Pontiac trans am

[sweetpumpkin]

YAH CATCH THIS UP
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[TeamSTEALTH]

is that your car?

[Harut82]

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[NarEkoO]

F-Bodies are awsome.

[GSTracer05]

Dude, that's one ugly car.

[Harut82]

Dude, that's one ugly car.
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[Crimson Glow]

Dude, that's one ugly car.http://www.socalrsxforums.com/forums/images/smilies/werd.gif

Uhhhh, let me get this straight. You think the WS6 Ram Air TA is ugly, but those bland, tasteless, sh*ty, compact tin can imports look good???? Pardon me a second....

*walks away*

AAAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!! AAAAAHAHAHAHA!!! Oh man! HAHAHAHAHA!!!

Ok, I'm done

*snickers uncontrollably*

No I'm not....AAAAAHAHAHAHAHA!!! AAAAAHAHAHA!!!!......

[GSTracer05]

Yes. It's ugly. The front end is terrible looking. Look at those oversized fog lights. That so called front plate holder spot that serves no purpose. And the flip up lights? (sorry, the smokey and the bandit days are past). What about the crappy interior? Just look at those a/c dials. A crappy 29.99/day rental car has a better interior. And the rear lights? honeycomb pattern is ancient.

Also, before you make yourself an even bigger fool by laughing, I did not compare the car to your average import like 18k-25k pricetag eclipse, civic, celica etc.. Imports also include european cars. Compared to cars such as Porsche, Ferrari, even imports such as the Supra, Skyline, NSX, even the G35 coupe, I find that car ugly. Corvette = beautiful. Trans Am = Ugly. If it was such a popular and good looking car, why is it discontinued while one of its competitors, the Mustang, is in full production.

[Crimson Glow]

Yes. It's ugly. The front end is terrible looking. Look at those oversized fog lights. That so called front plate holder spot that serves no purpose. And the flip up lights? (sorry, the smokey and the bandit days are past). What about the crappy interior? Just look at those a/c dials. A crappy 29.99/day rental car has a better interior. And the rear lights? honeycomb pattern is ancient.

Also, before you make yourself an even bigger fool by laughing, I did not compare the car to your average import like 18k-25k pricetag eclipse, civic, celica etc.. Imports also include european cars. Compared to cars such as Porsche, Ferrari, even imports such as the Supra, Skyline, NSX, even the G35 coupe, I find that car ugly. Corvette = beautiful. Trans Am = Ugly. If it was such a popular and good looking car, why is it discontinued while one of its competitors, the Mustang, is in full production.

We have only to look at your reasoning and rational to realize who the fool here is (and I mean your lack of knowledge, not your opinion). Take, for example, your comment about the "smokey and the bandit" looks of the flip up headlights. Just one problem, sir. Smokey's generation of TAs didn't HAVE flip ups! The flip up lights didn't start until about a good 5 years AFTER/next generation F-body. Also, that front plate holder spot has plenty of purpose. What you're looking at, there, is a license plate filler panel because the owner didn't wan't an ugly ass front plate on his car. Lots of people do that with many cars. By the way, did you forget that the "Beautiful 'Vette" made a trademark out of those flip ups as well until the C6?

Now, as to your personal taste statements:
I disagree on the "oversized fog lights" theory. With the hood shut, the varying proportions of the front end styling ques all come together very nicely (ie - small turn signals & day time running lights, bigger foglights & ram air vents/scoops, etc). It balances out perfectly. And for anyone who has seen those tail lights without the honey comb pattern, there's no way in hell they'd go without them. Everything was designed to give the car an aggressive, eat you for breakfast look. And what exactly is it that makes it a "crappy interior"? What exactly is nicer on the $29.99 rental car? Are you one of those fooled by slightly better looking cheap plastic?

You know, I've heard quite a few complaints about F-bodies before (many of which have validity to them), but being an ugly car was never one of them. I can honestly say I've never heard a bad remark about its looks before, not even from hardcore ricers (I'm not calling you a ricer, I mean in general). As to why they aren't being made anymore, I certainly hope you're not implying that it had anything to do with the looks. That same generation design was used for about a decade. So why'd they stop make it while the Mustang goes on? Simple. For starters, the executives at GM are retards. You need only look at their new line-up of cars to see proof of this. They have no idea where they're going, or what they're doing. There excuse that the American public no longer wants a gas guzzeling muscle car was a load of crap, as the fact that they decided to launch another gas guzzeling V8, the GTO, proves. Also, the Mustang out sold the Camaro/TA for one simple reason: girls. No, I don't mean they picked up more chicks. I mean more blonde haired, know absolutely nothing about what they're driving bimbos bought the Mustangs. To understand why, one needs only sit in both types of cars. The F-bodies seat low to the ground, and in a slightly laid back position, much like a muscle/sports car should. While not completely up right, the Mustang seats (and has an over all stance) a hell of a lot more like a "normal" car (all be it a small one), which is certainly going to be more appealing to the 16-30 year old "I want a sporty, cool car!" female market. It sure as hell wasn't for its performance, as that "competitor" didn't have a 300 hp V8 until the release of this new one, and their V6s far outsold their V8s.

