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Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impacts?

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  • #11
    Re: Searched around

    Originally posted by Pedro Xaramillo View Post
    All the bastards who came up with the ideology, most of their books are probably in Turkish, Tatar or Azeri, I would say enjoy, but yeah...

    Yusuf Akçura
    Tekin Alp
    Sadri Maksudi Arsal
    Hüseyin Nihâl Atsız
    Enver Paşa
    Resit Galib
    Ziya Gökalp
    Riza Nur
    Nejdet Sançar
    Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev
    Hikmet Tanyu
    Dündar Taşer
    Fethi Tevetoğlu
    Alparslan Türkeş
    Turan Yazgan
    Niyazi Yıldırım Gençosmanoğlu
    Thank you for the list. I am still very-very ignorant on that special matter. Which will boost me is to advance is to find

    - if any came to Paris, whom they met, etc

    - how they behaved regarding Arabs and Kurds.

    Nil
    http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...5/a_touran.htm
    #1763

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    • #12
      Re: Searched around

      Originally posted by CRDA-France View Post
      Thank you for the list. I am still very-very ignorant on that special matter. Which will boost me is to advance is to find

      - if any came to Paris, whom they met, etc

      - how they behaved regarding Arabs and Kurds.

      Nil
      http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...5/a_touran.htm
      #1763
      Add to the list: Mustafa Abdulhalik {Renda}
      General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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      • #13
        Re: Searched around

        Originally posted by Joseph View Post
        Add to the list: Mustafa Abdulhalik Renda}
        Thank you Joseph. Միացած Հայերը, մենք միասին, պիտի յաջողինք !

        Best regards from Paris. Take care. Nil
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        • #14
          Re: Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

          http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

          New Page > Researches on Touranist Ideologues :

          http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ran00liste.htm

          Particullarly those

          - who were born in Russia

          - who went to Paris

          >> in order to make the link between their writings and the crime of 1915 Genocide : as the link is done with German Ideologues on "The Superior Aryen Race", on "The Vital Space" ("Lebensraum" : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...i=g10&aql=&oq= ), "the Third Reich which will last 1,000 years", etc, etc. and the crime of Shoah.

          >> in order to intervene in Turkish Studies and Turkology in the USA :
          http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...&aqi=&aql=&oq=
          http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aqi=&aql=&oq=
          http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...&aqi=&aql=&oq=

          which academically (or in a perfuming "politically correct" way : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...i=g10&aql=&oq= ) dissert on these historical persons without telling their intellectual responsabilities in the 1915 Genocide.

          Nil
          http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...versites00.htm
          #2335
          Last edited by CRDA-France; 02-25-2010, 10:57 AM.

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          • #15
            Re: Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

            I would like to point out that Ziya Gokalp would today be considered a Kurd. He is from Diyarbakir.

            Ethnic Nationalism is the belief of common culture and ancestry. Another words, it is complete bullxxxx. Just a way to divide and create unnecessary conflicts.

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            • #16
              Re: Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

              Originally posted by egeli View Post
              -1/ Ziya Gokalp would today be considered a Kurd. He is from Diyarbakir.
              2/ Ethnic Nationalism is the belief of common culture and ancestry. Another words, it is complete bullxxxx. Just a way to divide and create unnecessary conflicts.
              -1/ ...would today be considered a Kurd by WHOM ? by the Turks ? by the Kurds ? by the western medias ? etc, etc...

              ...as Staline would be considered today as Georgian ? ...as Hitler being not German but Austrian ? ...as Napoleon is considered Corsican because born in Corsica ? ...is Calife Saladin Ayyoubi is considered Kurd or Arab ? etc, etc...

              -2/ Ethnic Nationalism : just a way to divide and create unnecessary conflicts. <<<< I totaly agree.

              But State Crime cannot be wiped out. A State is responsable of its crimes of the past, all the more when there is a Genocide, unpunished and recognized.

              >>> http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

              Beside this international legal side of the debate, the recognation of 1915 Genocide is important for Armenians of course, but also psycho-sociologically for Turks : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...nconscient.htm

              The example of Germany is (very) important : now they live normally >> http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...steturquie.htm

              We, Armenians and Turks, are in the same boat.

              http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...eneralites.htm

              Take care. Nil

              PS - It is important to publish this book into English (and in Turkish) : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ralian2008.htm Please find an American editor.
              #2358
              Last edited by CRDA-France; 02-26-2010, 12:13 PM.

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              • #17
                Re: Panturanist Ideology &amp; Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

                Originally posted by CRDA-France View Post
                -1/ ...would today be considered a Kurd by WHOM ? by the Turks ? by the Kurds ? by the western medias ? etc, etc...
                Ziya Gokalp would be considered a Kurd, by the Kurdish nation. This shows how the concept of identity can radically change within a century.

                I expect within another century for the concept of ethnic nationalism to be archaic. Within a single generation, my genes went from Southeastern Europe/Western Anatolia to the US. Chances are, I will marry someone completely foreign to my heritage. Globalization!

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                • #18
                  Re: Panturanist Ideology &amp; Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

                  Originally posted by egeli View Post
                  Ziya Gokalp would be considered a Kurd, by the Kurdish nation. This shows how the concept of identity can radically change within a century.
                  The concept of identity may change within a century, but followers and supporters of (criminal) ideological ideas can be from all around the world.

                  There is a good historical exemple : Count Arthur de Gobineau, a French traveller and writer : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau . His (racist) thoughts were much adopted by Hitler and by nazism.

                  I remind that the basic concept of my page : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ran00liste.htm is not dealing with Turks but with TOURANISM : a racial ideology which led to organized crime in 1915.

                  Nil (Paris)
                  #2403

                  PS1 - When somebody speaks of his "genes", I keep my distance. LOL.

                  PS2 - Where did my friend Pedro Xaramillo get his list ? why
                  - Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev (1892-1940) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirs%C3...4%9F%C3%A4liev
                  - and Dr Hikmet Tanyu (1918–1992) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikmet_Tanyu
                  are included in the list ? It seems an error.
                  Last edited by CRDA-France; 02-28-2010, 08:26 PM.

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                  • #19
                    Re: Panturanist Ideology &amp; Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

                    There was recently a conference in a French University on French-Ottomans-Turks relations :
                    http://www.ens.fr/IMG/file/actualite..._denyrecto.pdf
                    http://www.ens.fr/IMG/file/actualite...amme_verso.pdf

                    Criminal Young Turks had official fonctions in the new kemalist regim : http://www.imprescriptible.fr/turqui...recyclage.html

                    It would be interesting to know if some of them http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ran00liste.htm met French diplomats, writers, architects, etc., etc.

                    Nil
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                    Last edited by CRDA-France; 05-10-2010, 02:23 PM.

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