Armenia slipping away?

[ace]

http://panarmenian.net/news/eng/?nid=17233

And their about to buy the remaining 20% of gas control Armenia has...

Does anybody else feel like Armenias slippin away...becoming just a Russian enclave?

[TomServo]

Yes.

[Ari]

armtel was always a disaster

hopefully prices will drop now

so where deciding to sell everything off now ahhh no good

[Anonymouse]

What's wrong with you people? How can you sit here and state that somehow a monopoly is a good thing and now that it's disappearing its gloom and doom?

Good riddens, let the market thrive and the highest bidder please offer money now!

[TigranJamharian]

disgusting. And OTE is probably going to sell Armentel to a Russian company as well. f-ck these russians trying to control our country. when the hell will kocharian stop sucking putin's dikk

[karoaper]

Guys unfortunately, ever since privatization, many unique Armenian services and productions have been sold to foreign companies. I'm more saddened with the sale of Yerevan Brandy company (Ararat congac) and Armenia's railroad and etc. If it's not the Russians, it's the French or the Germans. The sad reality is that Armenian bussinessmen have little capital and infrustructure to own their own businesses. Of course, the alternative is even worse: freeze up of said services and production. Our generation needs to get successful and rich, so we may buy back our economy from foreign conglomerates.

[jgk3]

Yeah, for the time being, it will stimulate our economy... We couldn't do it on our own as a post-soviet state, might as well give this a try.

[Anonymouse]

Yeah, for the time being, it will stimulate our economy... We couldn't do it on our own as a post-soviet state, might as well give this a try.

Precisely.

Once Armenia's economy is more stimulated, and capital flows and investment continues, it will uplift the economy and many younger entreperneurs from Armenia and abroad will have more reason and more capital to invest and buy back all these things.

At this point, monopolies will be unhealthy and bad for consumers and the economy. Why settle for mediocre ends when a foreign company who has the capital and money to keep the services going?

Over half a century of Soviet socialistic protectionism and Armenians still don't get it any more than other people ignorant of economics. Protectionism, monopolies, tariffs, all harm the economy and people within it. It's about damn time I say.

[skhara]

f-ck these russians trying to control our country.

Of coarse Russia is going to. Why the hell wouldn't they? If you were Russia you'd try to control as much as you can as well, Armenia is quite an easy target given her geostrategic position.

Anyway, one step at a time. The most important thing is demographics, maybe Russian companies in Armenia will keep employment for Armenians and keep Armenians in Armenia. Besides there are other perks Armenia enjoys, like protection from Turks, and cheaper weapons, officer training.

when the hell will kocharian stop sucking putin's dikk

As soon as he starts sucking Bush's xxxx like Sukashvilli. :)

[karoaper]

As soon as he starts sucking Bush's xxxx like Sukashvilli. :)

You mean Bliadiashvili right?

[skhara]

You mean Bliadiashvili right?

That's too many typos. :laugh:

[TigranJamharian]

Of coarse Russia is going to. Why the hell wouldn't they? If you were Russia you'd try to control as much as you can as well, Armenia is quite an easy target given her geostrategic position.

Anyway, one step at a time. The most important thing is demographics, maybe Russian companies in Armenia will keep employment for Armenians and keep Armenians in Armenia. Besides there are other perks Armenia enjoys, like protection from Turks, and cheaper weapons, officer training.



As soon as he starts sucking Bush's xxxx like Sukashvilli. :)

What happened to the companies that were handed over to Russia to settle the $100 million debt. NOTHING. All their promises of investments and new jobs were BS and these factories and research facilities are working at a lower level than they were before the handover. Im not against privatization, im completely for it, but not to corrupt Russian companies which are directly or indirectly controlled by the Kremlin. Id much rather have an American or Western European company buy an Armenian facility than a corrupt inefficient Russian company whose main concern might not be to turn a profitable business but rather to serve the geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation.

[TomServo]

What happened to the companies that were handed over to Russia to settle the $100 million debt. NOTHING. All their promises of investments and new jobs were BS and these factories and research facilities are working at a lower level than they were before the handover. Im not against privatization, im completely for it, but not to corrupt Russian companies which are directly or indirectly controlled by the Kremlin. Id much rather have an American or Western European company buy an Armenian facility than a corrupt inefficient Russian company whose main concern might not be to turn a profitable business but rather to serve the geopolitical interests of the Russian Federation.
Right on the dram.

I don't think Armenian or Skhara will allow anyone to criticize the Russian Federation. :rolleyes:

[skhara]

Right on the dram.