Lastly, I assumed you'd be comparing it to the "around $25K" import market because A. There's a picture of one in your avatar, and B. That's about what (a bit more fully loaded) a Ram Air TA costs. Obviously, it would be idiotic to pin it up against cars that are $60K+, not to mention, I find many of the cars you listed as lacking good looks themselves, like most Porsches, and the Skyline. And I can't stand those "Smokey and the Bandit" flip up headlights on the NSX! Someone better tell Acura/Honda that that look is ancient! (Ooops!) But in spite of the fact I like the look of some of the "exotic" makes you mentioned, all in all, I would still take a fully loaded WS6 over them. Far from being ugly, I think that that era TA is one of the greatest automotive works of art to ever to have been created. Unlike most cars, there isn't a single god damn thing I'd change on it. Just my $1.8 million in put.

[Sip]

... Just one problem, sir. Smokey's generation of TAs didn't HAVE flip ups! The flip up lights didn't start until about a good 5 years AFTER/next generation F-body. Also, that front plate holder spot has plenty of purpose. What you're looking at, there, is a license plate filler panel because the owner didn't wan't an ugly ass front plate on his car. Lots of people do that with many cars. By the way, did you forget that the "Beautiful 'Vette" made a trademark out of those flip ups as well until the C6?

That soooooooo reminded me of this:

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Lisa: The car made these two equal-length tire marks had POSITRACTION. Can't make those marks without positraction, which was not available on the 64 Buick Skylark!
Vinny: And why not? What is positraction?
Lisa: It's a limited slip differential which distributes power equally to both the right and left tires. The 64 Skylark had a regular differential which, anyone who's been stuck in the mud in Alabama knows, you step on the gas, one tire spins, the other tire does nothin'.
Vinny: Hm. Is that it?
Lisa: No, there's more! You see, when the left tire mark goes up on the curb and the right tire mark stays flat and even, well, the 64 Skylark had a solid rear axle, so when the left tire would go up on the curb, the right tire would tilt out and ride along its edge, but that didn't happen here, the tire mark stayed flat and even- this car had an independent rear suspension. Now, in the 60's, there were only two other cars made in America that had positraction and independent rear suspension, and enough power to make these marks. One was the Corvette, which could NEVER be confused with the Buick Skylark. The other had the same body length, height, width, weight, wheel base and wheel track as the 64 Skylark and that was the 1963 Pontiac Tempest.
Vinny: And because both cars were made by GM, were both cars available in metallic mint green paint?
Lisa: They WERE.
Vinny: Thank you Ms. Vito! No more questions. Thank you very very much. You've been a lovely, lovely witness!

[GSTracer05]

Can I get the summarized version of that post? I have a max, two small paragraph limit when it comes to reading forum posts.

[XxgoeyxX]

AHAHa your hilarious Seapahn...And by the way...I love the movie...its just awesome.

And cause I'm in the car forum at the moment....I like to wave hiiiii to all the boys..... :wave: ....OOhh..and I'm going to be a good sport and say the car is cute...but dont listen to me...I dont know anything about cars. :p

[GSTracer05]

You called the Pontiac TA "cute". You know that won't settle well with Mr. Glow over there. He may reply back with yet another page of posting.

[Harut82]

Far from being ugly, I think that that era TA is one of the greatest automotive works of art to ever to have been created. Unlike most cars, there isn't a single god damn thing I'd change on it. Just my $1.8 million in put.

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[Harut82]

As to why they aren't being made anymore, I certainly hope you're not implying that it had anything to do with the looks.

It probably wasn't just because of the looks but looks played a major part in my opinion

So why'd they stop make it while the Mustang goes on? Simple. For starters, the executives at GM are retards.

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Also, the Mustang out sold the Camaro/TA for one simple reason: girls.

Your joking right?? I bet there are 10x more Male mustang enthusiasts.
(p.s. im not a mustang fan)

To understand why, one needs only sit in both types of cars. The F-bodies seat low to the ground, and in a slightly laid back position, much like a muscle/sports car should. While not completely up right, the Mustang seats (and has an over all stance) a hell of a lot more like a "normal" car (all be it a small one),

Yes I agree the mustung is more like a normal car

It sure as hell wasn't for its performance, as that "competitor" didn't have a 300 hp V8 until the release of this new one, and their V6s far outsold their V8s.

