Gene-Splicing and Armenians

[Thai-Samurai]

I guess this fits into "Armenian Politics."
I think Armenians should practice gene splicing w/ other races. Since Armenians don't want to contaminate our gene pool w/ other races. We should do it very carefully. For example, it's sad that all Armenian guys or girls have to marry another Armenian. So what we do is we let one Armenian marry a hot Chinese chick for example. Now the second part is the most crucial phase of the genesplicing. The Armenian and Chinese couples kid's have to marry Armenians again, or our genes will go astray. That way, you'll have a 75% Armenian, but w/ Chinese inside them. Creating a super race.
That way if a guy wants a little Chinese in his wife, he can simply marry a girl who was previously spliced into Armenianness.

Just an idea I don't really know.

[sSsflamesSs]

Haha dude, not even in the next life, but (not to sound racist or anything...ahhh what the hell, why not!?) I CANNOT understand your attraction to Asians for the life of me!!!

[Thai-Samurai]

the point is it doesnt "have" to be asians, it could be anybody, like uh, well I can't think of another culture who's genes we could benefit from.

[Thai-Samurai]

It takes time to learn to appreciate Asian women. But that's not the point of this thread. What I'm getting at is that we can pretty much evolve the Armenian gene pool, literally by choosing who to accept into our genes, and then quarantining it so it doesnt get loose. So for example the child who has a Chinese mother and Armenian Father. He marries another Armenian, and their kids marry another Armenian now you've effectively adopted and evolved the Armenian genes. See what I'm saying?
We can find a really smart German engineer or something, and convince him to marry an Armenian in he's 20's. Oh wait better yet, we can just take the "essence" of let's say a German genius. And make a test tube baby. Then give that baby an Armenian marriage. That way we'll increase the chances of an Armenian genius.

[!EEK]

Hey I'm half armenian and half a bunch of other origine, french being to most important.. and I still think marrying an Armo girl would be much easier. I wont have to explain for hours whats armenia, teach her armenian (like my father did to my mom), etc...

ANyone willing to marry me? :naughty:

[!EEK]

Thanks for xxxxing ruining my day with this xxxxing bullxxxx

Oooh If this ruined your day you must have some lousy days at your disposal... :rolleyes:

[!EEK]

Go post in "whats the matter with non-pure armenians" and flame me..

[!EEK]

You said in a previous post that you were half armenian and half "other genes", mainly French. Why would I flame you? In fact, why would I flame anyone who is of mixed race. It is not their fault.
But anyway, the key point there is mixed "race".
I do not consider someone who is half armenian and half french to be of mixed race. Is a Greek-Italian racially mixed?

Man I don't even ask myself questions about that...sure an african and a chinese would be wierd but thats all...

[!EEK]

Haha, yeah typical. No, that comment was not specifically an attack towards you, just society in general.
So... an Armenian and an African, or an Armenian and a Chinese, or other Asian, would not be "weird"? That would be "cool"?
:laugh:

WHy not? Sorry for sounding like a crappy cheap romatic film but if they love each other I don't see any problems with that..it's maybe a plus since we expand our "armenianesse"

[!EEK]

What? Please explain to me how we expand our "armenianness" by having mixed race children with an African or Asian?

Okay, take my exemple: My dad married a non armenian woman. She accepted it WHILE armenians where placing bombs in France to make the state recognize the genocide. Anyway, my dad teached armenian to my mom and now she speaks it perfectly.

I still have an Armenian name so, yeah, armenianesse expanded

[Tigranes]

French, or any other Euro + Armenian can always = 100% Armenian

Negro,Asian,Arab or any other non-White + Armenian can NEVER be Armenian irregardles if they have the name, speak the language, go to the Church or fight in the frontlines.

[!EEK]

But Tigrane, here you are talking about apparence then....Look at my pic, do I look armenian?

[!EEK]

I honestly wonder what the Armenians IN Armenia think about all this? What would be the general opinion if they saw Armenians walking down the street with a Black person holding hands?
No I'm serious, if people know please tell me. My personal guess is that they would not like it.

Many Armenians of Armenia regard diaspora Armenian with disgust. So in any case, they won't even argue with us. Am I wrong?

[Tigranes]

But Tigrane, here you are talking about apparence then....Look at my pic, do I look armenian?

Yes. You look 100% Armenian.

[XxgoeyxX]

It takes time to learn to appreciate Asian women.


Yes and how annoying they are when they drive.

[Tigranes]

Many Armenians of Armenia regard diaspora Armenian with disgust. So in any case, they won't even argue with us. Am I wrong?

That's false. They regard those in disgust who behave and act Middle Eastern. Those that have preserved their Euro heritage and values are fine. Likewise many in Armenia have abandoned their Euro heritage replacing it with xxxish/Commie or Persian/Caucasus/Georgian ones.

We have a lot of rehabilitation to do on both ends.

[dstyle]

Ya that was very stupid. I can't beleive you actually sat and thought that Thai.

[Anonymouse]

You are speaking of an inter-ethnic situation. Which when it comes down to it I don't really have a problem. There are links between say Armenians and certain European countries in terms of religion, culture and history, what links are there between us and Africans or Asians?(I'm not picking on them, but I used them as an example and I am sticking to that). Take your family, which I must state again I have absolutely no problem with so don't get the wrong idea, do you think it would have been the same if your father married a Sudanese person? Or a Vietnamese person? Ofcourse not.

This isn't about "omg I hate black people!". It's about preservation, about keeping our culture, and everything that makes up our history intact and the way it has been always. This is the same argument used by White Nationalists. And I agree with it. If I am some ignorant racist because I wish to protect and preserve my own kind then I wholeheartedly accept that. :)
When xxxs stick to xxxs, or Asians stick to Asians that is not considered racism and "oh, how horribly ignorant!" is it? I just don't think we Armenians have survived through a history that when it comes down to it can be described as completely unfair and against massive odds just so that the children of this generation and the people of today intermix with other races because that is "cool" and that is what they see on MTV or some other bullxxxx.

I honestly wonder what the Armenians IN Armenia think about all this? What would be the general opinion if they saw Armenians walking down the street with a Black person holding hands?
No I'm serious, if people know please tell me. My personal guess is that they would not like it.

xxxs know about this more than any other people, which is why they have been so successful. They know that the rise and fall of civilizations is based on the people who create that culture - if they mix and dilute, so goes the civilization and changes into something else. It's also part of the reason why Western Civilization including Armenians will not last beyond 2100.

[!EEK]

Lets all meet in the thread "Whats wrong with non-pure armenians" :rolleyes:

[Tigranes]

You are an idiot, simply put.

Ditto.

We will survive!

[Anonymouse]

Lets all meet in the thread "Whats wrong with non-pure armenians" :rolleyes:

As someone already pointed out, nothing is wrong, depends on what the mixture is from.

[HyePrincess]

I guess this fits into "Armenian Politics."
I think Armenians should practice gene splicing w/ other races. Since Armenians don't want to contaminate our gene pool w/ other races. We should do it very carefully. For example, it's sad that all Armenian guys or girls have to marry another Armenian. So what we do is we let one Armenian marry a hot Chinese chick for example. Now the second part is the most crucial phase of the genesplicing. The Armenian and Chinese couples kid's have to marry Armenians again, or our genes will go astray. That way, you'll have a 75% Armenian, but w/ Chinese inside them. Creating a super race.
That way if a guy wants a little Chinese in his wife, he can simply marry a girl who was previously spliced into Armenianness.

Just an idea I don't really know.



:eek: OMG I HAD THE SAME IDEA :eek: but for some reason i just want pure pure armenian babies this idea will be great if we had millions and millions of armenians but we dont so no :p

[Crimson Glow]

:eek: OMG I HAD THE SAME IDEA :eek: but for some reason i just want pure pure armenian babies this idea will be great if we had millions and millions of armenians but we dont so no :p

There in lies the problem. While you guys debate this pointless argument, all I can think about is how the majority of Western Armenians shouldn't be having babies of any kind, PERIOD, 100% Armenian, or not. Thus why discussions like this mean nothing to me. If I could, I'd take a flame thrower to half the Cali Armos I've run into on the AC chat room. Marrying 100% Armenian, and pushing/preserving the culture sure hasn't done much for the quality of Armenians as individuals.

[Tigranes]

There in lies the problem. While you guys debate this pointless argument, all I can think about is how the majority of Western Armenians shouldn't be having babies of any kind, PERIOD, 100% Armenian, or not. Thus why discussions like this mean nothing to me. If I could, I'd take a flame thrower to half the Cali Armos I've run into on the AC chat room. Marrying 100% Armenian, and pushing/preserving the culture sure hasn't done much for the quality of Armenians as individuals.

Over 500 years of living with and next to savage dune coons and asiatic invaders leaves some undesirable results.
Give it a generation or two. We are just getting back on our feet.

[!EEK]

There in lies the problem. While you guys debate this pointless argument, all I can think about is how the majority of Western Armenians shouldn't be having babies of any kind, PERIOD, 100% Armenian, or not. Thus why discussions like this mean nothing to me. If I could, I'd take a flame thrower to half the Cali Armos I've run into on the AC chat room. Marrying 100% Armenian, and pushing/preserving the culture sure hasn't done much for the quality of Armenians as individuals.

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If thats what you are thinking http://the-barracks.net/forum/images/smilies/tennisclap.gif

[Thai-Samurai]

This is how genetics works, you have an armenian and french couple. Their baby is 50/50 Armenian French. Their kids marry armenians, their kids marry armenians, their kids marry armenians. And they'll eventually be practically armenian again. The point being, Whatever good qualities the French had, will stay in our gene pool, yet will still be entirely Armenian.

[!EEK]

This is how genetics works, you have an armenian and french couple. Their baby is 50/50 Armenian French. Their kids marry armenians, their kids marry armenians, their kids marry armenians. And they'll eventually be practically armenian again. The point being, Whatever good qualities the French had, will stay in our gene pool, yet will still be entirely Armenian.

Exactly! :D http://the-barracks.net/forum/images/smilies/2thumbs.gif

[Thai-Samurai]

There in lies the problem. While you guys debate this pointless argument, all I can think about is how the majority of Western Armenians shouldn't be having babies of any kind, PERIOD, 100% Armenian, or not. Thus why discussions like this mean nothing to me. If I could, I'd take a flame thrower to half the Cali Armos I've run into on the AC chat room. Marrying 100% Armenian, and pushing/preserving the culture sure hasn't done much for the quality of Armenians as individuals.


Here we go from not liking my idea to burning to death all Armenians in California. My point is that specefic individual, here name CrimsonGlow obviously has bad genes. Now Armenian ladies wouldn't you rather atleast marry a smart (cute) midget, than carry that dude's genes on?

[Tres Bien]

a smart guy, yes like crimson glow. What makes you think marrying an ODAR will make us stay MORE armenian or perserving of the culture?
what ru thinking with?

[!EEK]

a smart guy, yes like crimson glow. What makes you think marrying an ODAR will make us stay MORE armenian or perserving of the culture?
what ru thinking with?

We could also say that raising armenian kids in other countries wont preserve armenian culture. Indeed, the way of life is totally different and what good could it be to their own armenian culture? Thinking like this will make all armenians living outside of armenia ODARS. And thats bullxxxx.

[xBaron Dants]

Um, so who exactly has confirmed that out of every population in the world, it is we Armenians who have bad genes and can only save ourselves by having sex with Chinese people?

And why will we only get the Chinese people's qualities? I mean, what if you want to get the Chinese nose, because you think our noses are big, but you end up having a short kid with a big nose?

It can truly be entertaining to watch how incredibly insecure we are sometimes. As for me, I'll be perfectly happy with my child, despite the flagrant lack of genetic engineering that he might have..

[sleuth]

a smart guy, yes like crimson glow. What makes you think marrying an ODAR will make us stay MORE armenian or perserving of the culture?
what ru thinking with?


Odars are superior and they possess better qualities. Thats the point he comes across.This menatality which indicates syndrom of insecurity needs to be eradicated .That's the only way we can preserve our kind as a race (white/eouropian) and our Armenianity.

It can truly be entertaining to watch how incredibly insecure we are sometimes.

And I quote.

[Tres Bien]

Call it insecurity if you want, or ignorance -Congratulations you' have become as ignorant as a european or an "odar"!

