Lack of Armenian schools in Glendale

[Che_Ka]

So last night I was having dinner with some friends, and being the nationalists that we are (LOL!), we were once again discussing the state of Armenian-American youth.

And again, the same topic came up. With an Armenian population of 40,000, why does Glendale have such a lack of Armenian schools?

Not only that -- there's not even an Armenian high school in Glendale!! The closest we get is Chamlian, and that only goes until 8th grade.

And that's not the only problem with Chamlian. The second problem is its location. It's hidden in the hills on the border of Glendale and La Crescenta. WE NEED SCHOOLS IN CENTRAL GLENDALE!!

There is a whole Armenian-American generation growing up without an Armenian education and it's really scary. As a product of Armenian education from K-12, I can testify to its importance.

Other Armenian population centers, such as Hollywood, can boast 2 Armenian high schools (Pilibos, Dikranian) -- and Glendale doesn't even have one? It is so ridiculous. And it's not even a matter of market saturation, because there isn't an Armenian high school anywhere near Glendale. Ferrahian and Manoogian are like 15 miles away. Pilibos/Dikranian, maybe 10 miles. Mesrobian, 15 or so.

Certainly I can understand that there may be some new immigrants that can't afford the tuition costs - but I refuse to believe that Glendale can't support at least 1 Armenian high school.

Does anyone know if the Prelacy -- or any other organization -- has plans to open an Armenian day school in central Glendale? I feel like something must be done, and quick.

Any thoughts?

[ckBejug]

So last night I was having dinner with some friends, and being the nationalists that we are (LOL!), we were once again discussing the state of Armenian-American youth.

And again, the same topic came up. With an Armenian population of 40,000, why does Glendale have such a lack of Armenian schools?

Not only that -- there's not even an Armenian high school in Glendale!! The closest we get is Chamlian, and that only goes until 8th grade.

And that's not the only problem with Chamlian. The second problem is its location. It's hidden in the hills on the border of Glendale and La Crescenta. WE NEED SCHOOLS IN CENTRAL GLENDALE!!

There is a whole Armenian-American generation growing up without an Armenian education and it's really scary. As a product of Armenian education from K-12, I can testify to its importance.

Other Armenian population centers, such as Hollywood, can boast 2 Armenian high schools (Pilibos, Dikranian) -- and Glendale doesn't even have one? It is so ridiculous. And it's not even a matter of market saturation, because there isn't an Armenian high school anywhere near Glendale. Ferrahian and Manoogian are like 15 miles away. Pilibos/Dikranian, maybe 10 miles. Mesrobian, 15 or so.

Certainly I can understand that there may be some new immigrants that can't afford the tuition costs - but I refuse to believe that Glendale can't support at least 1 Armenian high school.

Does anyone know if the Prelacy -- or any other organization -- has plans to open an Armenian day school in central Glendale? I feel like something must be done, and quick.

Any thoughts?

I think that even if an Armenian school were built in Glendale the Armenians living there would still send their children to public schools in order not to pay the tuition at a private school. It's unfortunate but very true. Mekhitarian school, also in La crescenta, is K-12th and parents still don't send their kids there. Don't tell me it's too far away or hidden. It is ridiculously easy to find the directions. Where there's a will there's a way, and sadly I don't think there's a will. When I was still in high school and my sister was in middle school, we lived in Glendale. My mom would drive my sister to Chamlian and my dad would drive me to Ferrahian every morning and then my mom would get us after her work was over and drive us all the way back to Glendale. In order to have us have an Armenian education she drove all around to get us to school. It's sad that we have Armenian schools like Chamlian, Pilibos, Mekhitarian, that hardly have any students even though the Armenian poopulation around 'LA' is so large. I don't think a lot of Armenians are willing to pay money to send their kids to school, plain and simple, so any Armenian school that was built would no doubt be in large amounts of debt sdue to a meager, if any, population of students. :(

[Che_Ka]

Is it a matter of priorities, or do they just not have the money?