But the V8's still outsold the Pontiacs



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[NarEkoO]

F-Bodies are awsome.
hahaha....you're xxxxtin me right?...haha...im with Glow on this one..

[Crimson Glow]

It probably wasn't just because of the looks but looks played a major part in my opinion

There's no need for opinions. If you'd do some research, you'd see never once was the subject of its looks brought up during all the discussions of its discontinuation, other then to comment how much the writers/magazines were going to miss its kick ass looks and demeanor. And since I highly doubt most people on this board know much about domestics, lets not go around forumlating opinions. I more then likely am the most knowledgeable about domestics on AC club (seeing as to how most members here live in south Cali, and have therefore been "yellow-washed". GO VAN DIESEL! :rolleyes: ), so I know a thing or two about such subjects, as I'm part of MANY domestic car clubs, both on and off line.


They stop making cars because people stop buying them not because they are retarded. I say its quite the opposite. You would have to be retarded to keep producing a car that nobody buys.

I'm not arguing that sales weren't down. I'm saying the styling had nothing to do with it. Remember, this "ugly" style sold VERY well for many years before its slow decline towards the end. Are you honestly telling me they got rid of this "ugly" TA only to introduce the.....GTO?? *shutters* That blows your whole ugly theory right there. Major corporations make boneheaded decisions all the time. Take for example the fact that American car companies have this ideal that hp and torque should be held back on their engines (F-bodies had identical motors to 'Vettes) so that you have to spring for their most expensive, cream of the crop vehicles in order to get the maximum stock performance. Meanwhile, imports try to offer as much as possible in ALL their models (save for the really cheap-o, econo boxes). Now...does this not strike you as a tad bit retarded on the American management's part? A couple of my cars are an odd ball Pontiac with AWD that 90% of mechanics today don't even know existed. Why? GM made a whopping 1,376 of them only in '89 (well...an entire 124 of them in '88, too) with this set-up. They spent a small fortune coming up with the drive-train, but did very little to push or promote them. I have every single magazine related article on them that I could find. When asked in those mags why the production number was so low, GM said "we're waiting to see what the public demand is for AWD". ????? :confused: How the f*ck is there going to be demand for a car if it has such low production numbers and lack of advertising that nobody even knows it's available??? And so, of course, it was discontinued the following year. BRILLIANT!

You see, I know domestic cars pretty well. I'm not calling myself an expert by any means, but when I make statements, I'm not going off personal opinion. I'm going off events in their history. I could list many such instances I'm aware of. Thus, when I say a lot of the decisions that these domestic corporate managements make is retarded, I'm going off more then blind personal opinion.


Your joking right?? I bet there are 10x more Male mustang enthusiasts.(p.s. im not a mustang fan)

Did I say the female enthusiasts out weigh the males? Read carefully. I said the female market was the deciding factor in which one out-sold the other. The discrepancy between male Camaro/Firebird buyers and male Mustang buyers was never significantly big. It's the 16-30 year old female buyers that put the Mustang over the top. I'm not stating opinions, I read lots about such things when the end of the F-body was approaching, and there was much talk about the whys.


Yes I agree the mustung is more like a normal car

Thus, it has no business being in the muscle car category. I mean, they came in your choice of a 5.0 V8, or ....a freaking FOUR banger back in the fox body days for christ's sakes (mid '80s to early '90s). There was also the issue of the mysteriously missing 20 hp on the '99 Cobra. And I still can't get over the fact that they're bragging about finally hitting the 300 hp marker for the GTs this year. The only good 'Stangs are the old Boss and Shelbys. Mmmmmm.....'67 Shelby GT 500.......


I think its idiotic to argue over whether a car is ugly or not because people have different tastes. But common it was so bad that they stopped making ithttp://www.socalrsxforums.com/forums/images/smilies/rotfl.gif

True, arguing over whether a car is aesthetically pleasing, or not, may be a bit trivial. But I'm only taken aback because I've never heard a derogatory comment about the F-bodies, not even from the most import loving, domestic hating ricers who would have every motive to say they thought it was ugly, even if they actually liked it. As for your second sentence there, no offense, but if you honestly believe the looks of the F-body had anything to do with its demise, you have no business discussing cars. Whether you personally liked the over all styling, or not, to believe that was an underlying reason is beyond retarded. I've listed a hand full of the actually reasons why sales declined, and others still apply (i.e. the issue that they were asking for way more money then their targeted consumer age group could afford, and it ended up being middle aged, mid-life crisis men that bought most of them), but no true car enthusiast with a shred of knowledge would honestly make such a comment as "they stopped making the Firebird because it was ugly". Sure, guy. It took them over 4 decades to figure this out? Wow, they must have been competing with the Turks to see how long they can keep up denial. Guess the Turks won.