EKK most of us are raised in other countries. To encourage armenians to mix to perserve the culture, there is no sense in that.

We have to strenghten our culture, the best thing to do is to start with ourselves...not to try to be like xxx, or chinese person.

[xBaron Dants]

There in lies the problem. While you guys debate this pointless argument, all I can think about is how the majority of Western Armenians shouldn't be having babies of any kind, PERIOD, 100% Armenian, or not. Thus why discussions like this mean nothing to me. If I could, I'd take a flame thrower to half the Cali Armos I've run into on the AC chat room. Marrying 100% Armenian, and pushing/preserving the culture sure hasn't done much for the quality of Armenians as individuals.

And you base this on what exactly? On the not even 1% of them that you have met in your lifetime?

Aaakh, the curse of the self-hating Armenian...

[sleuth]

-Congratulations you' have become as ignorant as a european or an "odar"!

.

Amadeus Karine ,if you are refering this to me then you missed my sarcasm and point.

[Tres Bien]

No I understood that, and I was not refering to you!

[!EEK]

There's no need to get winded up. Calm down... pfiouuuu :confused:

[XxgoeyxX]

Common sense tells me the only reason Thai-Samurai started this thread was so he can justify his own needs, not the culture.


Or the fulfillment in his craving for attention.

[!EEK]

It's true, He sent me this PM and IM NOT JOKING!!....I don't know if I should post it here though...he might get upset...sorry guys, won't do it!

But it's about asian girls and how you must be on the look out to be able to take in their beauty, which takes a while, he said.

[xBaron Dants]

Well, it definitely takes longer than the past 18 years of my life.

I still don't get the obsession with them..

[!EEK]

Well, it definitely takes longer than the past 18 years of my life.

I still don't get the obsession with them..

He didn't mentioned how long it took. He said "a while"... :D Every etnic group has its charm so let Thai be obsessed about asian girls. Don't make fun of him, he'll end up gay :(

AAaarg, Dantz, because of you I made an offtopic-gootioon (thanks for this expression, it's yours :p)

[xBaron Dants]

This is one of those threads where going off topic is healthier than staying on topic.

And you're welcome to use that expression anytime you please....as long as you credit me as your source. :D

[!EEK]

Off course and I'm also thinking that Mixing armenian topics are really not popular here..

Anyway here is another:

off-topicgootioon

[xBaron Dants]

I like that! Or you could maybe put it in your signature. :D

Anyways, congratulations on your new position as Moderator!

[HyeJinx1984]

I simply do not have the energy to agrue about this... but the short way of it is "I think you're wrong"

[!EEK]

I like that! Or you could maybe put it in your signature. :D

Anyways, congratulations on your new position as Moderator!

Thank you...just PM me who doyou want to be banned. I'll always help a friend

[xBaron Dants]

Thank you...just PM me who doyou want to be banned. I'll always help a friend

*Subtly points to the guy who thinks that Armenians should all be 25% Chinese*

[!EEK]

*Subtly points to the guy who thinks that Armenians should all be 25% Chinese*

I could have laughed aloud if it wasn't that early in the morning :p By the way, I'm going to sleep. Good Night

[Anonymouse]

There in lies the problem. While you guys debate this pointless argument, all I can think about is how the majority of Western Armenians shouldn't be having babies of any kind, PERIOD, 100% Armenian, or not. Thus why discussions like this mean nothing to me. If I could, I'd take a flame thrower to half the Cali Armos I've run into on the AC chat room. Marrying 100% Armenian, and pushing/preserving the culture sure hasn't done much for the quality of Armenians as individuals.

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Van Damme You!

[CatWoman]

Now the second part is the most crucial phase of the genesplicing. The Armenian and Chinese couples kid's have to marry Armenians again, or our genes will go astray. That way, you'll have a 75% Armenian, but w/ Chinese inside them. Creating a super race.

Imposible... come on now, people who aren't mixed grow up here and end up marrying non-armenians. 2 of my cousins just got married to Amergasis, and I'm positive their kids won't marry an armo either! I have a 5year old cousin armo/white, he can't even speak Armenian. He's gunna marry an Armo? No way.

Okay back to Asian girls. I think they are just nasty! I don't understand the obsession some guys (including my cousin, uhum) have with them! I can't find them a bit attractive. Plus, they can't drive!!! Yesterday, in the freeway this asian girl hits my car from behind and another asian man hits her car! And I was fully stopped cuz the line was blocked, good thing I didn't hit the car infront of me. So yeah, If you plan on marrying an Asian, good luck with your car insurance :D

[Crimson Glow]

It is truly entertaining to watch people fly off the handle, because they drop any attempts at an intelligent debate, and resort to 5th grader insults, and all due to their inability to understand simple concepts. Observe:

Here we go from not liking my idea to burning to death all Armenians in California. My point is that specefic individual, here name CrimsonGlow obviously has bad genes. Now Armenian ladies wouldn't you rather atleast marry a smart (cute) midget, than carry that dude's genes on?

Your ability to formulate a response that eludes the subject you're responding to is extraordinary. And yup, it would be such a tragedy if Armenians carried my genes. We'd have leaders and thinkers who would get back to pushing the envelope, and being the innovative people we once were, as opposed to the apathetic, complacent people Armenians living in America seem to be today. Have fun with your midgets. :wave:



a smart guy, yes like crimson glow. What makes you think marrying an ODAR will make us stay MORE armenian or perserving of the culture?
what ru thinking with?

Smart girl, where exactly did I say marrying an odar will better preserve our culture? To the contrary, I was trying to point out that the comment of marrying in race is far from a guarantee of turning out a quality product. The statement wasn't made to claim odars would serve better (still trying to figure out how you got that), but because I'm sick of people turning a blind eye to the fact that marrying Armenian hasn't really solved the problem, or done much to preserve the culture as it stands. A decent portion of Armenians in that region know nothing of our history (besides the initiation date of the genocide), or prefer to speak the language in slang, etc, and have instead, not only embraced American pop culture, but embraced the worst parts of it. So than, how does one of those trashy Armenians marrying another one secure our culture?

What am I thinking with? My analytical mind, as opposed to mere emotional response. You should all try it some time.



Odars are superior and they possess better qualities. Thats the point he comes across.This menatality which indicates syndrom of insecurity needs to be eradicated .That's the only way we can preserve our kind as a race (white/eouropian) and our Armenianity.
It can truly be entertaining to watch how incredibly insecure we are sometimes.

Ummmm.....what in any way, shape or form suggested I'm making the point that odars are superior?? And insecure?? LOL, oh man. Classic stuff. See above response to Tres Bien if you need to be spoon fed the correct meaning, instead of attaching some way off definition to what I write.


He is just plain stupid call it insecurity if you want, or ignorance -Congratulations you' have become as ignorant as a european or an "odar"!

EKK most of us are raised in other countries. To encourage armenians to mix to perserve the culture, there is no sense in that.

We have to strenghten our culture, the best thing to do is to start with ourselves...not to try to be like xxx, or chinese person.

I'm the one that's ignorant? But....you're the one getting all worked up and going off on a tangent on your wrongful, ignorant and twisted interpretation of what I wrote. So in fact, the only ones being stupid here are those that got bent out of shape over a simple, factual statement which you and others tore apart to put back together in a completely different form. It is amazing how far you can stretch and bend a persons words if you so feel like it. So much so, that it often no longer resembles what was original spoken/written. Hmmm.....that sounds kinda' familiar....

Congratulations - you have become as ignorant as most "heen khelkov" Armenians.


Over 500 years of living with and next to savage dune coons and asiatic invaders leaves some undesirable results.
Give it a generation or two. We are just getting back on our feet.

True, but I'd have to respectfully disagree on the "getting back on our feet" part. I don't see things improving with the up coming generations. In fact, I see quite the opposite. I can't envision those that are..."gone" for lack of a better term...miraculously finding interest in regaining their heritage, and going back to learn our history. Unfortunately, the grip that the negative aspects of America holds is tight, and is only getting tighter.



And you base this on what exactly? On the not even 1% of them that you have met in your lifetime?

Aaakh, the curse of the self-hating Armenian...

Don't be foolish, Baron. I clearly pointed out hating other Armenians, not myself. :p I don't hate myself.....or Paul :D (and from what I've read, he's added quite a few 100% pure babies to the Armenian population, the good Armenian he is! ;) ).

True, I've only spoken to a small portion of the poor excuses for human beings (let alone Armenians), but between that, and the number of people that complain about the existence of such a problem, I find it permissible to think there is reason for concern.

*In Principal Skinner voice: "Prove me wrong, kids! Prove me wrong!"*


So...so far, the only people with a half way decent response have been Tigranes and Baron (and Mousy was...well....was just being Mousy). Whether I agree with them, or not, at least they made an effort to support their stance, or question mine. The best the rest of you could do was the typical AC forum response of "I lack the capacity to understand complex thought/annalyze anything, and/or what you said made me upset, so I'm going to reply with meaningless insults as opposed to an actual argument". Bravo! Are all you folks trying to further prove my point? This is not about agreeing. But I'm sure even the youngest of you are too old to be resorting to kindergartner like tactics whenever you disagree. SO SHOW IT!!

[sSsflamesSs]

Okay back to Asian girls. I think they are just nasty! I don't understand the obsession some guys (including my cousin, uhum) have with them! I can't find them a bit attractive. Plus, they can't drive!!! Yesterday, in the freeway this asian girl hits my car from behind and another asian man hits her car! And I was fully stopped cuz the line was blocked, good thing I didn't hit the car infront of me. So yeah, If you plan on marrying an Asian, good luck with your car insurance :D

Try sharing an elevator with them. They give off toxic fumes! :crying:

[Harut82]

They give off toxic fumes! :crying:

:confused: :confused:

[sSsflamesSs]

:confused: :confused:

I didn't mean gas. Whatever they eat comes out through their pores.

[Harut82]

I know that acutall gas doesnt come out:D Sounds a little racist though

[sSsflamesSs]

I know that acutall gas doesnt come out:D Sounds a little racist though

Just be thankful your downstairs neighbors are not Asian. I've forgotten the meaning of the phrase "a breath of fresh air".

As for sounding racist, we're all prejudiced in one way or another. Some like to live in denial, but I won't deny it I suppose. And besides, I AM NOT GENERALIZING HAHAHA! I swear, all the Asians I come across stink!

[CatWoman]

Try sharing an elevator with them. They give off toxic fumes! :crying:

lol, I'll pass... I don't really like seafood! :D

[Thai-Samurai]

You are an idiot, simply put.

First of all I have to say, that I have dug myself out of worse situations.

[Thai-Samurai]

I wasn't trying to say Armenians had flaws. I was simply thinking that since Armenian's are so tightly knit, that everything stays in the gene pool. Like if America had nobody leaving and nobody entering. But then they wanted more doctors, they would say what kind of doctors do we want, and they think: Chinese doctors are known to be smart. So they hire about 10 Chinese doctors. Which help America. But what they really do, is appoint 5 students to learn from each Chinese doctor until they are equally knowledgable. Then send the doctors back to China. But w/ Genes, using Darwins theory of natural selection. But really it'll be Conscious decesion selection. Something like that.

[XxgoeyxX]

I think Pyunik said it best when he stated this:

You make it sound like we have genetic flaws that need to be bred out of us. It's kinda sick.

[Tres Bien]

Crimson Glow I wasn't refering to you in my post/replies, but to tigran's and tais ideas wich I'm totally opposed to.

[Thai-Samurai]

I think Pyunik said it best when he stated this:

Didnt' I just say that, that's not what I was saying?

[Crimson Glow]

Crimson Glow I wasn't refering to you in my post/replies, but to tigran's and tais ideas wich I'm totally opposed to.


:eek: :eek:

Well.....that was quite the mix up. :o :o :o I suppose sleuth was doing the same? It looked like you were directing the comments to me (implying that I thought odars were superior since I said marrying Armenian doesn't gaurantee anything) because your reply came right after Thai's and EEK's insults, and you were quoting them. It looked like a show of support in their assertions.

SORRY!!!!!! :o :o :o Forgive me?

http://www.nzflower.co.nz/images/roses_boxed_1_dozen_med.jpg

*Looks at what he just did with the picture* - Christ, I've been on this forum too long.