I often wonder whether Armenians from outside Armenia are more enthusiastic/zealous/concerned with Armenian education than are Armenians from Armenia. Sometimes I think Western Armenians place more importance on keeping the language, etc. But other times, I don't think so.

Or is it just an issue of the fact that many recent immigrants did not come here with the luxury of money, unlike many of the Middle East immigrants in the 70s and 80s?

So do they just not care enough to send their kids to Armenian schools, or do they not have the money?

I realize I'm simplifying a bit. There can be other reasons -- parents don't want their kids in a monoethnic environment, parents may not want kids to learn WA over EA, the school may be too far away, etc.

[ckBejug]

Is it a matter of priorities, or do they just not have the money?

I often wonder whether Armenians from outside Armenia are more enthusiastic/zealous/concerned with Armenian education than are Armenians from Armenia. Sometimes I think Western Armenians place more importance on keeping the language, etc. But other times, I don't think so.

Or is it just an issue of the fact that many recent immigrants did not come here with the luxury of money, unlike many of the Middle East immigrants in the 70s and 80s?

So do they just not care enough to send their kids to Armenian schools, or do they not have the money?

I realize I'm simplifying a bit. There can be other reasons -- parents don't want their kids in a monoethnic environment, parents may not want kids to learn WA over EA, the school may be too far away, etc.

I really do think it is lack of will to pay money for Armenian private schools. I don't think they wish to teach their kids one Armenian over the other. Anyway, Chamlian, for example, offers both EA and WA, so there is no problem there. I don't even think it is lack of money. Don't tell me all those parents driving Mercedes and BMW all over Glendale don't have money for tuition. It is, plain and simple, lack of will. I wish anyone could convince me otherwise, but for the majority of them, I am not saying ALL, but for a majority that is the reason. As for those who are very willing but simply can't afford to pay 1. there are financial aid programs at these schools and 2. more often these are the children who either go to Saturday school for Armenian language or their parents definitely teach them.

[CatWoman]

Agreed, it IS lack of will, not a financial thing at all. People who care enough can always come up with the money... Exactly, those parents driving Mercedes and BMWs can't afford to send their kids to an Armenian private school? You know what's even more disgusting, them talking to their kids in English! I was at the Glendale Galleria the other day and this Armenian mom next to us was talkin to her 4-5 year old in English, now the mother wasn't even fluent in English herself, but still she insisted on talkin to the kid in English. I sooooo wanted to say something. I mean you live in the States, your kid will eventually learn the language but it's Armenian that's important and they don't really get to practice it anywhere outside their home! :mad:

My 5 year old cousin on the other hand already knows how to read and write in Armenian and she'll start school next year. So proud of her :D
My family always cared, and I'll do the same.... no matter who I marry or where I live or how much money I make, I will send my kids to an Armenian school, I mean that's the least I can do.
So yeah, there are plenty of Armenian schools but lack of demand. Sometimes you wanna pick these parents up and shake them! lol

[nairi]

Maybe it's also lack of information on these schools. Maybe many parents are afraid that Armenian schools are of a lower standard than American schools, or that they won't have the "pass" to higher education.

Also, what I found surprising is that although two of my cousins attended an Armenian high school in LA, neither of them speak, read or write fluent Armenian. Furthermore, they know little to nothing about Armenian literature, history or otherwise. In fact, their Armenian and knowledge of Armenian lit, hist, etc. is at least ten times worse than my cousins who didn't go to an Armenian school and don't live in LA. Maybe this is another reason parents are reluctant to send their kids to an Armenian school. After all, what's the point if kids are not even going to learn Armenian or anything Armenian?

[ckBejug]

Maybe it's also lack of information on these schools. Maybe many parents are afraid that Armenian schools are of a lower standard than American schools, or that they won't have the "pass" to higher education.

