Greeks, Armenians, and Artsahk Armenians? Why the hell should the Diaspora take your please serious? I mean, ok, if it was once or twice that you committed a mistake, it is understandable but you continually show no initiative to change. Your countries idea of "progression" is to invade other nations.

Let me tell how two faced your stance is. Your country directly invaded Cyprus and is occupying one half of the god dam island. You have displaced the population, took over their property, and are using their sacred churches as stables.

Yet, you support Azerbaijan, who tried to commit a genocide on Armenians in order to "relocate" them. The war in Artsahk was not even between Armenia and Azerbaijan. It was between Artsahk Armenians and Azeri soldiers. You claim that Armenians occupy a fifth of Azerbaijan when in fact they were always there. You can't occupy a country if you have always lived there. Second of all, most of the refugees that fled Azerbaijan were Armenians. That poor old lady that we were talking about in another thread was a Azeri Armenian that was living in Baku.

Turks in Cyprus are the aggressors. Your country directly invaded another country, but yet you continually accuse Armenians of "aggression" and "racism"? Can you please tell me how your logic works? You directly undermined the welfare of Armenians during WW2 by trying to promote notions that Armenians are Semites in order to spark another genocide on Armenians. You helped Israel destroy your Muslim brethren. You are directly occupy another countries territory. You have kept the xxxish gold from WW2. You directly committed atrocities against Kurds. I can list more things you have done to other nations and groups of people.

In short, you have a track record of committing atrocities in your favor and denying them, so, stop accusing Armenians of racism because the only "racist" I see are Turks. Actions speak loader then words and the actions of Turks outweigh their "words".

Lastly, I would like to stress the point that most of the Armenian lobby does not make Armenians look like "victims", but slowly that is what is happening. In no way am I denying the factual events of the genocide. There was a centralized order to exterminate. There is just no way 2 million Armenians that had homes and roots in Armenia would just drop everything and leave. Furthermore, assuming that 2 million Armenians could be part of a "civil war" when in fact Armenians were not considered citizens in the first place is just ridiculously stupid. I have the courage to criticize the actions of my own people because by doing so I may be able to change their outcome, but you are just blatantly lying, ignoring, and using a double standard to justify the actions of your government and fellow Turks. If I have the "balls" to criticize the actions of my own people then I, as a Armenian, will progress, but you continually denying the very fabric that your nation was built upon will never ever create progression. Yes, you can be nationalistic, but to deny the fact that your country has committed atrocities is just being ignorant and using a double standard to justify your nation’s aggression. I am sure you blame the Cypriots for forcing you to invade their country like you blame the Armenians for mistrusting you even though you have directly caused their decline as a people. In short, your logic only benefits you.

[Thai-Samurai]

we came originally from asia but now we have very little blood from them.we dont look like oriental anymore .we are a mixture of asians,arabs,iranians,greeks,romanians, bosnians,hungarians,bulgarians
and guess what armenians...so you can deny but our cultures (with armenia not with the ones live abroad)is very similar.Food,music...Also many old buildings here is built by Armenians, Many old music is composed by armenians.And here we see the armenians as a colour of our society.But you people who live in california and french and other places lost the beatiful Armenian spirit and became a disgusting people without bculture just living for the revange of 100 years ago.

That whole paragraph really just ends up proving that Turks have no culture. And he gives a long list of what Turks are. It's funny cuz we're just Armenian.

[guaco]

Guaco you sound like a broken record. Ok let me tell how stupid you sound. You are accusing Armenians of being racist, but yet TELL ME one time Armenians have used there influence to hinder Turkey? Please, oh "great" humanitarian, tell me one time Turkey has gone out of its way to help Armenians? For every one time Turks have helped Armenians there are ten times they have tried to undermine the progress of our nation.