[XxgoeyxX]

Didnt' I just say that, that's not what I was saying?


Would you like me to quote him again? Because you stated there wasnt a flaw and yet you agured against it. What this thing you are talking about doctors and Asians. You make me laugh. :)

[Thai-Samurai]

This is all very confusing. Can we just settle the issue with adoption? That way atleast another culture will be brought up with Armenian values, and can atleast make the world a better place.

[sleuth]

:eek: :eek:

Well.....that was quite the mix up. :o :o :o I suppose sleuth was doing the same? It looked like you were directing the comments to me (implying that I thought odars were superior since I said marrying Armenian doesn't gaurantee anything) because your reply came right after Thai's and EEK's insults, and you were quoting them. It looked like a show of support in their assertions.

SORRY!!!!!! :o :o :o Forgive me?

http://www.nzflower.co.nz/images/roses_boxed_1_dozen_med.jpg

*Looks at what he just did with the picture* - Christ, I've been on this forum too long.

Classic !!!
:laugh:

[Tres Bien]

Yes crimson glow you're prefectly forgiven!:)

"This is all very confusing. Can we just settle the issue with adoption? That way atleast another culture will be brought up with Armenian values, and can atleast make the world a better place."

Yes chem haskanom, what do you mean exacly?This IS all very confusing yes.and as said before -
are armenians perfect? And how much of those armenian values are still alive and practized just look at california and other places, lets start with yourselves and our familes with living up to the armenian values. Me of someone knows that...just talking about it armenian values this and that issues wont solve anything, we have to live up to it as well.
What do you want to do? Convert the the chinese to armenian values?

We are one of the worlds oldest nation. We don't ow any other country anything or don't haev to prove anything to china or usa.

[nunechka]

Hey I'm half armenian and half a bunch of other origine, french being to most important.. and I still think marrying an Armo girl would be much easier. I wont have to explain for hours whats armenia, teach her armenian (like my father did to my mom), etc...

ANyone willing to marry me? :naughty:


I'll marry you !EEK :naughty:

[nunechka]

in armenia, armenians mix with russians, ukrainians, or yugoslavians... AND then those kids marry armenians... so actually they stay armenian, and this cycle continues...

maybe thats why armenians in armenia are whiter looking then armenians from middle eastern countries...
:rolleyes:

[Tigranes]

in armenia, armenians mix with russians, ukrainians, or yugoslavians... AND then those kids marry armenians... so actually they stay armenian, and this cycle continues...

maybe thats why armenians in armenia are whiter looking then armenians from middle eastern countries...
:rolleyes:


Horse kaka. There is no miscegenation with Slavs in a large scale.

All Armenians are White. Those that mix with non-Whites look otherwise like those from the mid east.

[nunechka]

watch your language... there is no reason to use vulgar language... armenians ARE white, but those in ARMENIA look MORE WHITE!!! then those who are not...

maybe one of the reasons why they LOOK MORE WHITE! is because they mix with russians more in ARMENIA then anywhere else...

[xBaron Dants]

in armenia, armenians mix with russians, ukrainians, or yugoslavians... AND then those kids marry armenians... so actually they stay armenian, and this cycle continues...

maybe thats why armenians in armenia are whiter looking then armenians from middle eastern countries...
:rolleyes:

I'd tend to disagree with that assessment. Many Hayastantsis have a dark complexion. In fact, I personally have seen more Hayastantsis with darker complexions than Souriahays or Beirutsis or Yekibdahays.. This doesn't mean anything of course, because what I've seen is not representative of anything, but I'd tend to say it's pretty much "equal".

[Tigranes]

I'd tend to disagree with that assessment. Many Hayastantsis have a dark complexion. In fact, I personally have seen more Hayastantsis with darker complexions than Souriahays or Beirutsis or Yekibdahays.. This doesn't mean anything of course, because what I've seen is not representative of anything, but I'd tend to say it's pretty much "equal".


Wrong.
Armenians in Armenia are 10000X more lighter than Diasporans.
There are obviously darkies there too but on average ROA/CIS Armenians are more pure, often the ambiguous types are just kurds, azeris and georgians with Armenian names leftover from the xxxish soviet "utopia".

[Tigranes]

watch your language... there is no reason to use vulgar language... armenians ARE white, but those in ARMENIA look MORE WHITE!!! then those who are not...

maybe one of the reasons why they LOOK MORE WHITE! is because they mix with russians more in ARMENIA then anywhere else...

That was foul language? :D
It's still a stupid thing to say, they are "more" White because they don't mix with arabs whom Diasporans worship. If Genocide survivors kept their bloodlines pure there would be no distinctions, Slavs or no Slavs.

[CatWoman]

Wrong.
Armenians in Armenia are 10000X more lighter than Diasporans.
There are obviously darkies there too but on average ROA/CIS Armenians are more pure, often the ambiguous types are just kurds, azeris and georgians with Armenian names leftover from the xxxish soviet "utopia".

Okay okay what's ROA/CIS? Return On Assets/Computer Information System? LOL, speak clearly so dumb ones like me can understand. Also what exactly do you mean by more pure? This kind of Armenians are more pure than that kind of Armenians?? whaaaat?!!!! Crap. I also don't think that Armenians from Armenia are 10000 times lighter than diasporans, cuz that statement makes diasporants close to black :laugh: However, one thing I noticed about guys from Armenia is that they have red cheecks...

[Tigranes]

Okay okay what's ROA/CIS? Return On Assets/Computer Information System? LOL, speak clearly so dumb ones like me can understand. Also what exactly do you mean by more pure? This kind of Armenians are more pure than that kind of Armenians?? whaaaat?!!!! Crap. I also don't think that Armenians from Armenia are 10000 times lighter than diasporans, cuz that statement makes diasporants close to black :laugh: However, one thing I noticed about guys from Armenia is that they have red cheecks...

I agree, I'll refrain from using divisive language such as that. But if anyone has a lighter pigmentation it's Armenians from CIS/ROA (Commonwealth of Independent States/Republic of Armenia). Besides what matters is phenotype and morphology.
A dark Maltese or Sicillian is my kin, a milk white Chink or a Tatar is not.

I know what you mean about rosy cheeks. People in Artsakh have even more of that. That's cuz of elevation in the mountains, the air is cleaner, the food is cleaner etc.

[ckBejug]

That was foul language? :D
It's still a stupid thing to say, they are "more" White because they don't mix with arabs whom Diasporans worship. If Genocide survivors kept their bloodlines pure there would be no distinctions, Slavs or no Slavs.
Disaporans worship Arabs? Are you kidding? Since when does listening to Arabic music equate to worship? Just because those Armenians that lived in countires filled with Arabs and Arabic influence like to listen to Arabic music doesn't mean they also like to bed muslim Arabs.

[CatWoman]

Yeah seriously, diasporans worship and mix with arabs? Who told you that? You do know that it wasn't easy for diasporans to stay as pure as they did right, considering that only 2-3% of the population of where they lived cinsisted of Armenians and the rest other (arabs/persians/etc.) Regardless, they didn't mix and it's a shame that someone such as yourself would consider them less than pure! Besides being a pure Armenian has nothing to do with phenotypes, it's what you do for your people and country and etc. not how white or rosy cheeked you are silly.

[Tigranes]

Besides being a pure Armenian has nothing to do with phenotypes, it's what you do for your people and country and etc. not how white or rosy cheeked you are silly.


You were going great until you said that :(
Maybe not though, if you mean what you do for your country and people matters more than how appealing your phenotype might be as opposed to a monkey from Yemen fighting for Armenia being an Armenian than I agree.

I know I'm not giving enough credit to Diasporans. I'm certain if other people (say the Polaks or the Swiss) were in the same situation, as in forced to live in the ME for almost a century since the Genocide they wouldn't even be around today in any shape or form, not to mention have schools or Churches.
I just wish more Armenians from there didn't associate themselves with that foreign culture and mentaility and tried a little harder to re-Armenianize themselves. Hell I know many here that go to the Armenian community centers, Churches etc. but if you ask them what are you they will say I'm Lebanese :mad:

[nunechka]

tigran i have also experienced that...
i was sitting in my first class at CSULA and the teach went around to ask where people where from, to introduce themselves and my friend who is armenian, said she was lebanese...i was like WHAT??? :eek:

are almost spoke out and said NO YOU ARE ARMENIAN... how could she say that??? i was so pissed at her, and ever since then i just dont give a rats ass what she says... what a dits...

she even argued with me, "nune, i was born there, blah blah blah..." and i would tell her, if an english man was born in china would that make him chinese? she still didnt get it... too much info to take in i guess...

[Hayq]

xxxs? Sure their genetics are strong, but how many are really considered xxxs anymore? Many of them are begining to assimilate into other cultures and most never end up teachign their kids.

If you have to mix with someone, please let it be white, there is nothing a negor or asian offers that can be helpful to our race. Furthermore, we need to strengthen our culture before our genetics...we need to fund more Armenian schools and increase the prestige of many Armenian communities. We can do it in America, no one is stopping us, just begin to build our schools! build our homes and communities.

Asian girls are nasty. They are boring and very dry. Stick to Armenian, bro. Asian girls are always in a chinatown strip club near you.

[Tigranes]

Nune jan, don't worry. Remember, quality not quantity.

Hayq (the true name of our country), you're absolutely right.

[TigranJamharian]

xxxs? Sure their genetics are strong, but how many are really considered xxxs anymore? Many of them are begining to assimilate into other cultures and most never end up teachign their kids.

If you have to mix with someone, please let it be white, there is nothing a negor or asian offers that can be helpful to our race. Furthermore, we need to strengthen our culture before our genetics...we need to fund more Armenian schools and increase the prestige of many Armenian communities. We can do it in America, no one is stopping us, just begin to build our schools! build our homes and communities.

Asian girls are nasty. They are boring and very dry. Stick to Armenian, bro. Asian girls are always in a chinatown strip club near you.

oh man, how can you say xxxs assimilate? they are the last ones to assimilate, i know xxxs here in new york whos relatives have been here for more than a hundred years and they still keep their traditions and are really pro-israel/xxxish causes.

Dont mix with anyone, but if you do, please mix with the greeks or the french, my two other favorite nations in the world.

As for asian girls, yes most of them are boring and dry. but then there are the exceptional few that are great, bodywise and that are just so damn sexy. Anyway, always good for a quick lay. but no armeno-asians please. i dont want to look in the phone book and find a couple of Armen Lee's in a few years.

btw, why was pyunik banned, and what could be better than Ararat badrijani ikra with grey bread. ukhai!

[xBaron Dants]

That was foul language? :D
It's still a stupid thing to say, they are "more" White because they don't mix with arabs whom Diasporans worship. If Genocide survivors kept their bloodlines pure there would be no distinctions, Slavs or no Slavs.

You know, for people who do not know what they're talking about, God created silence.

Armenians in the diaspora did not worship arabs. Quite on the contrary..Armenians did not assimilate because they perceived their culture to be superior to the one in their host country. So while friendship was definitely there, it was faaaaaaaar from being worship. Have there been inter-ethnic marriages? Of course....Just like there have been inter-ethnic marriages within Armenia and the CIS.

And there are no distinctions, because as you admitted yourself, there are people with a darker complexion in Armenia (many of whom were very, very sexy by the way :laugh: ).

[Tigranes]

And there are no distinctions, because as you admitted yourself, there are people with a darker complexion in Armenia (many of whom were very, very sexy by the way :laugh: ).

I also said they are in fact kurds or other muds leftover from soviet days with Armenian names and such.

In the CIS Armenians marry their ETHNIC kin: Russians, Pontic Greeks, Moldovians, Ukrainians or worst case scenario georgians or ashkhenazi hreas :eek: (hardly ever) not Uzbeks, gypsies or Tadjiks.

Also why stay in Beirut or Ghameshli for example? Why? Isn't it time to dismantle the communities there? People where whining about a country now when they have one they forgot about repatriation.
At least move to Europe or US/Canada. Why stay in that xxxxhole and continue to corrupt what's left of the sacred language and culture?

Another disturbing fact is that when they do move to Armenia they bring that crap along with them! This summer I saw with my owns eyes two restaurants advertizing "shish taouk" (one got burned down :D a few months ago ), "pita" etc. I also saw genuine Arabs, they were talking loud in their guttural language in a cafe where Arab music was being played. I spotted a few hijab wearing students too, they come to yerevan to get a decent education that cannot be found in their dunes and is cheaper than in Western Europe.