Also, what I found surprising is that although two of my cousins attended an Armenian high school in LA, neither of them speak, read or write fluent Armenian. Furthermore, they know little to nothing about Armenian literature, history or otherwise. In fact, their Armenian and knowledge of Armenian lit, hist, etc. is at least ten times worse than my cousins who didn't go to an Armenian school and don't live in LA. Maybe this is another reason parents are reluctant to send their kids to an Armenian school. After all, what's the point if kids are not even going to learn Armenian or anything Armenian?

If it is information they need they should go talk to the counselors of the schools and ask for past years' college admissions data so they can see how many of the students from those schools went on to higher education. It is easy to assume something is a certain way without going out and actively educating yourself about how the school operates, what kind of classes it offers, what benefits it will have for your childs future. For example, from my graduating class and from my sisters at ferrahian we had admissions to UCBerkeley, Stanford, USC, UCLA, UCIrvine, UCRiverside, and CSUN. As well, a few Armenian schools even have joint programs with community colleges so that students can take another language, like Spanish, or take courses that will allow the student to have one or two classes at a community college and get credit for both their high school and college course work.

As for your cousins who attended Armenian school, no offense or anything, but there were people who graduated with me and didn't know a fourth of the things I know about Armenian, Armenian lit., and Armenian History. it's because they didn't try to learn anything. Didn't care. It's because it is easy to pass a class with a C with only little knowledge of what is going on in the class and there are plenty of Armenian kids out there who just don't give a damn and don't pay attention in class and don't study. The Armenian education at these schools is pretty good and someone who actualy cares and pays attention is no doubt going to get a better education than someone who would much rather be anywhere else but in class. So, I highly doubt it is lack of offering of a good education that keeps some students ignorant of the Armenian language, lit, history and culture that is taught in Armenian schools, it is simply a lack of will on their part to give a damn and learn something.

[nairi]

If those schools are so good, how come the percentage of students not caring is so high?

[ckBejug]

If those schools are so good, how come the percentage of students not caring is so high?

Oh, please! As if the amount a person cares about his or education increases with the quality of the school?? Oh no. No matter how good a school is, a person who simply does not care about his or her education will not recieve a proper education even in the most excellent of schools. Schools will provide you with an education so long as your are willing to study and put time and effort into it. If someone doesn't care and doesn't study not even the most elite of Ivy League schools will provide him with any kind of education unless he puts an effort in to better himself.

[nairi]

I think there is definitely a link between good performance and school. If the majority of Armenian school graduate come out dumber than when they went in, I can only empathize with parents who decide not to send their kids to an Armenian school, esp. if there is a non-Armenian one that is better for their child.

[ckBejug]

I think there is definitely a link between good performance and school. If the majority of Armenian school graduate come out dumber than when they went in, I can only empathize with parents who decide not to send their kids to an Armenian school, esp. if there is a non-Armenian one that is better for their child.

Like I said before, unless a child is willing to learn, no matter what kind of school he or she goes to, he will not learn a thing. And also, like I said before, I have seen the level of education someone who goes to an Armenian private school can get and it's a good education. In fact, Armenian schools get accredited by the state just like all other schools, other private and public schools, and unless they pass certain standards of education level, they don't get accredited. It's a pity there are parents out there who are not willing to pay to get their kids this kind of education, however I am willing to bet their kids probably wouldn't put forth the effort anyway to get as much out of the private school experience as they could, so it's probably better they just go to public schools.

[Anonymouse]

I think Armenians need to really put more quality in their schools which doesn't seem to be the case.

As a side note, when I was a teen my mom made me and my brother attend Narek school somewhere in Glendale, right on Glendale Blvd actually close to Lomita or Maple or something. It was saturday school though, but still. I learned how to read and write Armenian here in the States.

[ckBejug]

As a product of Armenian education from K-12, I can testify to its importance.


Where did you go to school?

[Siggie]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was in Armenian school for as long as my parents could afford to send me, but tuition kept rising and they couldn't do it. Once I was out though, I don't think I would have gone back if they had been able. You make friends and grow attached to the school you're at.
I don't even know what tuition is, but I'm sure there's a significant percentage of parents who have the will and lack the funds.