Your country is directly helping the enemy of Armenians in Armenia. So, please explain to me how your logic works? Your accusing the diaspora of being racist, but yet it was your government that closeds its borders at a time when Armenian needed Turkey? So, why the hell would they want to "reopen" the borders with Turkey or even "reconcile" with Turks when in fact it was just ten years that you xxxxed them over? Furthermore, can you please explain to me how you can honestly say that "Turks are friends of Armenians" when in fact your government supports Azerbaijan and their threats? CAN YOU PLEASE TELL ME HOW YOU CAN HONESTLY BE "SINCERE" WHEN AZERI GENERALS, WHO REPRESENT A COUNTRY YOU SUPPORT, STATE PUBLICALLY THAT "WITHIN 25 YEARS THERE WILL BE NO ARMENIA"? Please, oh "great humanitarian", explain to us how Armenians are being "racist" when in fact it was not just 2 months ago that a Azeri Officer butchered a Armenian in cold blood?

I call bullxxxx, your entire "plea" or "logic" is based on a double standard that continually benefits your country. I do not see how you have the odasity to claim that Armenians are "racist" or "aggressors" when in fact it was just 30 years ago when you invaded a the territory of a NATO ally.

NOW, seeing as to how even recently you have xxxxed over Cyprus Greeks, Armenians, and Artsahk Armenians? Why the hell should the Diaspora take your please serious? I mean, ok, if it was once or twice that you commited a mistake, it is understandable but you continually show no inntiative to change. Your countries idea of "progression" is to invade other nations.

Let me tell how two faced your stance is. You country directly invaded Cyprus and are occupying one half of the god dam island. You have displaced the population, took over their property, and are using their sacred churches as stables.

Yet, you support Azerbaijan, who tried to commit another genocide on Armenians in order to "relocate" them. The war in Artsahk was not even between Armenia and Azerbaijan. It was between Artsahk Armenians and Azeri soldiers. You claim that Armenians occupy a fifth of Azerbaijan when in fact they were always there. You can't occupy a country if you have always lived there. Second of all, most of the refugees that fled Azerbaijan were Armenians. That poor old lady that we were talking about in another thread was a Azeri Armenian that was living in Baku.

Turks in Cyprus are the aggressors. Your country directly invaded another country, but yet you continually accuse Armenians of "aggresion" and "racism"? Can you please tell me how your logic works? You directly undermined the welfare of Armenians during WW2 by trying to promote notions that Armenians are semites in order to spark another genocide on Armenians. You helped Israel destroy your Muslim breatheren. You are directly occupy a another countrys territory. You have kept the xxxish gold from WW2. You direclty commited authrocities against Kurds. I can list more things you have done to other nations and groups of people.

In short, you have a track record of commiting authrocities in your favor and denying them, so, stop accusing Armenians of racism because the only "racist" I see are Turks. Actions speak loader then words and the actions of Turks outweigh their "words".

Lastly, I would like to stress that most of the Armenian lobby does not make Armenians look like "victims", but slowly that is what is happening. In no way am I denying the factual events of the genocide. There was a centralized order to exterminate. There is just no way 2 million Armenians that had homes and roots in Armenia would just drop everything and live. Furthermore, assuming that 2 million Armenians could be part of a "civil war" when in fact Armenians were not considered citizens in the first place is just ridiculously stupid. I have the courage to critisize the actions of my own people because by doing so I may be able to change their outcome, but you are just blatently lieing, ignoring, and useing a double standard to justify the actions of your government and fellow Turks. If I have the "balls" to critisize the actions of my own people then I, as a Armenian, will progess, but you continually denying the very fabric that your nation was built upon will never ever create progression. Yes, you can be nationalistic, but to deny the fact that your country has commited authrocities is just being ignorant and using a double standard to justify your nations aggression. I am sure you blame the Cypruts for forcing you to invade their country like you blame the Armenians for mistrusting you even though you have directly caused their decline as a people. In short, your logic only benefits you.

Virgil, I would discuss your accusations if you were sincere about your opinions for Cyprus issue and Kurds. But you are only trying to win the discussion with the typical methods of someone who is insincere. With the exaggeration and false accusation methods you can only deceive yourself.
Cyprus issue is very complicated so you must be a sincere person to debate it. But if you look tge references of UN, you can understand that both Greeks and Turks are the guilty ones about the issue and I honestly critisize Turkish side, but not to you of course since you are not sincere. If I use you method I can accuse you very very easily with the same situation about your attack to Azerbaijan.
About Kurds, as I said before we are solving our problems but of course insincerely you will not believe me. OK, so read the EU report about Kurds in Turkey which will publish at Wednesdays.
About your accusations with xxxs of WW2, I really can't understand you since as neutral states only Turkey and Sweden saved the lives of thousand of xxxs. Turksih diplomats are considered as heroes of xxxish people, because the saved their lives. If you don't believe me seach the web, OK?