I don't think Armenian or Skhara will allow anyone to criticize the Russian Federation. :rolleyes:

What do you mean allow?

You can critizise if you want if that floats your boat, but those critisizms don't really do anything. I'm pretty annoyed about this actually, but given Armenia's geostrategic position someone will always be messing with her.

You guys don't really know what choices kocharians administration is presented with, I don't believe that a man who put his life of the line in Artsakh is simply selling Armenian interests.

[TigranJamharian]

What do you mean allow?

You can critizise if you want if that floats your boat, but those critisizms don't really do anything. I'm pretty annoyed about this actually, but given Armenia's geostrategic position someone will always be messing with her.

You guys don't really know what choices kocharians administration is presented with, I don't believe that a man who put his life of the line in Artsakh is simply selling Armenian interests.

Right.... the gas prices will be increased right after the presidential election, how convenient.... the only thing Kocharian is doing is trying to keep his popularity from slipping even further before the election and to be able to handpick his succesor, or who knows, even try to run again.

[Anonymouse]

Democracy, the last refuge of the pointless.

I say, either dictatorship or anarchy!

[TomServo]

I say, either dictatorship or anarchy!
Why?

[Anonymouse]

Why?

Because you're a racist!

[TomServo]

Because you're a racist!
"Et fier."

:rolleyes:

[KotayKoskesh]

whats better ? Armenia selling to US or selling to Russia as far as im concerned both have advantages and disadvantages Russia is xxxx right now but who knows what itll be in another 20 years and who knows what US will be...

[jgk3]

Russia gives this very ambiguous vibe about its future prospects, just cuz it's xxxx on the surface for the common public there doesn't mean anything. Still, that probably doesn't mean so much for Armenians... Sure, Russia will stick for us a little bit here and there, but is it really gonna get us out of the hole?

[KotayKoskesh]

except a kick in the butt for the people in Armenia and money dropping out of the sky I dont know what will get us out of the hole... :(

[TomServo]

I'll get us out.

[jgk3]

I second that.

[parthiapride]

Democracy, the last refuge of the pointless.

I say, either dictatorship or anarchy!

You're a moron.

Dictatorship or anarchy?

Damn it...hit me up with some weed xxxxx...you be smokin all the good xxxx...

[Anonymouse]

You're a moron.

Dictatorship or anarchy?

Damn it...hit me up with some weed xxxxx...you be smokin all the good xxxx...

And you're a mongrel. Your point?

[parthiapride]

Mongrel?

Now that hurt.

Why can't I be a brawny scandinavian like you?

Damn you genetics, damn youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu......

:(

[Anonymouse]

Mongrel?

Now that hurt.

Why can't I be a brawny scandinavian like you?

Damn you genetics, damn youuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu......

:(

Where do you get that I'm a brawny Scandinavian you parthian primate?

[parthiapride]

Where do you get that I'm a brawny Scandinavian you parthian primate?


Wow.

Parthian primate.

You amazed me with your marvelous powers of consonance.

You're so witty.

Can I rape you for Christ?

Pretty please?:naughty:

[Anonymouse]

Wow.

Parthian primate.

You amazed me with your marvelous powers of consonance.

You're so witty.

Can I rape you for Christ?

Pretty please?:naughty:

I didn't know you like me that much. Would you like to make sweet love in the den or the roof?

[parthiapride]

Neither.

It's more of a show of my dominance...both intellectually and physically.

Puny Anglo.

http://www.armenianow.com/?action=viewArticle&AID=1377&lng=eng&IID=1070


Truth and Consequences?: Alleged rape victim now says he was beaten for his accusations
By Zhanna Alexanyan
ArmeniaNow reporter
A soldier who went public last week with allegations that he has been raped while on duty in Karabakh, now says that was beaten, a day after his charges were reported by ArmeniaNow. (See “Violence in the Ranks”)

A reporter visiting Narek Karapteyan (his name has been changed due to the nature of the charges) on Thursday found the 18-year old with a swollen face and bruises under his eye in the Yerevan hospital where he has been transferred for treatment.

Karapetyan’s mother says she saw her son in that condition on a regular visit earlier this week, and that the boy at first said he had fallen out of bed, but later said he’d been beaten by servicemen. His mother also said her son asked her to tell investigators about the beating, for fear that he’d receive more punishment.

Attending officers at the hospital say the soldier is lying, and they became indignant and verbally abusive when ArmeniaNow’s reporter inquired about the latest charges.

In the presence of overseeing officers and authorities, Karapetyan said everything in the hospital was okay and that, while he was beaten, he had provoked the fight. It is not, however, what Karapetyan’s attorney, Zaruhi Postanjyan, says he has told her.