[xBaron Dants]

I also said they are in fact kurds or other muds leftover from soviet days with Armenian names and such.

In the CIS Armenians marry their ETHNIC kin: Russians, Pontic Greeks, Moldovians, Ukrainians or worst case scenario georgians or ashkhenazi hreas :eek: (hardly ever) not Uzbeks, gypsies or Tadjiks.

Also why stay in Beirut or Ghameshli for example? Why? Isn't it time to dismantle the communities there? People where whining about a country now when they have one they forgot about repatriation.
At least move to Europe or US/Canada. Why stay in that xxxxhole and continue to corrupt what's left of the sacred language and culture?

Another disturbing fact is that when they do move to Armenia they bring that crap along with them! This summer I saw with my owns eyes two restaurants advertizing "shish taouk" (one got burned down :D a few months ago ), "pita" etc. I also saw genuine Arabs, they were talking loud in their guttural language in a cafe where Arab music was being played. I spotted a few hijab wearing students too, they come to yerevan to get a decent education that cannot be found in their dunes and is cheaper than in Western Europe.

Once again, more senseless rambing from a crazed fascist.

The Armenian language has never been and will never be as alive as it was in the communities in the Middle East. Armenians never spoke anything but Armenian among each other. Compare that to the youth in LA or Canada. These communities and their schools produced authors, editors, journalists, professors...What is the likelihood of a person like that coming out of the Armenian schools in the US or Canada? France, with their 300 000 or so Armenians is in an even more deplorable situation when it comes to the Armenian language.

As for having Shish Taook in Yerevan....you also saw a Thai, a Mexican, a Georgian, a Bulgarian and an American restaurant. Your point? Armenians should not eat Shish Taook? *siiiiiigh*

AND OMG, YOU SAW ARABS IN ARMENIA?? You also see them in your utopic cities of London, Paris, Rome or whatever other Christian White city you dream of..

[TigranJamharian]

do they have a mcdonalds in Armenia yet?

[xBaron Dants]

do they have a mcdonalds in Armenia yet?

No, but I'd be the first to bomb it.

There was, however, a place that sold fried chicken and fries, but I don't think it was a knockoff of anything. The name at least was completely original...SFC, or Southern Fried Chicken.
:laugh:

[TigranJamharian]

how you gonna go and bomb a mickey D's boy, was wrong witchu?!

sfc? lmao. Armenia is the land of knockoffs. i heard they started this vodka company and called it Absolit, and now they are getting sued by the Absolut company. Btw the only Armenian vodka i tried was horrible, i think it was called klyuch(key in russian) or something like that. i want to try tuti aragh one of these days, i hear its great.

[Tigranes]

Once again, more senseless rambing from a crazed fascist.

The Armenian language has never been and will never be as alive as it was in the communities in the Middle East. Armenians never spoke anything but Armenian among each other. Compare that to the youth in LA or Canada. These communities and their schools produced authors, editors, journalists, professors...What is the likelihood of a person like that coming out of the Armenian schools in the US or Canada? France, with their 300 000 or so Armenians is in an even more deplorable situation when it comes to the Armenian language.

Seig Heil!

Name a couple...

France gave the world Charles Aznavour, Sylvie Vartan, Michelle Legrand, Joachim Murat, André Chénier, Ludmila Tcherina, Edmond Rostand, Adolphe Thiers, Fanny Ardant etc.

Armenian language is very alive alright with their yallahs, gors, ishtes...

As for having Shish Taook in Yerevan....you also saw a Thai, a Mexican, a Georgian, a Bulgarian and an American restaurant. Your point? Armenians should not eat Shish Taook? *siiiiiigh*

The Chinese, Thai or Mexican restaurants were NOT presented as "Armenian"!!!

AND OMG, YOU SAW ARABS IN ARMENIA?? You also see them in your utopic cities of London, Paris, Rome or whatever other Christian White city you dream of..

They are not facing extinction, we have lower birth rates than they do and there are tens of millions of speakers of their languages.

[Tigranes]

how you gonna go and bomb a mickey D's boy, was wrong witchu?!

sfc? lmao. Armenia is the land of knockoffs. i heard they started this vodka company and called it Absolit, and now they are getting sued by the Absolut company. Btw the only Armenian vodka i tried was horrible, i think it was called klyuch(key in russian) or something like that. i want to try tuti aragh one of these days, i hear its great.


There's also Queen Burger and Cigaronne (Davidoff sued them but lost).

[xBaron Dants]

how you gonna go and bomb a mickey D's boy, was wrong witchu?!

sfc? lmao. Armenia is the land of knockoffs. i heard they started this vodka company and called it Absolit, and now they are getting sued by the Absolut company. Btw the only Armenian vodka i tried was horrible, i think it was called klyuch(key in russian) or something like that. i want to try tuti aragh one of these days, i hear its great.

Bah, I just fear the "McDonaldization" of the world, and do not look forward to the day where it arrives to Armenia.

Yes, knockoffs abound on the streets of Yerevan...but the most famous case of companies suing each other for a name is when an Armenian compan sues another for the name "Ararat".

As for Armenian vodka, I've never had the one you mentioned. The ones I've tried are Dle Yaman and Avshar (I think)...both are for serious drinkers. And tti oghi is wonderful.

[xBaron Dants]

A couple....Antranig Dzaroogian, Shahan Shahnoor, Shushanian, Levon Shant..Even Vahan Tekeyan worked in Cairo for quite some time! Oh, and if you want to talk about Bolis, then the list would not end anytime soon...

And these people contributed to Armenian culture, not Arabic... As opposed to your list of Armenians from France who are French artists.

The gors and yallahs are the Diasporan equivalents of the davays and the karas and all those other Russian words that I do not understand. And since I am not particularly enchanted by your white suprematic views, I don't see how mixing Russian words are any better than mixing Arabic words. Our culture is Armenian. Not Russian or French. The Russians you call your brothers are the ones killing and beating Armenians in Moscow and Krasnodsar.

Yes, the English and the French are not facing extinction. Which is why you saw maybe four Arabs in the entire city of Yerevan, as opposed to the hundreds you'd see in London just walking from your house to the supermarket. And the Arabs could've even been tourists... Or are we closing our country to tourism too?

[TigranJamharian]

There's also Queen Burger and Cigaronne (Davidoff sued them but lost).

lol, why did davidoff sue cigaronne, is it because the packs look alike or something like that? my dad has one pack of cigaronne's in the house, everytime i am alone and dont have any cigarretes i take one of those long mofos. not too bad but i depleted the pack and hes sure to find out. too bad they dont sell it here.

now on to more serious matters, vrouyr i understand where he is coming from and yes i think it is an insecurity we Armenians have, beeing so close to the middle east and all we a lot of times mistaken for arabs parsiks and xxxs by people that dont really know much, i myself am sick and tired of having to explain to uneducated pricks that yes most of the people in Armenia are white and Christian. As for those skinheads id like to see a couple of those bytches fight like a real man without their knives and whatnot, get a couple of Armenian boys and show those stupid xxxxs how a real man fights, not attaking old men and little kids in the streets. id soo love to get my hands on one of those motherxxxxers.

[xBaron Dants]

There is a not so fine line between insecurity and what Tigranes is saying. We all know the feeling of having to explain just who or what an Armenian is. But one should not, because of that insecurity, dismiss anybody who doesn't make his job easier as non-Armenian, or non-pure Armenian. Heck, he even said that he cannot "alienate" me because I am fair skinned. So if I were an Armenian with darker complexion, he and his Aryan friends would "alienate" me, ironically in the name of patriotism. There is this eternal longing for being the "brothers" of the Russians, or the Greeks or whoever. But notice how it is mostly Armenians, and not the Russians or the Greeks, who refer to the other group as "brothers". One day, we'll have to just wake up and see that the only brothers we have our within our community. Everybody else is just a friend....and friendships can be temporary.

[TigranJamharian]

Very well said.

Although let me add that most of the Greeks ive known do consider us as pretty close. I remember the first time my friends dad met me and asked me if if was Greek, i said no im Armenian, and he promptly replies, ahhh same xxxx.

[steelers10]

Personally, I have no problem with Armenians marrying non-Armenians. Who are you to tell someone that they can't marry someone because they aren't the same race. I feel very ashamed by hearing this. True love can't be stopped by a blatant display of ignorance. It also makes for more interesting people.

[TigranJamharian]

oh man, cmon, where do you come up with this crap. true love? what is this?
noones saying they have authority to tell you whether you should or shouldnt marry a non Armenian, the argument was over whether it is good for the overall race if we marry and have children out of the race.

[xBaron Dants]

Personally, I have no problem with Armenians marrying non-Armenians. Who are you to tell someone that they can't marry someone because they aren't the same race. I feel very ashamed by hearing this. True love can't be stopped by a blatant display of ignorance. It also makes for more interesting people.

True love shmue love.

[steelers10]

Alright, then I think that I would have no problem if the overall race intermixes with other races in the world.

[xBaron Dants]

Here's how your plan would work out:

Armenians, desperate to prove to the world that they are liberal and open-minded (this is Armenian type 2, as opposed to Armenian type 1, who is the crazed Aryan supremacist type), would say "to hell with races and ethnicities" and would start marrying people of other nationalities. Every other country in the world keeps marrying within itself...and BAM! self-inflicte genocide.

[TigranJamharian]

then why would you even be on an Armenian forum. i guess if it was up to you you would rather see us just mix in with everything else and dissapear, why then call yourself an Armenian and come on an Armenian club forum. I hate people like that that say we are all completely the same and there should be no differences and everyone should look the same and shyt. What is this liberal bullshyt, one big brown race without any distinctions is what you want isnt it?

[TigranJamharian]

funny how we wrote almost the exact same thing, hahaha.

[Crimson Glow]

So, Baron....what your plan is, is to force yourself into some dysfuntional, apathetic relationship with another Armenian (as most Armenian relationships are, in one degree or another) who is as close to a "perfect fit" as you can get, for the sake of continuing our heritage?

[TigranJamharian]

there are 5 million Armenian of the opposite sex, i am pretty sure if you put even a bit of effort into it you can find a perfect mate. goddamn your stupid arguments.

[TigranJamharian]

i love how all these Armenians bytch and whine about how Armenian relationships and weddings are bad. On the contrary it is the Armenian family which is one of the most close knit and unselfish as far as i can see. Look at how much Armenian parents will sacrifice for their kids and look at the divorce rates of Armenians as opposed to americans or asians or whoever else you want to marry.

[Crimson Glow]

there are 5 million Armenian of the opposite sex, i am pretty sure if you put even a bit of effort into it you can find a perfect mate. goddamn your stupid arguments.

My arguments are stupid?? Did you look at what you just wrote? What the hell do "5 million Armenians of the opposite sex" have to do with me? You plan on searching the world over for one? Nice weak attempt to distort the numbers in favor of your even weaker argument.

And the divorce rate has nothing to do with happiness of marriages. My parents are quiet possibly the most miserable pieces of sh*t ever to walk this planet. My dad has LITERALLY knocked her teeth out on several occasions, yet, to this day she refuses to divorce him. They no longer live together, but she won't divorce, or even get an official seperation from him. Why? Because "we (Armenians/back home) just don't do that". Brilliant!

I love how all these Armenians turn a blind eye to what goes on in their culture, instead of exposing its faults and shortcoming so that they can be worked on and improved. Awaken from your infantile utopian dreams.

[sleuth]

People I am indifferent towards: MCDONALD'S QUICK PASS ME THE MOLOTOV xxxxTAILS!
Dumbasses: YEAH!

I


:laugh: :laugh: This made my day..

[Tigranes]

A couple....Antranig Dzaroogian, Shahan Shahnoor, Shushanian, Levon Shant..Even Vahan Tekeyan worked in Cairo for quite some time! Oh, and if you want to talk about Bolis, then the list would not end anytime soon...

Tekeyan should not be on that list lol Dream on.
Levon Shant ok.
Never herad of the other two.

Most "Polsahays" are just turks.