Please don't reply me if you use this insincere labelling with stereotypes method. Because this is not a discussion contest. But I welcome if you have some sincere qusetions.

[Thai-Samurai]

But you are only trying to win the discussion with the typical methods of someone who is insincere. With the exaggeration and false accusation methods you can only deceive yourself.
.

Yeah! Didn't you know that virgil?

[Virgil]

Yeah! Didn't you know that virgil?

This is a message board and to be honest I am not going to spend more time in order to write a university level essay just so I can flex my nuts. To be honest I hate being referred to as a "intellectual" because frankly intellectuals are only talking heads that are pawns for larger powers to use as a way to justify their expansion or shortcomings. I could care less if anyone on these boards thinks of me because frankly its a message and arguing on a message board is retarded. Furthermore, I am not here to create a Armenian legion because that era is over. There just is no way to conquer or invade another country unless you have direct go by larger powers. Turkey gets away with everything because its suger daddy AKA the U.S. allows it.

The age of Nepoleons is over and if anyone has influence over world affairs its a guy in suit. Now, that doesn't you don't need "soldiers", but rather you need a different type of soldier. You don't the guy with the beard chanting patriotic songs, but rather you need the neo-nationalist and in essence the neo-soldier. The in the suit, that drives a ferrari, and yet can influence world affairs with the snap of fingers. That doesn't mean you need more degrees because more degrees doesn't equite to profits, power, or influence, but rather having degrees is more or less a novelity item. Nowadays, true talent and brains is equited by cumilative GPAs and "Extracuricular activities", but yet the worlds most influencial scientists, writers, and in general movers and shakers were anything but "eduacted". Hell, Bill Gates is a Harvard drop out, while Enstein failed Math. I mean yes, you need a education, but having a eduaction is not my idea of a neo-nationalist.

I am not a socialite and I don't like posting on message boards. However, that doesn't mean I will not post, rather, I only post if I feel it is needed. The only reason I confront Turks is because I hate how they use a double standard. They want me, as a Armenian, to forget everything that has happended to Armenians within the last century for the sake of letting "bygones be bygones", but yet they whine, complain, and use technicalities to make sure Armenia does not legitimitly integrate Artsahk as a part of Armenia. I just hate this double standard, if tommorrow Turkey was to stop using this double standard and directly took action against Azerbaijan I would accept the sincerity of Turks, but they still view themselves as Turkish brothers, thus, I as a Armenian am forced to mistrust Turks.

See, here is what really annoys the xxxx out of me. You have this Guaco, yeah he seems like he "gives a dam", but notice how he never condems Azerbaijan for its actions? IF he does he always makes sure to say the same about Armenia in order to save face. However, notice the Armenians on these boards? How many of them have called Armenians like me racist? How many of them have directly tried to ridicule or insult me? Now, do you see why we are a failure as a people? It is like Armenians want to acheive moral superiority even at the extent of alienating other Armenians. That doesn't mean that you have to be immoral, but rather, understand that in order for your people to progress they have take actions that my not be ethnical. Just look at how the world has ignored the genocide. Name me one country that has embraced the acceptence of the genocide without any pressure from Armenians? Now, knowing that no one gives a dam about Armenians why the hell do you as Armenians continually strive to be morally superior? I mean does it make feel good knowing that others think you are "cultured"? Like I said I could care less if a few Sudanese starve not because I am heartless, but because there are more influential powers that can do somthing, but they won't, so, why the hell should I help them when in fact my own country and people are facing extinction? This in essence is why we are a failure as a people. Not because we lack potential, but because we cannabilize one another for the sake of moral superiority.

