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[dani87]

Hi everyone...i live in Sweden...my name is Daniel (19 years) my father is armenian and my mother is ARAMEAN....but at least i see my self as armenian which everyone who have a armenian father should.....my parents are born in mardin province of Turkey but my father roots are from the city of Palu near Elazig (kharput).....my family can not speak armenian which hurts really much:crying: but someday i will....my family speaks mostly kurdish and also turkish :eek: and some syriac/aramean..well that was my story;) nice to find places like this on the net.....:)

[TomServo]

So you're half Assyrian?

[dani87]

So you're half Assyrian?

well actually i'm not sure on this.....my mother tells me she is aramean (suryani)...it's a big name conflict going on between people who call themselves assyrians and arameans...assyrians state that the arameans are extinct and that those who call themselves arameans/suryani actually are assyrians...and the aramean part tells the exakt same story about assyrians....arameans have the upperhand here in sweden but in many other countries like in the states the assyrians have the upperhand....this story actually are much longer and very complicated....but i really don't care so much...because i feel armenian :)

[One-Way]

Welcome and stay active.

[Siggie]

Welcome to the forums Dani! Glad you found us. :D

[bell-the-cat]

Welcome Daniel. :wave:

So your father emigrated from Turkey, yes?

I'd be interested in finding out what life was like for him in Turkey before he left. When you say your father's roots are from Palu, do you mean that his parents were born there, or that their parents originated from there? Palu is actually a small town, not a city. I've been there several times. There are also the ruins of old Palu nearby, probably abandoned since the 1930s.

[dani87]

Welcome Daniel. :wave:

So your father emigrated from Turkey, yes?

I'd be interested in finding out what life was like for him in Turkey before he left. When you say your father's roots are from Palu, do you mean that his parents were born there, or that their parents originated from there? Palu is actually a small town, not a city. I've been there several times. There are also the ruins of old Palu nearby, probably abandoned since the 1930s.

ok i will give you the whole story :D......my father originate from old Palu.....but that was a long time ago...even we don't know how long ago our ancestors left Old Palu...but it happened after trouble with the local Aga/Emir who was a Kurd....

my ancestors left Old Palu after killing the Aga's son...the family decided to go separate ways because they knew the aga would come after them and so my forefathers came to the city Siirt (Sirnek District) and then they left and went to the village Findik .....and then when 1915 came my grandfathers father Pegoz/Boghos was the only one in the family who survived...

he know fleed to a small village near the city Cizre were my grandfaher was born but then again after problems with the local kurdish aga my family left againnow to settle in a village near the city of Mardin called Dargecit/kerboran this city was inhabitted by a majority of cristian Arameans/assyrian and a growing population of kurds and also 3 armenian families....in this city my father was born....

and according to what he tells me the daily life over there was mostly streetfights against the kurds every day...bribing the turkish miltary was a necessitiy to don't get beat up...but the christians where much richer then the kurds so mostly it was the kurds that got beaten up...and to avoid military service was crucial....

though my grandfather finally did it...my grandfather couldn't speak turkish..only kurdish so everyone thought he was a kurd the first days until one day when everyone was to tell the islamic creed ...my grandfather obiosly could't do that...which almost cost his life

at the time of his return the situation with the kurds was uncontrolable....people were dieing on both sides....this was in the beginning of 1970:is ...at the same time as the word reached all the christian villages in the vilajet/district of Mardin about Europe...relatives reported back about money who came home with Mail!!! (social services helping out)

the kurds got even more succesfull over time..pushing out the christians taking their land(and riches)...the start to massemigration from my fathers village was when one of the more prominent christians got killed (executed) now everone left...one of the armenian families from my fathers village who left for Germany was able to avenge the kurdish atrocities by killing the kurdish aga's son..

it's so sick that a goerment can let these stuff happen......no safety..no help..but what can you expect from turkszzz.Even today the opression gets a reminder....all the men in my family can't go back to visit Turkey...we get mail one time a year from the turks reminding that we must do military service or pay like 20 000 euro...

if it's anything specific you want to ask about plz do so.....i made my story so short as i could

tell me some about yoour self and tell me about Palu:)

[bimmrgirl]

Hi, welcome :wave:

[bell-the-cat]

Thanks for that reply, Daniel. Interesting stuff. Proves once again that no-one can co-exist with Kurds.
I'll try to post a few pictures of old Palu here in the coming days. I'm just assuming that the place was abandoned in the 1930s since I don't know anything much about its actual recent history. All that's left are the ruins of a big Armenian church, 2 mosques, a hamman, a big bridge, and some walls of a castle. And interesting Urartian stuff like a "treasure gate" and an underground tunnel that seems to go on and on forever.

[dani87]

Thanks for that reply, Daniel. Interesting stuff. Proves once again that no-one can co-exist with Kurds.
I'll try to post a few pictures of old Palu here in the coming days. I'm just assuming that the place was abandoned in the 1930s since I don't know anything much about its actual recent history. All that's left are the ruins of a big Armenian church, 2 mosques, a hamman, a big bridge, and some walls of a castle. And interesting Urartian stuff like a "treasure gate" and an underground tunnel that seems to go on and on forever.

thanks for the info....and thanks for the pics (that may come up) in advance:) .....i wonder what you did in Palu are you also from that area??

[Ari]

kool dude welcome

all my reloes are from istanbul turkey and before that sivas turkey i think

hardly anyone left now everyones leaving

[bell-the-cat]

thanks for the info....and thanks for the pics (that may come up) in advance:) .....i wonder what you did in Palu are you also from that area??

No, I just went there to see what there was there to see. :D

Legend says that Metsrop Mashots invented the Armenian alphabet in a cave below Palu castle.

[dani87]

kool dude welcome

all my reloes are from istanbul turkey and before that sivas turkey i think

hardly anyone left now everyones leaving

ok:) and thanks for welcoming me...

[dani87]

No, I just went there to see what there was there to see. :D

Legend says that Metsrop Mashots invented the Armenian alphabet in a cave below Palu castle.

ok so you just went over there...that sounds great:)