The gors and yallahs are the Diasporan equivalents of the davays and the karas and all those other Russian words that I do not understand. And since I am not particularly enchanted by your white suprematic views, I don't see how mixing Russian words are any better than mixing Arabic words. Our culture is Armenian. Not Russian or French. The Russians you call your brothers are the ones killing and beating Armenians in Moscow and Krasnodsar.

More lies.
Karas is Armenian dummy. It's short for karogh es, ignoramus.
Davay is not considered an Armenian word and is not used by ANYONE over 20, and the kids that do sue it do so only in the streets as slang, as opposed to your so called "intellectuals" using arab words with every second word.
Russian is an IE language in any case, all IE words have the same root.

The Russians who are "killing" those scum are doing a favor to us. It's mostly gang violence anyway. I would kill them myself. They are filthy illegal alien criminals that dress and smell like gypsies and sell drugs to kids. Amen to that.

Yes, the English and the French are not facing extinction. Which is why you saw maybe four Arabs in the entire city of Yerevan, as opposed to the hundreds you'd see in London just walking from your house to the supermarket. And the Arabs could've even been tourists... Or are we closing our country to tourism too?

They weren't tourists. They lived in Yerevan, at the two dozen that I saw acted like they're in their sheikhs backyard.

[xBaron Dants]

Crimson Glow, I'm sorry to say that I don't know what you're talking about. I don't see myself "loving" anybody who's not Armenian. Call that whatever you like...racist, xenophobic, close-minded..whatever. I've just been able to relate with Armenians in a different way.

Pyunik, I didn't say bomb the American restaurant. Heck, SFC had good chicken. My comment was directed towards McDonalds, and the way they function. A country like Armenia who almost doesn't even use fertilizers would be better off without the junk they offer. If the Arabs were selliing plastic in a pita, I'd bomb that too.

[Tigranes]

There is a not so fine line between insecurity and what Tigranes is saying. We all know the feeling of having to explain just who or what an Armenian is. But one should not, because of that insecurity, dismiss anybody who doesn't make his job easier as non-Armenian, or non-pure Armenian. Heck, he even said that he cannot "alienate" me because I am fair skinned. So if I were an Armenian with darker complexion, he and his Aryan friends would "alienate" me, ironically in the name of patriotism. There is this eternal longing for being the "brothers" of the Russians, or the Greeks or whoever. But notice how it is mostly Armenians, and not the Russians or the Greeks, who refer to the other group as "brothers". One day, we'll have to just wake up and see that the only brothers we have our within our community. Everybody else is just a friend....and friendships can be temporary.


There's my point again, you, just like many turks may have the genes, but deep down in your heart you're still just another carpet making, rice eating sandnigger.

When you morons run out of excuses you go back to using "skin complexion" bs when I said numerous times that pigmentation has nothing to do with race. White is not white (color).

Greeks are the same people as Armenians. The relationship with Greeks and Armenians is the same as the relationship between Slavic or Germanic nationalities. Same origins and even the language was the same (Greco-Armenian) before splitting to Greek and Armenian (Gray & Atkinson).

You last comment about isolation reeks with judenschwein...and I'm the fascist :)

[xBaron Dants]

Tekeyan should not be on that list lol Dream on.
Levon Shant ok.
Never herad of the other two.

Most "Polsahays" are just turks.

More lies.
Karas is Armenian dummy. It's short for karogh es, ignoramus.
Davay is not considered an Armenian word and is not used by ANYONE over 20, and the kids that do sue it do so only in the streets as slang, as opposed to your so called "intellectuals" using arab words with every second word.
Russian is an IE language in any case, all IE words have the same root.

The Russians who are "killing" those scum are doing a favor to us. It's mostly gang violence anyway. I would kill them myself. They are filthy illegal alien criminals that dress and smell like gypsies and sell drugs to kids. Amen to that.

They weren't tourists. They lived in Yerevan, at the two dozen that I saw acted like they're in their sheikhs backyard.

Shahan Shahnoor is one of the most controversial and brilliant Armenian authors ever. Antranig Dzaroogian was the editor of the Nayiri literary journal, and a brilliant critic of the Armenian political parties.

So, slang is allowed in Armenia, but not in the Diaspora? Iiiiiiiinteresting. You have not read anything from the Diaspora, by the way. Making assumptions would be pardonable if you were at least making the right ones.

The IE excuse you give is just bull. Using that logic, why do you hate Arabs? We all come from the same root anyways. And explain the use of the words "badrjan" and "banidor" (or something like that) that is used frequently in Armenia. I always called those smpoog and lolig...

Bolsahays are turks...once again, a brilliant comment by a brilliant man. Hagop Baonian, Hagop Oshagan, Taniel Varoojan, Siamanto, Nahabed Rousinian, shall I go on?

Oh, and your last comments about the illegal alien Armenians that all deserve to die have led me to conclude that there is no use talking to you.

[CatWoman]

little do YOU know that the only reason they do that is cuz your so-called "pure" and best and awesomest and greatest Armenians from Haiastan have killed our name in places like Glendale. just read the LA Times or watch the news. or ask the police department.
to the point that when you tell someone you're Armenian in the San Fernando Valley, they automatically assume that you steal, your kids get in fights with mexican gangs on weekends and you max out 35 credit cards and then file for bankruptcy.

Agreed, but wasn't sure if I should post that, lol! Plus, many of those "pure" Armenians speak Russian and introduce themselves as Russians too, so it's not just diasporans doing that! Honestly I've never seen a lebanese or persian Armenian speak arabic or farsi but I've seen many "pure" Armenians who speak Russian to one another!

[xBaron Dants]

Agreed, but wasn't sure if I should post that, lol! Plus, many of those "pure" Armenians speak Russian and introduce themselves as Russians too, so it's not just diasporans doing that! Honestly I've never seen a lebanese or persian Armenian speak arabic or farsi but I've seen many "pure" Armenians who speak Russian to one another!

Yes, but you see, that's alright, because Russian is an Indo-European language, and so is Armenian...so you see, our culture remains strong this way... Other acceptable languages would be French, Greek or..wait a minute, Hindi or Farsi!

No, I don't get it either, but some people definitely see a logic there.

[Crimson Glow]

it's amazing how different people think!!!
did you just SERIOUSLY ask that?
force yourself into a disfunctional relationship??? :laugh:
no.. you know what?... go and "fall in love" with a chinatsee chic cuz she's "tight"...
that'll be a "perfect fit"...
megha asdoodzo. TOON AL ESH ESS yegher!

*sighs* Time for another spoon-feeding the meaning session.....

In other words, my simple minded friend, if you don't happen to fall in love with an Armenian, you'd have to FORCE yourself into it according to a large portion of the members on this forum (for the noble deed of "saving our ethnicity"), which would only create and advocate a dysfunctional environment/family. Because anything less wouldn't be..."Armenian of you"... :rolleyes:

Oh, and thank you for proving my other point about why marrying Armenian does not gaurantee us coming any closer to preserving our culture.....


your so-called "pure" and best and awesomest and greatest Armenians from Haiastan have killed our name in places like Glendale. just read the LA Times or watch the news. or ask the police department. to the point that when you tell someone you're Armenian in the San Fernando Valley, they automatically assume that you steal, your kids get in fights with mexican gangs on weekends and you max out 35 credit cards and then file for bankruptcy.

__________________________________________________ _____________

And what are you babbling about with the Chinatsee crap? Who the hell (other than Thai) said they wanted a Chinatsee? Man, you people and your constant over exaggeration and putting words in peoples' mouths when you get offended.. Please, if you can't attack the point legitimately, and have to resort to infantile insults, stop responding. You're making baby Jesus cry!

[Crimson Glow]

Ooooooh, I see. So what you're saying is if I was born and raised in California, I would suddenly somehow find Armenian women attractive, and be able to tolerate their traditional lifestyle and simple-mindedness. :confused: I'm sorry, but I'm sure you'll forgive me for not initially understanding you were implying such an absurd theory. In fact, that sounds down right scary. Almost sounds like a brainwashed cult. :eek:

On a quick side-note: I'm not going into what I think of the concept of..."love", or what I think of people who claim to be in love. We went into this on another thread a while back, and I'm not going to raise the issue again here, but suffice it to say, it's beyond your realm of comprehension. You made this evident through profound phrases like "'oh....but I love her' kinda crap".

And yes, keep ignoring the fact (whenever it hurts your argument) that you yourself just pointed out how desolate and disgraceful your..."pure" Armenians can be. Nice to know I could be looked down upon by others just by announcing I'm Armenian over there (the main reason I have changed my mind about moving to Cali - I've heard/read this WAY too often). I'll take people going "Ar-what?" when I tell them I'm Armenian, over "oh....so how long is your rap sheet?"

And the absurdity continues with the BS you spew about assimilation. First of all, assimilating into non English speaking nations would suddenly somehow make them English speaking? I'd like a logical explaination of how the world would become English speaking through assimilation. If not, why are you comparing being raised in America to other nations becoming English speaking shopping malls? Secondly, the "urban", "yuppy", "suburban", or whatever you want to call them cities are present, whether you assimilate or not. That will always be part of any capitalist nation. Don't think for a second that Armenia wouldn't be in on it, too, if it had a flourishing enough economy supported by big spending. Lastly, and most pertinent to the defecation of your argument, you know damn well those "100% Armenians" over there assimilate. Problem is, it's into the worst aspects of American society possible. Either the "my Mercedes is more expensive then the Jonesians", or "ara ova asi? I'll kill you!" So go ahead and marry out of obligation, and raise your FUBU wearing, Russian swearing, conviction record carrying, pure bread hard core Armenians! Keep up the assimilation..err...Armenianism. ;) By the way, where are the 100% Armenian parents of those fine lads out there? I wanted to thank them for "keeping the culture alive", and adding to the Armenian world population..:wave:..and making baby Jesus cry!

[Hayq]

Russians and Armenians have no cultural link, just because we speak an Indo-European tongue does not make us some kind of brothers.

I really do not understand why Russians would be this way to Armenians. See, another thing is, I have heard accounts where they do nothing to Blacks and Asians, but they only tend to pick on those whom have caucasian features (and many Armenians do have these features). Perhaps it is old soviet jealousy, as the people from the Caucasus excelled in all fields, especially love, and I am presuming this was out of Jealousy. However I am just guessing.

Here is the thing, I really do not care about Armenians today, it seems like we are hanging by a thread to our culture. My concern is with Armenians in the future. See, many forumers here want a good life for themselves, and they tend to look at the future too much, and seem to be very selfish. Our forefathers died to stay Armenian, now because we want to live a better life for ourselves, we are going to sell out the blood spilled for an Asian or Negro that will provide us a more comfortable life? Come on guys, there are not that many Armenians, we are an ancient race who has been around for 4.000 years! We have a goal to keep our race alive, we can not take the chance of mixing because there are merely 10mln of us World Wide!

If you can not find a perfect girl to be Armenian, please, do everything you possibly can to teach your child and spouse about our heritage and culture and language. Take your kids to Armenian Saturday school.

I understand most of the people on this forum who want to marry outside the race, truth is, you might have a better life than marrying an Armenian. However, you have to take into consideration that you are not only marrying for your personal pleasure (or a tax break) but for your children. A man and a woman marry to have children and start a family, make sure your kids are Armenian, or you might as well be commiting genocide on yourself.

Just my opinions.

[XxgoeyxX]

Russians and Armenians have no cultural link, just because we speak an Indo-European tongue does not make us some kind of brothers.

I really do not understand why Russians would be this way to Armenians. See, another thing is, I have heard accounts where they do nothing to Blacks and Asians, but they only tend to pick on those whom have caucasian features (and many Armenians do have these features). Perhaps it is old soviet jealousy, as the people from the Caucasus excelled in all fields, especially love, and I am presuming this was out of Jealousy. However I am just guessing.

Here is the thing, I really do not care about Armenians today, it seems like we are hanging by a thread to our culture. My concern is with Armenians in the future. See, many forumers here want a good life for themselves, and they tend to look at the future too much, and seem to be very selfish. Our forefathers died to stay Armenian, now because we want to live a better life for ourselves, we are going to sell out the blood spilled for an Asian or Negro that will provide us a more comfortable life? Come on guys, there are not that many Armenians, we are an ancient race who has been around for 4.000 years! We have a goal to keep our race alive, we can not take the chance of mixing because there are merely 10mln of us World Wide!