Honestly, do you think I give a rats ass if a few Armenians want to rip off the government? How many Americans of European descent have terrorized the faces of history books? Many, so, why should I care if a few Armenians want to make a buck off Uncle Sam? Hell, you have CEOs that rip off the American people and the only justice they face is a few fines. But no, a Armenian does a white collar crime and you have the entire Armenian community condemning him. This guy comes on these boards claiming to be sincere and what not and the first thing Armenians do, instead of questioning his sincerity, welcome him like everything the Turks have done towards Armenian within the last century even the last ten years is ok. Like I said most have the "bend me over I am victim" mentality, thus, they will be pushed into the victim camp.

I am just shocked as to how stupid the Armenian youth is. They actually buy into this "one world" and "one human race" ideas of utopia. The very notion of "one human race" means the extinction of Armenians and the other ethnicities on this planet. Everything has a price and the price of living under one banner means that you assimlate and what do you assimilate into? Really think about this for a second, what language are we typing in? English. What country's independence do we celebrate? Americas. What was America prior to its independence? A English colony, thus, in essence we don't become English, but rather we become colonized.

Sure it is great to respect one another, but be so naive as to state that reconcilation will not have a bearing on Armenians is just ignorance. Seeing as to how Armenia is surrounded by Muslim nations, I wouldn't be suprised with the way Armenians embrace assimlation and reconcilation that within the next one hundred years Armenia doesn't exist or if it does the Armenian will be just be another Turkified country. Our ancestors escaped the Turkish schimitar only to be conquered by the song and dance routine of a few Turks and frankly, it is disgusting. This is partially why I just ignore the entire "Armenain genocide" or anything related to this. IT is pointless because I already know where we are headed as a people. Like I said, the fact that a majority of the youth can't speak Armenian should be enough of a reason to take action. Add the depopulation of Armenia and the fact that in theory 50% of the Armenian population will eventually face assimlation and you begin to realize that we are on a one way train towards extinction.

By the way, I just spent 15 minutes writing this, so, don't make any half ass assumptions that I spent hours writing this. I am very short on time and don't like people who assumes thing. IF anything, I worship nerds because they are the true movers and shakers of the world. Oh, and when I mean nerds I am not referring to Chang with the 4.0 GPA.

[Anonymouse]

This is nothing new. I have been stating all this a long time, whether it is colorless bliss or Armenia fading in the next 100 years. But who cares?

As it goes in Armenian, "Asoghin lsogha petk".

[Thai-Samurai]

wow all that just cuz i made a one sarcastic comment

[Virgil]

IT was one of those inspiring moments. ;)

[Shiva]

We are ready to solve our problems with them and you obstruct both sides with your blind hatred.

if you are ready to solve the problems, you get all the other Turks to go to your own government, and get them to apologize for murdering millions of Armenians. It isn't like it will solve the problem, but it would be a big step - the fact that they flat out deny it happened and will not apologize is one of the many reasons that we have problems.

You don't deny or hide the genocide of millions, and saying "lets get along that was a while ago" doesn't cut it unless you try to fix the scars of the past. Your government has to take this step, and at the moment, they flat out refuse.

[Virgil]

if you are ready to solve the problems, you get all the other Turks to go to your own government, and get them to apologize for murdering millions of Armenians. It isn't like it will solve the problem, but it would be a big step - the fact that they flat out deny it happened and will not apologize is one of the many reasons that we have problems.

You don't deny or hide the genocide of millions, and saying "lets get along that was a while ago" doesn't cut it unless you try to fix the scars of the past. Your government has to take this step, and at the moment, they flat out refuse.

HAHA...fat chance this happens. Now they want us to return lands won during the Armenian-Azeri conflict. xxxx the genocide, I dont' care about it because the more you debate about it the more realize how pointless it is. Even if Turks did accept the genocide, do you honestly think the already bankrupt Turkish government will give any sort of compensation? The only thing that angers me is how they use a double standard for everything. They are occupying half of Cyprus, but yet they want Armenia to give back what they deem "occupired land". How hypocritcal is that? I mean think about it for a second, its like me shoting a guy and then telling another person that it is wrong to aim a gun at another person. The idoicy is just to much to bare. Like I said they want "bygones to be bygones", but yet they whine, complain and moan about the losses of Azerbaijan. Turks are like xxxxxs, they will prostitute themselves for any sort of compensation. They are whoring and selling out their Islamic values in order to be a lab dog for the EU. The EU will basically bend them over when it comes down to EU negotiations and clean them out.