[nairi]

It's because it is easy to pass a class with a C with only little knowledge of what is going on in the class

I think this might have something to do with the problem.

[ckBejug]

I think this might have something to do with the problem.

What problem? Every school is like this, and if you don't think so then maybe you haven't chanced upon the droves of stupid, terribly uneducated 'high school graduates' out there. :rolleyes:

[ckBejug]

I can't speak for anyone else, but I was in Armenian school for as long as my parents could afford to send me, but tuition kept rising and they couldn't do it. Once I was out though, I don't think I would have gone back if they had been able. You make friends and grow attached to the school you're at.
I don't even know what tuition is, but I'm sure there's a significant percentage of parents who have the will and lack the funds.

I think there probably are a few parents who lack the funds, but I think a far majority of parents just don't want to pay tuition. Or else all those people in Glendale driving around in their fancy ass cars and picking up their kids from public school would have their kids in private schools instead. Even those parents who can't afford the tuition should know that the schools are often willing to give financial aid to good students.

[nairi]

What problem? Every school is like this, and if you don't think so then maybe you haven't chanced upon the droves of stupid, terribly uneducated 'high school graduates' out there. :rolleyes:

I guess not where I live. Not that I'm saying it's good here, but chances of a majority of students graduating at a certain minimum level in one school is almost guaranteed. You're not good or ambitious enough? Find another school. And vice versa.

[ckBejug]

I guess not where I live. Not that I'm saying it's good here, but chances of a majority of students graduating at a certain minimum level in one school is almost guaranteed. You're not good or ambitious enough? Find another school. And vice versa.

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

[CatWoman]

If those schools are so good, how come the percentage of students not caring is so high?
What does one have to do with the other? If people don't care, they don't care, period. There is nothing the school can do to change that. I don't see a connection between caring and the quality of the school. People can hold the best job in the world and not care for their job and go to work everyday wishing they were somewhere else...
Also, how do you know the percentage is high? Almost all of my cousins went to Chamlian, and well... they DID care.

[nairi]

I have no idea what you're trying to say.

There's something like A-level and O-level schools here. A-levels are for students who like studying and are academic. In a school like that you would have to do just a bit more than nothing to get an F for a class. Now imagine what you would have to do to get a D, C, let alone a B or A.

In other words: if your child is not competent in an A-level school, they get kicked out.

In other words: everyone graduating from an A-level school is academic by definition and can go on to any higher education.

Your school, where you say quite a few of your fellow students graduated as idiots, only shows what school you went to, rather than how smart you are.

[ckBejug]

There's something like A-level and O-level schools here. A-levels are for students who like studying and are academic. In a school like that you would have to do just a bit more than nothing to get an F for a class. Now imagine what you would have to do to get a D, C, let alone a B or A.

In other words: if your child is not competent in an A-level school, they get kicked out.

In other words: everyone graduating from an A-level school is academic by definition and can go on to any higher education.

Your school, where you say quite a few of your fellow students graduated as idiots, only shows what school you went to, rather than how smart you are.

I never said that any of the people I graduated with are idiots. :rolleyes: I said there are quite a few stupid people in all of the US, due to the lovely crappy public school education. In fact, if you read what I was writing about how pretty much 100% of students from my class in school went on to pursue higher education, I was remarking about why it is better to go to the Armenian schools because the education level is better there. Also, there were A level and B level classes in my school too. A level for the harder classes and advanced placement and B level for those who took regular classes without advanced coursework. It's an interesting concept that the schools wherever you are are segregated into people who 'want to study' and those who don't. Too bad there isn't such a thing like that around here.

[dstyle]

Most everyone in my class has got there bachelors, or tried colleges at the least. Out of 37 of us I think over 30 have there degrees, out of that a good 15 have there masters, or are lawyers and stuff already, pretty good number, I doubt any public high school can claim that percentage.