If you can not find a perfect girl to be Armenian, please, do everything you possibly can to teach your child and spouse about our heritage and culture and language. Take your kids to Armenian Saturday school.

I understand most of the people on this forum who want to marry outside the race, truth is, you might have a better life than marrying an Armenian. However, you have to take into consideration that you are not only marrying for your personal pleasure (or a tax break) but for your children. A man and a woman marry to have children and start a family, make sure your kids are Armenian, or you might as well be commiting genocide on yourself.

Just my opinions.


I do enjoy reading your post hayq. However,I must disagree with this statement. "understand most of the people on this forum who want to marry outside the race, truth is, you might have a better life than marrying an Armenian." Only because it goes both ways.

Now I do hope you dont call me an arse again... :)


Crimson you always seem to show tough love. But I do hope you havnt forgotten the great things about Armenians. I know you havnt. But I guess I'm always to optimistic about this subject. And its sad to say many Armenians have become what you described. Very sad indeed.

[steelers10]

Russians and Armenians have no cultural link, just because we speak an Indo-European tongue does not make us some kind of brothers.

I really do not understand why Russians would be this way to Armenians. See, another thing is, I have heard accounts where they do nothing to Blacks and Asians, but they only tend to pick on those whom have caucasian features (and many Armenians do have these features). Perhaps it is old soviet jealousy, as the people from the Caucasus excelled in all fields, especially love, and I am presuming this was out of Jealousy. However I am just guessing.

Here is the thing, I really do not care about Armenians today, it seems like we are hanging by a thread to our culture. My concern is with Armenians in the future. See, many forumers here want a good life for themselves, and they tend to look at the future too much, and seem to be very selfish. Our forefathers died to stay Armenian, now because we want to live a better life for ourselves, we are going to sell out the blood spilled for an Asian or Negro that will provide us a more comfortable life? Come on guys, there are not that many Armenians, we are an ancient race who has been around for 4.000 years! We have a goal to keep our race alive, we can not take the chance of mixing because there are merely 10mln of us World Wide!

If you can not find a perfect girl to be Armenian, please, do everything you possibly can to teach your child and spouse about our heritage and culture and language. Take your kids to Armenian Saturday school.

I understand most of the people on this forum who want to marry outside the race, truth is, you might have a better life than marrying an Armenian. However, you have to take into consideration that you are not only marrying for your personal pleasure (or a tax break) but for your children. A man and a woman marry to have children and start a family, make sure your kids are Armenian, or you might as well be commiting genocide on yourself.

Just my opinions.

I too enjoyed readng this and understand, but I am not going to limit my options. Maybe I'll find the perfect Armenian girl or maybe not. All I am saying is to think about everything before you do it.

[steelers10]

I agree.

"To each his own"

It all depends on how you are raised. For me I don't feel comfortable around certain Armenians. It may have something to do with the fact that I am a fourth generation full blooded Armenian-American. I just want people to know that there are choices and to follow the path that the individual thinks is best. We all can have different opinions.

[Crimson Glow]

I don't understand why you're storming at me as you have...
and I don't understand your being against my seeing my future only with an Armenian. that's how I am. I expect you to respect the way EYE think.
I want my own kids to have an Armenian dad. these things matter to me. I don't understand why you're so against it!

??? :confused: What in the hell are you talking about? If we're going to talk about respecting other's opinions, we need to take a step back. Remember, all I did was pose a question for Baron (whom I respect quite a bit, so this was in no way a bashing or anything personal). Then, you came along, quoted me, and responded with the insults. I didn't throw the initial punch in this little debate, so don't go crying now, and acting like the victim all of a sudden. It was my views of not restricting your choices to Armenians that was being attacked, not the other way around. I couldn't care less who you marry, or what you do with your life. I never once attacked you for what YOU wanted to do, but rather the relevance of your points in trying to argue that marrying Armenian is the only way to go. All I did was point out some contradictions (which you actually displayed in that one paragaraph about hyestancies) to the arguments used against my point of view. So, in conclusion, do not turn this around now and try to act like the victim.

Oh, and don't worry. I'm calm as a Hindu cow. ;) Ohhhmmmm.......


Crimson you always seem to show tough love. But I do hope you havnt forgotten the great things about Armenians. I know you havnt. But I guess I'm always to optimistic about this subject. And its sad to say many Armenians have become what you described. Very sad indeed.

At least you recognize it for what it is: Tough love. Nothing ever evolves without pain, and facing the demons that plague you. You have to understand my frustration. Being somewhere where no one has even heard of Armenians, I was ecstatic to say the least when I came across Armenian Chat! Than I was introduced to the divisions of the "different types" of Armenians, the different dialects, all the thug wannabes, all the real thugs dismembering our reputation, etc. To say I was disheartened would be the understatement of a lifetime. To see how far we've fallen is horrifying. And to close your eyes and pretend you can make it all go away by simply saying "marry Armenian".....is a cop out. There are bigger problems to keeping our culture than that over simplified, cliché of a phrase. Look at it from this standpoint: It was a lot of the Cali-100% Armenians that brought me to that state of disappointment. So if marrying Armenian is what's going to save our dying population, why is this the case? I mean, help me understand, here. All you guys want is a head count? Just increase the population? Doesn't matter how far the quality of that population falls?

And no, Goey. I haven't forgotten the great things about being Armenian. My friends and co-workers are sick to death of me bringing it up. Well...actually....a few of them have become obsessed, and now bug ME about Armenians. I spent a decent chunk of change picking up some things on eBay from Armenia, there is a massive Armenian flag on my living room wall (I love when people walk in, and you see that "wtf??" look on their face, but they try not to show it), and Paul (Baron's favorite, and mine) is often heard blasting from the home and car. In spite of having known approximately 0 Armenians, I still speak the launguage fluently. I may struggle with some of the "big" words, but I'd have no trouble in general holding a conversation....or singing along to Paul with Baron. I guess when I talk to people, the vibe I'm getting from large Armenian communities is that being around so many Armenians, the simple joy and pride of the culture has somewhat been lost. It's almost become like...a sub-culture, if you will. So I guess the old saying holds true: Everything in moderation, because too much of a good thing can be bad.

[gevo]

why cant we all just, get along.

[Tigranes]

[quote]So, slang is allowed in Armenia, but not in the Diaspora? Iiiiiiiinteresting. You have not read anything from the Diaspora, by the way. Making assumptions would be pardonable if you were at least making the right ones.

Slang is allowed everywhere if it's based on the mother tongue, if it's used by the youth and uneducated and not by teachers or community representatives.
Do you ever watch Horizon? Haghortman varoghner@ erb khosum we crack up each and every time on how hard they try to speak properly with no luck.
It was funny, in all my time here the first time I heard someone speak normal Western Armenian without using any corrupted semitic/turkish words and endings was by a guy named Garo Nichanian. A director of a musical program from the Polsahay center.

True, I have read very little from the Diaspora. Mainly because you hardly had anything to offer in the 20th century. No world class writers/poets such as Emin, Sevak, Teryan, Charents, Kapoutikyan, Dashtenc etc.

The IE excuse you give is just bull. Using that logic, why do you hate Arabs? We all come from the same root anyways. And explain the use of the words "badrjan" and "banidor" (or something like that) that is used frequently in Armenia. I always called those smpoog and lolig...

Are you on crack now? Or what is that thing you people call "shisha"?
First of all we were talking about language not mankinds roots, feel free to believe the "out of Africa" nonsense.

Educate yourself: armenianhighland.com

Badrjan is 100% Armenian, thas yerexa es...

Lolik is not used often because it's reminiscent of another word and sounds indecent.

Bolsahays are turks...once again, a brilliant comment by a brilliant man. Hagop Baonian, Hagop Oshagan, Taniel Varoojan, Siamanto, Nahabed Rousinian, shall I go on?

We're talking about the average Joe and the community as a whole not about a few grains.
Most speak in turkish to eachother and are quite proud of their Ottoman heritage.

Oh, and your last comments about the illegal alien Armenians that all deserve to die have led me to conclude that there is no use talking to you.

Than don't :wave:

They are the crap of the nation that is discared by natural selection.
Better someone else take care of them than us.

[angelik22]

little do YOU know that the only reason they do that is cuz your so-called "pure" and best and awesomest and greatest Armenians from Haiastan have killed our name in places like Glendale. just read the LA Times or watch the news. or ask the police department.
to the point that when you tell someone you're Armenian in the San Fernando Valley, they automatically assume that you steal, your kids get in fights with mexican gangs on weekends and you max out 35 credit cards and then file for bankruptcy.

i cannot egree with you more!! but i dont think it matters hayastanci, parskahye, berootahye...or what not...we have ample bad examples in all types of armenians.... although its shameful- we gotta realize that jsut like any other ethnicity- we have the good, the bad and the so caled "ugly"... stereotypes exist whether youre blakc, fuschia or blue.... thats jsut a part of human nature.... its a bitter form of the assimilation, accomodation and prototype theory....we just gotta learn to maintain who we are without having the bad stereotypes get to us and make us bitter.... :D although we cannot help but be psessimistic, we need optimism for survival.

[Tigranes]

Russian state TV propaganda. There are around 30,000 armed and willing skinheads in Russia. Or was it just Moscow alone? Not sure. But if you count in all the people who, if it came down to it would join them on the street, the number is around 300 to 500,000. It is not gang violence. It is hate.

Even so, what's wrong with it?

Russia is for Russians and for Russians alone.

Fine, they can hate Chechens and Uzbheks and Tajiks and Blacks and Asians and Georgians. But why ARMENIANS?!

Because a good number of Armenians are no different than the muds you listed.
I've been to Moscow and Peter many times and I've seen it with my own eyes.
Hundreds of "Armenian" families living like rats in roach infested slums with ripped clothes and gypsy manners that have status at all. A true rabiz lifestyle.
Normal Armenians encounter no problems.
I interviewed the leader of the RNU and met many other nationalists during my stay there, they were fully aware that i'm Armenian and greeted me like a comrade.


And I don't mean the ones you described, the gangster who get what they deserve. I mean like the father of two children who was beaten up and left for dead in a subway station. He died before the ambulance came. The family was from Baku, they fled the war. Amen to that?

If they didn't go to Russia they would be alive now wouldn't they?
Besides, you don't know the full story. You get the details from the xxx owned media.

Or what abou the 9 year old Uzbhek girl stabbed and beaten to death in front of her father, who was later taken care of himself?

Tajik not uzbek.
That "poor tajik girl" that became a posterchild, nobody ever said that it was a drug deal gone wrong.


Nah, there are somethings I can agree with and somethings are just too far.
There is a limit to how effective the streets can be. If they want to stop people from coming to Russia, Moscow in particular, they need to take it up with Putin and their government.

They're trying.


I always wanted to visit Moscow, but it won't be happening any time soon. I've even heard of English and American tourist getting attacked. It's not just a "WHITE" thing, it is a Russian thing. If you are not Russian and do something to stand out, ie: speak, you are a seen as a viable target.

True. A Serb was beaten not long ago...


But again, I don't understand how or why they put Armenians with Chechens and Georgians.

Because you have never seen those "Armenians". Never.


Here is another example I read about:
10 or skins surround two Armenian teens, their leader forces him to kneel down before him, they started screaming things in russian and throw in a few SIEG HEILS! before he takes out his pocket knife and cuts the guys ear off. Screaming "This is for Chechnya" whilst doing so. They were all drunk.
"This is for Chechnya"? wtf did that have to do with that Armenian teenager?

I can see why you don't get it.
There exists a thing called "Litso kavkazskoy natsionalnosti". Central Asian and muslims of the Caucasus belong to that stereotype along with the rabiz type, typical unshaved, arrogant Armenians with no manners.

In fact, none of that crap makes sense. Hitler considered them Slavic untermenschen, I know I know, he really just hated the Bolshevik xxxs in power, but still. Those skinheads and the Armenian's grandfather's probably fought side by side against their nazi "enemy".
It's crazy, and it wasn't like that 5 years ago.

If you're registered in SF ask Alexey or my good friend Dr. A Jurievich. They will explain it better than me.

[Tigranes]

little do YOU know that the only reason they do that is cuz your so-called "pure" and best and awesomest and greatest Armenians from Haiastan have killed our name in places like Glendale. just read the LA Times or watch the news. or ask the police department.