[guaco]

HAHA...fat chance this happens. Now they want us to return lands won during the Armenian-Azeri conflict. xxxx the genocide, I dont' care about it because the more you debate about it the more realize how pointless it is. Even if Turks did accept the genocide, do you honestly think the already bankrupt Turkish government will give any sort of compensation? The only thing that angers me is how they use a double standard for everything. They are occupying half of Cyprus, but yet they want Armenia to give back what they deem "occupired land". How hypocritcal is that? I mean think about it for a second, its like me shoting a guy and then telling another person that it is wrong to aim a gun at another person. The idoicy is just to much to bare. Like I said they want "bygones to be bygones", but yet they whine, complain and moan about the losses of Azerbaijan. Turks are like xxxxxs, they will prostitute themselves for any sort of compensation. They are whoring and selling out their Islamic values in order to be a lab dog for the EU. The EU will basically bend them over when it comes down to EU negotiations and clean them out.

One thing. It is not Turkey but the international community (I mean everyone except Armenia) that claim from Armenia to give back the lands they occupied. So don't get angry with us, personaly I don't care too much Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict.

[Virgil]

One thing. It is not Turkey but the international community (I mean everyone except Armenia) that claim from Armenia to give back the lands they occupied. So don't get angry with us, personaly I don't care too much Armenia-Azerbaijan conflict.

No, the international lobby has a no stance on the issue. Stop talking out of your ass. They have stated that the peace process can only be resolved between Artsahk Armenians and the Azeri government. Not even the Armenian government can persuade the Artsahk Armenians. Stop talking out of your ass.

[guaco]

No, the international lobby has a no stance on the issue. Stop talking out of your ass. They have stated that the peace process can only be resolved between Artsahk Armenians and the Azeri government. Not even the Armenian government can persuade the Artsahk Armenians. Stop talking out of your ass.
After occupation of the Azerbaijani territories, the UN Security Council adopted Resolutions 822, 853, 874, 884 that demand immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Armenian armed forces from the territory of Azerbaijan and return of refugees and internally displaced persons to their homes.
But please don't push me into the argument. I am not a side and really don't care.

[bell-the-cat]

No, the international lobby has a no stance on the issue. Stop talking out of your ass. They have stated that the peace process can only be resolved between Artsahk Armenians and the Azeri government. Not even the Armenian government can persuade the Artsahk Armenians. Stop talking out of your ass.

You are way too optomistic, and Gauco is factually correct.
All powerful countries tend to support the status-quo regarding border changes. This is because they either have their own oppressed minorities wanting freedom, or they have stratiegic allies that have their oppressed minorities wanting freedom.

[bell-the-cat]

We are ready to solve our problems with them and you obstruct both sides with your blind hatred.

Guaco, now it is you that is overly optimistic. :)

This is a message board. Nothing is ever solved on a message board! That's not what it's for. A message board where people come to get mutual congratulations from their pals, or to show off their stereotypes or weird beliefs, or to indulge in their own little hate-fest. :evil:

And a couple of years later they are all gone (grown up I hope) - to be replaced by an entirely different set of people, but still identical in behaviour. :) Remember, this is a world where any eejit with an inflated ego and a 100 dollar computer can convince himself that he is his own little god of the internet.

[guaco]

Guaco, now it is you that is overly optimistic. :)

This is a message board. Nothing is ever solved on a message board! That's not what it's for. A message board where people come to get mutual congratulations from their pals, or to show off their stereotypes or weird beliefs, or to indulge in their own little hate-fest. :evil:

And a couple of years later they are all gone (grown up I hope) - to be replaced by an entirely different set of people, but still identical in behaviour. :) Remember, this is a world where any eejit with an inflated ego and a 100 dollar computer can convince himself that he is his own little god of the internet.

Yes, OK. You ar right, I started to feel as if I'm a Turkish diplomat responsable from Turk-Armenian relations :)
Yes, everybody has its own belief,
it was enjoyable before but now I got bored to reply the stereotypes.
Sooo, I promise myself that even you claim that Turks came from Mars, I won't care...