[Harut82]

hahaha....you're xxxxtin me right?...haha...im with Glow on this one..

So why'd you get a C class if the F bodies were so great?

[Harut82]

You see, I know domestic cars pretty well. I'm not calling myself an expert by any means, but when I make statements, I'm not going off personal opinion. I'm going off events in their history. I could list many such instances I'm aware of. Thus, when I say a lot of the decisions that these domestic corporate managements make is retarded, I'm going off more then blind personal opinion.

I'm not questioning your konwledge of domestic cars.


Did I say the female enthusiasts out weigh the males? Read carefully. I said the female market was the deciding factor in which one out-sold the other. The discrepancy between male Camaro/Firebird buyers and male Mustang buyers was never significantly big.

I know exactly what your saying, but your wrong


I'll comment about the rest when I get more time.

Just out of curiocity What do you drive?

[NarEkoO]

So why'd you get a C class if the F bodies were so great?
German/European engineering>American engineering>other engineering

[Harut82]

German/European engineering>American engineering>other engineering

not gonna start that argument again :D

btw. why did you choose the c over the a4?

[sweetpumpkin]

Wats wrong with ya ppl its one awsome car n no TeamSTEALTH its not ma car its ma frnd car :D

[Crimson Glow]

Wats wrong with ya ppl its one awsome car n no TeamSTEALTH its not ma car its ma frnd car :D

I just noticed the plates. Where in IL does he live?

[NarEkoO]

not gonna start that argument again :D

btw. why did you choose the c over the a4?
RWD. i dont want AWD/FWD.

[Harut82]

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[80transam_az]

I have a 80 pontiac trans am hard top with a 301 v8 and my interior is wrecked up bad and i was wondering if u guys think $5,000 dollars would fix it up good cause im wanting to fix it up bad i live in az. thanks

[Sip]

yah $5000 will do wonders on interior just get some new seats and redo the carpet it's hard to say without knowing what your interior looks like but you could easily spend 5000 just on sound system so depends on what u mean by fix it up good. cool.

[andrewr]

oh come on! :D
he was right you know! Mustangs are mostly chick's cars, drivin by late 20 to early 30 year old mothers who want to cling to their teenage years and know nothing about cars. (Mustangs are not something girls less than 20 can afford to drive in my area!:p )
it could be worse though, where i live there is a 4 door sedan with cheap flame stickers all over it, green underglo, etc, who's owner is handicapped!
ugly 4 door with flame stikers? no thanks!
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[andrewr]

...ricer car in the handicapepd spot of a school parking lot...nice huh?

[MrLeftyHye]

oh come on! :D
he was right you know! Mustangs are mostly chick's cars, drivin by late 20 to early 30 year old mothers who want to cling to their teenage years and know nothing about cars. (Mustangs are not something girls less than 20 can afford to drive in my area!:p )
it could be worse though, where i live there is a 4 door sedan with cheap flame stickers all over it, green underglo, etc, who's owner is handicapped!
ugly 4 door with flame stikers? no thanks!
:laugh:
Mustangs are mostly chick cars.
What kind of car is mostly for men?

[Crimson Glow]

Mustangs are mostly chick cars.
What kind of car is mostly for men?

Look at it this way. Even the 3800 V6 powered f-bodies were nearly as quick/powerful as the V8 Mustangs of the previous era. The V8 powered f-bodies (same engine as the 'Vette, just detuned) have been producing over 300 hp for years, where as the Mustang V8's didn't hit the 300 marker till the current make over (2005 & up), several years AFTER production on the f-bodies had ended. So you decide. ;)

In spite of the power difference, the main reason the Mustangs ended up being the preferred choice for chicks looking for a "cool car" is price. The price factor killed their target market in general. These were supposed to be affordable, balls-out muscle cars for those in their 20's and 30's. But GM kept making the f-bodies more and more expensive, and it hurt them immensely. Hell, a 30th anniversary Camaro cost over $38k in '97. That's absurd! You could get a 6.0L 400hp GTO for less than that TODAY! And that's STILL considered too expensive/caused the demise of the GTO. The big concern with fans when this 5th gen Camaro comes out next year is if you can get one with the V8 without having to get it pregrouped in an expensive options package, like you could in the olden days. This would help keep the costs down for those that don't want everything under the sun. Just ass kicking performance. We shall see.

[acarlover5]

i think that older trans am's like the 1968-1979 were the best becuse of the big block engines eg:400 cid w/335 -345 bhp(1969)or 345 350 or 370 bhp(1970) or 1971 455 w/ 335 bhp (1971) 300 (1972) 290(1973-74) or 400 w/ 220 bhp (1973-79) or 455 w/ 260 bhp (1976)