We hate them more than you do except most of us don't see much of a difference between the rabiz outcasts and you.

[Tigranes]

Yes, but you see, that's alright, because Russian is an Indo-European language, and so is Armenian...so you see, our culture remains strong this way... Other acceptable languages would be French, Greek or..wait a minute, Hindi or Farsi!

No, I don't get it either, but some people definitely see a logic there.


Those people are mostly xxxs.

Hindus and Iranians are as IE as Mexicans :rolleyes:
Farsi is corrupted by semitic/turkic languages beyond repair.
Now Pahlavi or better yet Avestan I have no problem with.

[Tigranes]

I don't get it. why not?


never heard of Antranig Dzarougian...?
prooves how you're getting yourself into a topic you don't know about... Armenian Literature! for if you haven't read "Mangoutyoun choonetsogh Martig" you're missing a LOT!


Nope, nor has the entire country of Armenia :laugh:


wish I had the authority to take you to jail for saying that... amot!


Indoor? :laugh:

you know what? our meeting is coming up! I would LOVE to challenge you ...

No you wouldn't.

I was raised in Syria... and I speak fluent Arabic... we'll see who can speak purer Armenian without the usage of ANY odar terms!!!

You don't speak Armenian, you speak a corrupted form of Armenian that doesn't even have words for anything invented after the 19th century.
You people had no Abovyan.

now tell me when the last time was when you actually said AYO instead of DA!

Nobody ever says da, except Bakvecis! Take a guess why they didn't stay in Armenia after the expulsion from Azveristan? :rolleyes:


it's sad really... finding out that there's an increasing number of Armenians from Armenia who don't consider us arevmdahyes pure Armenians.
It's disgusting...

It's actually decreasing...

[Tigranes]

Txmar yerevuyt es bayc du Hayko.
You just hit puberty and now you're some kind of professor.
Stick to learning about the military.


Russians and Armenians have no cultural link, just because we speak an Indo-European tongue does not make us some kind of brothers.

I really do not understand why Russians would be this way to Armenians. See, another thing is, I have heard accounts where they do nothing to Blacks and Asians, but they only tend to pick on those whom have caucasian features (and many Armenians do have these features). Perhaps it is old soviet jealousy, as the people from the Caucasus excelled in all fields, especially love, and I am presuming this was out of Jealousy. However I am just guessing.

Here is the thing, I really do not care about Armenians today, it seems like we are hanging by a thread to our culture. My concern is with Armenians in the future. See, many forumers here want a good life for themselves, and they tend to look at the future too much, and seem to be very selfish. Our forefathers died to stay Armenian, now because we want to live a better life for ourselves, we are going to sell out the blood spilled for an Asian or Negro that will provide us a more comfortable life? Come on guys, there are not that many Armenians, we are an ancient race who has been around for 4.000 years! We have a goal to keep our race alive, we can not take the chance of mixing because there are merely 10mln of us World Wide!

If you can not find a perfect girl to be Armenian, please, do everything you possibly can to teach your child and spouse about our heritage and culture and language. Take your kids to Armenian Saturday school.

I understand most of the people on this forum who want to marry outside the race, truth is, you might have a better life than marrying an Armenian. However, you have to take into consideration that you are not only marrying for your personal pleasure (or a tax break) but for your children. A man and a woman marry to have children and start a family, make sure your kids are Armenian, or you might as well be commiting genocide on yourself.

Just my opinions.

[angelik22]

uff why does it matter whose more armenian than who? this is why we wont get anywhere- we need to learn how to stick together like the xxxs....

[Tigranes]

uff why does it matter whose more armenian than who? this is why we wont get anywhere- we need to learn how to stick together like the xxxs....

Not going to happen without racial, linguistic and cultural unity.
Inknasirutyun a petk.
But it will sooner or later.
Like I said, it took Greeks a century since independence. We'll do it sooner.

[angelik22]

umm we wont unless certain people stop biatching and stop the superiority complex bullxxxx theyre deiplaying! uff ..thats all i have left... a big UFF!! were likeoil and water- armeians dont like to stick together....it sickens me!

[xBaron Dants]

umm we wont unless certain people stop biatching and stop the superiority complex bullxxxx theyre deiplaying! uff ..thats all i have left... a big UFF!! were likeoil and water- armeians dont like to stick together....it sickens me!

Well, if it offers you any solace, in this thread, most armenians agree that one or two particular posters do not know what they're talking about. :D

Ignore my friend....ignore..

[XxgoeyxX]

At least you recognize it for what it is: Tough love. Nothing ever evolves without pain, and facing the demons that plague you. You have to understand my frustration. Being somewhere where no one has even heard of Armenians, I was ecstatic to say the least when I came across Armenian Chat! Than I was introduced to the divisions of the "different types" of Armenians, the different dialects, all the thug wannabes, all the real thugs dismembering our reputation, etc. To say I was disheartened would be the understatement of a lifetime. To see how far we've fallen is horrifying. And to close your eyes and pretend you can make it all go away by simply saying "marry Armenian".....is a cop out. There are bigger problems to keeping our culture than that over simplified, cliché of a phrase. Look at it from this standpoint: It was a lot of the Cali-100% Armenians that brought me to that state of disappointment. So if marrying Armenian is what's going to save our dying population, why is this the case? I mean, help me understand, here. All you guys want is a head count? Just increase the population? Doesn't matter how far the quality of that population falls?

And no, Goey. I haven't forgotten the great things about being Armenian. My friends and co-workers are sick to death of me bringing it up. Well...actually....a few of them have become obsessed, and now bug ME about Armenians. I spent a decent chunk of change picking up some things on eBay from Armenia, there is a massive Armenian flag on my living room wall (I love when people walk in, and you see that "wtf??" look on their face, but they try not to show it), and Paul (Baron's favorite, and mine) is often heard blasting from the home and car. In spite of having known approximately 0 Armenians, I still speak the launguage fluently. I may struggle with some of the "big" words, but I'd have no trouble in general holding a conversation....or singing along to Paul with Baron. I guess when I talk to people, the vibe I'm getting from large Armenian communities is that being around so many Armenians, the simple joy and pride of the culture has somewhat been lost. It's almost become like...a sub-culture, if you will. So I guess the old saying holds true: Everything in moderation, because too much of a good thing can be bad.

Yes, Crimson I understand you. I dont know how it feels to not be around Armenians, because I've been around them all my life. But yes the Armenians in LA have lost a lot of who and what they are. But I want to make something clear. I have stated many times on this forum that I will marry and Armenian and only an Armenian. Yes, I do feel that will keep the culture but I always want you to understand that this is how I have been raised. And yes you are right, there are bigger problems to face with this culture.

And let me add, when you said "to close your eyes and pretend you can make it all go away by simply saying "marry Armenian".....is a cop out." I totally understand you. All these Armenians marrying each other hasnt solved anything, because they do not know what it means to be a human being much less an Armenian. But for me marrying an Armenian is a step closer to solving that problem, because I know in so many ways he will feel the pain and love I feel for my people. Other then that I do not know what else to say, because I hold strong in what I believe and cannot let go of it. And also I feel I feel it is right thing for me. So, I guess each person is different.

[xBaron Dants]

lol Crimson, you're making me blush here..

The differences in our way of thinking is probably due to the fact that you haven't been around many Armenians. Have I lived a sheltered life where I can't speak to anybody who's not Armenian? Of course not. Do I try my hardest to become friends with Armenians only because they're Armenian? Nope. However, of all my friends, I have, with time, just grown a lot closer to my Armenian ones, without any real effort. As gaucho said, speaking and thinking in Armenian are natural things for me, and I cannot be at ease in a home where I have to express myself in another language, or with a wife to whom I can't express my deepest feelings in the language that would allow me to do so most naturally (that's if I one day choose to marry).

Now, on to the topic of WTF do numbers have to do with the overall quality of Armenians. First of all, I'd like to tell you to not despair. What you have seen on a chat site or what people have told you about LA is not necessarily true or representative.

Where I disagree with your logic is that you seem certain that you will marry some bimbo Armenian lady. That is not true. There are many, many intelligent and enjoyable Armenian women, and their conversations do not stop at shopping or money (just take a look at some of our female posters). Now, if a smart Armenian man like yourself marries a smart Armenian woman, chances are you'll raise a smart Armenian kid. But if a smart Armenian man like yourself marries an odar, and a smart Armenian lady marries an odar, chances are that I don't know what kind of child either of you will raise. If you're going to marry a non-Armenian..go ahead. Inch esem? But it is unfair to misrepresent the "need" that many of us feel to be with an Armenian as some sort of cop-out or useless sacrifice for the sake of the nation (although in the first place, I don't see it as useless, but that's not the main point here).

[TigranJamharian]

tigranes lay off the xxxxing crack for a while will you. Those "rats" you speak about are Armenian fathers that go and tolerate the worst of conditions so that they could send some money home so that their wives and children dont starve.
After the kind of crap that you said i dont even consider you Armenian anymore. At this point you are just as bad as a turk in my eyes and if i ever saw you in person my first instinct would probably be to beat the crap out of your self hating ass because i realized thats what you are, you try to create this fantasy world where Armenians are something different, more "white" perhaps, in the process you start rejecting the real Armenian culture and think that you know what being Armenian is about. Go stamp a fukking swastika on your forehead and call yourself russian or whatever the hell it is that you are desperately trying to turn Armenians into, i promise you noone here will miss you.

[xBaron Dants]

Tigran has spoken.

A special bravo for saying "you try to create this fantasy world where Armenians are something different, more "white" perhaps, in the process you start rejecting the real Armenian culture". Very well said, and very true, as demonstrated by the fact that baron Tigranes seems to think that Gor Mkhitarian's banjo and AFRICAN djembe are REAL Armenian.

[!EEK]

Open Attachement for the ULTIMATE 2k5 battle!

[nunechka]

stop fighting... :p

[!EEK]

stop fighting... :p

Yes make love, not war...

huh nune ;) :p

[MadHandle]

Tekeyan should not be on that list lol Dream on.
Levon Shant ok.
Never herad of the other two.

Most "Polsahays" are just turks.



More lies.
Karas is Armenian dummy. It's short for karogh es, ignoramus.
Davay is not considered an Armenian word and is not used by ANYONE over 20, and the kids that do sue it do so only in the streets as slang, as opposed to your so called "intellectuals" using arab words with every second word.
Russian is an IE language in any case, all IE words have the same root.

The Russians who are "killing" those scum are doing a favor to us. It's mostly gang violence anyway. I would kill them myself. They are filthy illegal alien criminals that dress and smell like gypsies and sell drugs to kids. Amen to that.



They weren't tourists. They lived in Yerevan, at the two dozen that I saw acted like they're in their sheikhs backyard.

Those skinhead russians do the same thing to Armenians...I got a cousin in Moscow, his a dentist and a couple of years ago he got beat real bad by those skin heads just cause he looked Armenian...so I don't see how those russians are doin any favor to you.

and stop hittin dope man...I don't know what your gased up on so much, but your views aren't even agreed by 1 person. Some of your comments are next to racist. An Armenian is an Armenian...as long as they awknoledge that then they should fit your standards. I don't have problems with mixed kids, but as longs as they are very aware of their other half...the Armenian one.

[!EEK]

I don't have problems with mixed kids, but as longs as they are very aware of their other half...the Armenian one.

oooohhh :o Come and give a big hug to a mixed armenian kid

*eek opens his arm wide

[TigranJamharian]

Open Attachement for the ULTIMATE 2k5 battle!

i thought me and Vrouyr were on the same side here.

[!EEK]

Oooh, sorry, I have red again vrouyr's post and I thought "Tigranes" was you...but it isn't..sorry :wave:

[Tigranes]

tigranes lay off the xxxxing crack for a while will you. Those "rats" you speak about are Armenian fathers that go and tolerate the worst of conditions so that they could send some money home so that their wives and children dont starve.
After the kind of crap that you said i dont even consider you Armenian anymore. At this point you are just as bad as a turk in my eyes and if i ever saw you in person my first instinct would probably be to beat the crap out of your self hating ass because i realized thats what you are, you try to create this fantasy world where Armenians are something different, more "white" perhaps, in the process you start rejecting the real Armenian culture and think that you know what being Armenian is about. Go stamp a fukking swastika on your forehead and call yourself russian or whatever the hell it is that you are desperately trying to turn Armenians into, i promise you noone here will miss you.