[HyeJinx1984]

Turks are from Mars, Armenians are from Venus.

[bell-the-cat]

...And the rest of us are from dear, green, planet Earth. :wave:

[bell-the-cat]

Nothing is ever solved on a message board! That's not what it's for. A message board where people come to get mutual congratulations from their pals, or to show off their stereotypes or weird beliefs, or to indulge in their own little hate-fest.

Oops, sorry guys, I've just realised I have written the above wrongly. I wanted to write it as "A message board is where people come..." I was making a general comment about all on-line boards / forums, and wasn't inplying that there is something specifically wrong with this message board.

[bell-the-cat]

was enjoyable before but now I got bored to reply the stereotypes.

Well, rather than leave, just observe, or try just to ask specific questions, or point out what you know for 100% (110%) certain are specific mistakes.

[IvyLipstick]

Armenian empire? The last time that happened the Armenians ended up with a euphemeral solid reign but they fell severely. In general, even if suddenly the country of Armenia was to "form" an empire that would not be a good choice. How the hell would they get their supplies and from where? That would be a very foolish and unsafe move and quite foolish. There are more odds in Armenia's way that it can barely survive on its own let alone seek outside aid for any necessary supply--all of your land that contains the essential blessed nutrients and minerals you need to survive belongs now to a guy from a savage horde who bows to a rug. Come on, think realistically, that would be too much of a fairy tale to even ponder, especially with what is going on in now a days world powers aka empires today. It would be digging your own xxxx hole as a trap and falling in it and if you disagree with this and wonder why just simply observe all of the factors of the powerful nations today of how and as to why they are where they are. See what and where a little recovering nation that is small like Armenia is and what it is lacking.

[IvyLipstick]

Yes, OK. You ar right, I started to feel as if I'm a Turkish diplomat responsable from Turk-Armenian relations :)
Yes, everybody has its own belief,
it was enjoyable before but now I got bored to reply the stereotypes.
Sooo, I promise myself that even you claim that Turks came from Mars, I won't care...
WHAT? :laugh: "Yes, everybody has its own belief,"

Speaking of mistakes here on the forum.

[garegin]

this thread was a joke. armenian govt can never want or plan such a reconquista. We can barely make UN recognize NK as a ligidimate part of armenia.

[fIReBuRntInHeLL]

Once again, I say: shoone ge haché...


....karvane ke kocha!!!!!

[Shiva]

Turks are from Mars, Armenians are from Venus.

Yeah, I learned that the hard way. Back on the subject... It is time to reform Urartu!

[Thai-Samurai]

Turks are from Mars, Armenians are from Venus.
Thats so funny,
We need Dr. Phil to visit the region

[HyeJinx1984]

this thread was a joke. armenian govt can never want or plan such a reconquista. We can barely make UN recognize NK as a ligidimate part of armenia.

The frustrating thing is that our diaspora could be SUCH a great tool of infiltration. Armenians in general are not poor people... in Armenia, yes, because there's no work... but look at any Armenian in any country and you'll find business men, almost all sucessful people. i can honestly say I've never met an Armenian who was 1st or 2nd generation that wasn't well off... and slowly but surely I'm finding out more and more are getting into politics. I know it sounds like a xxx move, and it is, but Goddamnit... so many influencial Armenians around the world can't tip anything in our favor? Lazy xxxxs...

[Otto]

when i start to think (it takes time and warming) it comes to my mind that if we Turks are really sure that we are right about the genocide thing we should open the borders because if we do not, that means we are forcing you to abondon your claims by making your life harder... if we are really right then we would not need to do that do we? and it is not good to blockade your neighbour....

[Thai-Samurai]

when i start to think (it takes time and warming) it comes to my mind that if we Turks are really sure that we are right about the genocide thing we should open the borders because if we do not, that means we are forcing you to abondon your claims by making your life harder... if we are really right then we would not need to do that do we? and it is not good to blockade your neighbour....