“He hasn’t told the investigator the things that he has told me,” Postanjyan says. “The feeling of fear is always there with him.”

Karapetyan is being treated in the psychiatric department of the hospital where, says the head of the hospital, lieutenant-colonel Gagik Mktrchyan also “children with sexual deviations” are sent. (Postanjyan says her client was forced to sign a document, saying that he’d had consensual sex with the soldiers – including an officer – he is now charging with rape. ArmeniaNow has learned the name of the officer, but withholds identifying him unless formal charges are brought.)

During ArmeniaNow’s visit, Mkrtchyan brought several military doctors into his office who, in loud voices as if by rehearsal, said there were no grounds to Karapetyan’s claims. The lieutenant-colonel says he does not understand why the mother is making public charges that others keep silent about, nor does he understand why an attorney or a journalist should be raising such questions.

:D

[Anonymouse]

Neither.

It's more of a show of my dominance...both intellectually and physically.

Puny Anglo.

Parthiapride in all his glory! Behold and bow before him!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v96/Anonymouse/10-05-00-j.jpg

[ace]

Mouse, you said monopolies are bad...obviously.

But wtf do you think Russia buying up almost all of Armenias resources and tools is? A MONOPOLY.

[Armenian]

I understand the concerns regarding this issue and I fundamentally agree with you all. However, many of you here have not assessed Yerevan's political situation through an objective and realistic perspective.

Ask yourselves: What other choice do we Armenians have? What real choice does Yerevan have? Its easy to complain from afar, but look at the political situation there in the Caucasus.

Also, you folks need to realize that just because Russians, or anyone for that matter, owns anything in Armenia does not really mean much in reality. Hypothetically, if Russians turn against us what are they going to do, shut down the electricity and gas supply to Armenia from within Armenia? The energy resources they want to manage are derived from within Armenia, they can't shut it down just because they feel like it. If they tried, however, that would mean the absolute end of any relations between Armenia and Russia. And the Armenian government can easly "retake" anything its has sold to anyone. Owning things on paper and managing certain sensative sites are not all that risky when you have a political partner doing it. Look at the west: No one knows who owns what in the west.

Moroever, Russia more-or-less controls the Armenian military. Find me anyone today who disagrees with the Russian control over our military - other than Georgians, Turks, Azeris, Americans. In my opinion, Russian control of certain sectors of the stagnant Armenian economy may actually be positive for us in the long run.

Russians know full well that Armenia is disparate and vulnerable politically, militarily and economically and that is why they are doing everything in their power to "own" and "control" Armenia. Simply speaking, they are afraid of losing Armenia like they lost Georgia and several other strategic nations to the west.

Nonetheless, what realistic choices does Armenia have? If we decide to play tough with Moscow, Russians will threaten to abandon Armenia to the numerous wolves within the region.

The sad reality is that we *don't* have a choice, its as simple as that. So yes, many things in Armenia will get sold to the Russians. If you realize that most Armenian politicians and generals are also bought by Russians as well, you will see that this is no big deal. For the foreseeable future, Russian foreign policy will be fully in-line with Armenian foreign policy. Thus, Russians are not a political, military or economic threat to us Armenians.

Don't fool yourselvs, the sad reality is that we are a small landlocked nation within perhaps the most dangerous region of the world. As a result, we can not be fully independant. We don't live in Scandinavia. We will be dependant upon regional major powers to ensure our prosperity and security. As of now, the only real regional partners we have are Russia and Iran.

In other words, better Russia and Iran than America or Turkey.

Nonetheless, regardless of how important Russia is to Armenia, the Armenian nation needs to continue building solid relationships with Tehran and the EU.

[Կարմիր Բ]

This is indeed not good news and this trend has been going for the past years. :(

The best thing for underdeveloped countries, like Armenia, right now is to adapt a protectionist capitalist economy similar to the one ALL economical superpowers had when they were beginning to rise. America in the 19th century was pretty protectionist, so was Great Britain.

This is why countries need to develop a national bourgeoisie that occupies the infrastructure imperialist super powers won't yield.

That is why we communists support most anti-imperialist movements, even if they tend to be reactionary.

[Armenian]

we communists...

:laugh:

We who? You and Hu?

[Կարմիր Բ]

You know who. The one's who battered you in Berlin.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/thumb/f/f9/Reichstag_flag.jpg/300px-Reichstag_flag.jpg

[parthiapride]

Actually I hate both Commies and Fascists.

Warfare and Welfare for all!