Look in the mirror, you look like one of those Ferengis from Star Trek. Subhuman.

Edit by ckBejug: Tigranes DO NOT ATTACK OTHER MEMBERS. Just so you know, most of the people in here can read and write Armenian so you'd best keep things like this to yourself.

[sleuth]

Look in the mirror, you look like one of those Ferengis from Star Trek. Subhuman.

etc

AMOT kez tigranes . Ays inch bareres ogtagorcum?? ches amachum?? Ev du kez hamarumes vorakov hay?? daye voraket?chaperit chanachir.!!!

You are way out of proportion.
Take your crap and personal things to your pms.

[TigranJamharian]

Edit by ckBejug: Please Tigran don't stoop to his level. If you want to reply I suggest you use PM but please remember that threatening other members, even if they have threatened you themselves, is against the rules. Tigranes will be warned as a result, be careful so you won't be warned too.

[!EEK]

I don't know why but fighting in armenian sounds a lot meaner than in english :)

[MadHandle]

I don't know why but fighting in armenian sounds a lot meaner than in english :)

oh it is.... :cool: and non of them even really went into swaring...

[Hayq]

"Txmar yerevuyt es bayc du Hayko.
You just hit puberty and now you're some kind of professor.
Stick to learning about the military"

What are you trying to say?

Listen, man. It is hard enough to stay Armenian in western society without closing yourself off from the outside world. I have logic, and you sound like a radical. The Russians are not going to help the ARmenians, no one is going to help the Armenians. Do you think someone would shed a tear for Armenians? NO! It is only Armenians who must care about Armenians. Stop causing divisions and weakening the race! Like I said, there are only 10mln of us, according to your BS comments that will leave only 6-8mln, and then we will have the ones who do not think like you which will bring us down to 1mln Armenians...yes, that would be mighty grand now would it not?

Stay Armenian. If Mixing is inevitable, make sure your kids are Armenian. PERIOD.

[Tigranes]

Ahhh, I can sit there for half a day, sometimes more, just reading over all their articles and resources. The new site design is really good, but not everything is up yet.
But... there is one thing I read yesterday that made me wonder...
It claimed that Arminius was in fact an Armenian, and his people, the Cherusci were also Armenian. It claimed they were from the Armenian Highlands, and said something along the lines of "Arminius and his 30,000 Armenian Horseman waged a war against the Romans and defeated them at Teuteburg Forest".
Bit outrageous no? This is the only source that claims such a thing. :confused:
There was also something about "Armenian blood flowing in the veins of the Bavarian people".


Touche!

Obviously it is absurd.
There are worse myths than that believe me. Overall, I think it's a great site.

[Crimson Glow]

Yes, Crimson I understand you... I have stated many times on this forum that I will marry and Armenian and only an Armenian. Yes, I do feel that will keep the culture but I always want you to understand that this is how I have been raised....I hold strong in what I believe and cannot let go of it...

Ok...I don't know what else to tell you that I didn't already say in my previous reply. Why do you want me to "always understand this" about you? I'm confused as to why you keep saying this. Marry only Armenian. Who's stopping you? When did I ever tell you not to?? :confused: Again, the only reason this debate went as far as it did is because initially, YOU insulted MY views, not the other way around. I didn't go around saying don't marry Armenian, or try to convince you otherwise. I merely said I am not going to force MYself to if I don't fall in love with one, and then have a screwed up family due to such an unhealthy environment. YOU'RE the one that jumped in at that point with the ever so popular amongst Armenians "ESH ES" comment. So why do YOU keep trying to make it sound like I need to understand YOUR view?? :confused:

Unrelated to our exchanges, the comments I quoted from you above are a prime example of why me and most Armenian girls would never be..."soul mates." I'll explain it deeper in my next reply to Baron, but one quote sums up my stance fairly easily, and is the exact opposite of what most Armenian girls want to hear: "Beliefs allow the mind to cease functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing."

[XxgoeyxX]

Ok...I don't know what else to tell you that I didn't already say in my previous reply. Why do you want me to "always understand this" about you? I'm confused as to why you keep saying this. Marry only Armenian. Who's stopping you? When did I ever tell you not to?? :confused: Again, the only reason this debate went as far as it did is because initially, YOU insulted MY views, not the other way around. I didn't go around saying don't marry Armenian, or try to convince you otherwise. I merely said I am not going to force MYself to if I don't fall in love with one, and then have a screwed up family due to such an unhealthy environment. YOU'RE the one that jumped in at that point with the ever so popular amongst Armenians "ESH ES" comment. So why do YOU keep trying to make it sound like I need to understand YOUR view?? :confused:

Unrelated to our exchanges, the comments I quoted from you above are a prime example of why me and most Armenian girls would never be..."soul mates." I'll explain it deeper in my next reply to Baron, but one quote sums up my stance fairly easily, and is the exact opposite of what most Armenian girls want to hear: "Beliefs allow the mind to cease functioning. A non-functioning mind is clinically dead. Believe in nothing."


O jan I didnt mean it in a bad way. My comment wasnt really through you..it was more in general for other people as well. I apologize for the misunderstanding. OOh and yes I did ask for your views..but I thought I share mine too.....sowwieee. I didnt mean to butt in.

BTW when did I say Esh es to you. I dont feel that way about you..nor did I even think that. Nor did I say it. I love reading your posts...because you give great points about Armenians.

Are you sure this comment wasnt for gaucho...I dont know...I didnt mean any of it in a bad way.

[Crimson Glow]

Where I disagree with your logic is that you seem certain that you will marry some bimbo Armenian lady. That is not true. There are many, many intelligent and enjoyable Armenian women, and their conversations do not stop at shopping or money (just take a look at some of our female posters).

That's not what I meant at all. In fact, I would expect far more American bimbos who's lives revolve around shopping and money, than Armenian ones. What I meant was....well....I assume you've seen some of my debates and philosophies on the "matrix" theory and such on this forum by now. Well, I feel the chances of finding an Armenian girl who A. I'm attracted to while she, B. Has the capacity to understand such things, and C. Accepts/agrees with these theories (or is at least open minded about them) is slim to none. I mean, let's just start with an Armenian girl who refused to concretely believe in god. That just eliminated about 80% of the population, I would think. And that was with just one requirement. The list goes on, and is pretty extensive. So...when I say "simple-minded", I don't necessarily mean a "bimbo". What I'm getting at is that most Armenians are just too tradition bound for such thoughts, and refuse to probe and prod at the foundation their existence was built upon, and I just can't tolerate the thought of marrying someone who won't do so, who won't rise above her surroundings and upbringing to look at existence on a grander scale. I've come too far along this path to be dragged down by someone who won't join me on this journey.

Again, in spite of what I have said, I have never once claimed I've abolished the possibility of marrying an Armenian. The only thing I wanted to get across is that I will not limit my already extremely slim chances of marrying to merely Armenian girls. Plus, finding ANY Armenian, let alone a girl...in my age group....that I'd actually be attracted to physically.....and than emotional/mentally....would require a pretty distant move from my current location and life, and I have no intention of restructuring the life I have established here any time soon.

As for my "cop out" statement, I didn't mean the need of some of you to be with an Armenian itself was a cop out. I meant stupid comments like "if you don't marry Armenian, you're not fulfilling your obligation" are cop outs, because the roots of our problems go deeper than this silly little statement, and have not been eradicated by keeping within the race/ethnicity.

And you can bet your sweet ass, whoEVER I marry (if I do), the kids will learn the language, heritage, history, and culture better than half the kids coming from those "100% pure" Armenian families. This is certainly a prerequisite for any female if the relationship is going to work. If she doesn't agree, or doesn't feel like getting involved/participating, she can take a hike. Anyone that knows me (yes, even the white yuppies) knows it's as important to me as the "believe in nothing" philosophy, so there's no room for compromise, here.

Better understanding, Baron Timberlake? :p

[Crimson Glow]

O jan I didnt mean it in a bad way. My comment wasnt really through you..it was more in general for other people as well. I apologize for the miss understand. OOh and yes I did ask for your views..but I thought I share mine too.....sowwieee. I didnt mean to butt in.

BTW when did I say Esh es to you. I dont feel that way about you..nor did I even think that. I love reading your posts...because you give great points about Armenians.

Are you sure this comment wasnt for gaucho...I dont know...I didnt mean any of it in a bad way.

Goey: It is I that owes the apology. :o I subscribed to the one action I despise: Jumping to conclusions. When I read the comments, they were so in tune to what she was saying, that I automatically thought they were Gaucho's. I should have known there was far too much credit being handed out for my comments to be her post. Sorry!!! :crying: :crying:

[xBaron Dants]

lol @ Baron Timberlake! (My hair is not as short now though).

And yes, not much more to add. Both our positions are quite clear.

I completely understand your point of view......though deep down, I'm hoping you come across that one Armenian girl of your dreams...:)

[XxgoeyxX]

Goey: It is I that owes the apology. :o I subscribed to the one action I despise: Jumping to conclusions. When I read the comments, they were so in tune to what she was saying, that I automatically thought they were Gaucho's. Sorry!!! :crying: :crying:


LOll...no no I am glad everything is cleared up. I just wanted to give you my point of view...that is all. :)

[Hayq]

wait...goey is female?

[nunechka]

what man would have the name goey??? it sounds girly... LOL! anywho i am glad you all are not fighting anymore... i was getting worried... :)

[XxgoeyxX]

what man would have the name goey??? it sounds girly... LOL! anywho i am glad you all are not fighting anymore... i was getting worried... :)


haha no one was fighting it was just a misunderstading. With Hayq as well. he just thought I was being a jerk to him when I wasnt. No worries. and thanks Nune..I miss you!

[Thai-Samurai]

oh man, how can you say xxxs assimilate? they are the last ones to assimilate, i know xxxs here in new york whos relatives have been here for more than a hundred years and they still keep their traditions and are really pro-israel/xxxish causes.

Dont mix with anyone, but if you do, please mix with the greeks or the french, my two other favorite nations in the world.

As for asian girls, yes most of them are boring and dry. but then there are the exceptional few that are great, bodywise and that are just so damn sexy. Anyway, always good for a quick lay. but no armeno-asians please. i dont want to look in the phone book and find a couple of Armen Lee's in a few years.

btw, why was pyunik banned, and what could be better than Ararat badrijani ikra with grey bread. ukhai!

that last part was really fun to read.

[Thai-Samurai]

Yes, Crimson I understand you. I dont know how it feels to not be around Armenians, because I've been around them all my life. But yes the Armenians in LA have lost a lot of who and what they are. But I want to make something clear. I have stated many times on this forum that I will marry and Armenian and only an Armenian. Yes, I do feel that will keep the culture but I always want you to understand that this is how I have been raised. And yes you are right, there are bigger problems to face with this culture.

And let me add, when you said "to close your eyes and pretend you can make it all go away by simply saying "marry Armenian".....is a cop out." I totally understand you. All these Armenians marrying each other hasnt solved anything, because they do not know what it means to be a human being much less an Armenian. But for me marrying an Armenian is a step closer to solving that problem, because I know in so many ways he will feel the pain and love I feel for my people. Other then that I do not know what else to say, because I hold strong in what I believe and cannot let go of it. And also I feel I feel it is right thing for me. So, I guess each person is different.

I like that, it's true.

[Thai-Samurai]

Wow that was a long read, I have to think to myself, "What have I done?" I beleive the Armenians are a powerful people, and one day we will rise to our challenge. I like how Crimson Glow said beleive in nothing. That strikes very close to home. You see it isn't just culture that makes us who we are, it is our minds. And initially, your mind is empty, your thoughts echo in your head. I could say I'm a philosopher more than I am Armenian. But I also do beleive that I should marry an Armenian. Whenever I talk to girls or flirt or whatever. I always think, could I marry her? Could I devote my whole self to that person? I realize not her nor anybody else, because I can see that deep down they wont be able to understand me. And I mean that in more ways than just being Armenian. So I have to beleive that one day I will meet the one and she will be Armenian. And I also happened to figure out the perfect way of increasing those chances.

[steelers10]

And I also happened to figure out the perfect way of increasing those chances.

And what way is that? Enlighten us, lol.