I guess that's reasonable, and I think it makes sense but I'm not sure.
I just want Armenians and Armenia to become a model nation. Then we can only be succesfull and the world will
proud to have us here.
Yesterday at the Spitak Rescue Center, where I go rock climbing. A German man came. Apparently his friend, Gerhard Maier came to Armenia during the earthquake of 88 and opened food places and also created the Spitak Rescue Center. He's dead now, so his friend came and we stood around his cross dedicated to him in front of the building and he gave a small speech in German than in English.( So only I understood what he was saying, it's because his partner was filming.) Then he blessed us all on the forehead by drawing a cross, and hoped that Armenia had a good future. And he said that Germany will be our friend through dark and light. It was very emotional for me to hear this German man say all that. I hope one day Armenia can help Germany in any way possible.

However putting the 1915 Genocide aside. Turks participated in Armenian massacrs in 1895, and also at one point managed to surround Yerevan and were barely thrown away because of the bravery of women and children helping in the fight.

[HyeGuy]

Take Georigia? We are freinds with those guys. They are allright, if anything take Turkey, Mongolia, China, Russia, and Iran.

[eMachine]

So who thinks we should strike out and take Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iran and create a new Empire?

:wave:
hey mr onion! which population you will create empire??? which money you will use? which army?!

and you, mentoined that "you are like germans situation", yeah mr idiots, Germans population and economy was better than you have now. you have no industry, no economy, no military...

why you always dream? oh actually diaspora can make you cyber-empire in the net =))

[Martin]

So who thinks we should strike out and take Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan and Iran and create a new Empire?

:wave:

Sorry but I think that its a bullsh*t.......I mean .......lets talk about real things. for example............what can we do to be right in Armenia. :(

[IAmMadAtAC]

Sorry but I think that its a bullsh*t.......I mean .......lets talk about real things. for example............what can we do to be right in Armenia. :(

Seriously, there's nothing constructive about making threads dedicated to totally absolutely impossible things. Especially including Iran in that group of places to attack... as if we weren't already isolated enough let's attack a country that would be forced to destroy us and up until that time had been our only ally. Sounds fun!

[Dihya]

Why create war? while there is already enough war in the world!
Why want more land? while you already have enough land, beter infest the money to make Armenia even more beautiful and less poor! then always wanting more land!

Some people truly want to much!

[Ozgur]

in a sense, yeah we are in a situation like the germans. I say we take out the nations who are not protected by an umbrella; Georgia and Azerbaijan.

You think Azerbaijan has no umbrella? You think Turkey will let Armenia touch Azerbaian? lol, if you didnt know Azerbaijan is Turkeys biggest ally of all.

[Thai-Samurai]

You think Azerbaijan has no umbrella? You think Turkey will let Armenia touch Azerbaian? lol, if you didnt know Azerbaijan is Turkeys biggest ally of all.

Maybe... I don't know.

[TomServo]

You think Azerbaijan has no umbrella? You think Turkey will let Armenia touch Azerbaian? lol, if you didnt know Azerbaijan is Turkeys biggest ally of all.
You keep telling yourself that.

[FLUCKY BOY]

i have been followin the forum for rather long time..i like this club..and,
yes you must beat turks ,azeris,iranians,in order to establish an empire...
isnt it the actual aspiration of genocide-fighters ?
Also turks must do so,and greeks,arabians,iranians,japanese ,indians too...everybody...
what a fun could it be.....the world would be a paradise..
hey fellows!
Also do you think like me ? armenian fellows..!
most of your fierce people wish so ,i know...

chhhhheeww...

[TomServo]

Another Turk bites the dust.

[FLUCKY BOY]

Another Turk bites the dust.
Also do you think like me ? armenian fellows..!
yes i love this club..and i see that almost all of the fellows here are very
moderate and peaceloving..and dont like foolish dreams...
i love everybody...and i believe armenians must be closer to turks instead of strange feelings..that is much better...
chhheeewwww...

[TomServo]

thinktwice's English seems like Shakespeare right about now...

[FLUCKY BOY]

wooooww...
i admired that statement

[TomServo]

Perhaps instead of wasting your time admiring my statements you could teach yourself some English.

[FLUCKY BOY]

thanks for your advice ..i ll keep that ..be sure..
love u
chhheewww

[TomServo]

Love you too honey.