Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impacts?

[CRDA-France]

Re: Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

There was recently a conference in a French University on French-Ottomans-Turks relations :

http://www.ens.fr/IMG/file/actualites/2010/colloque_jean_denyrecto.pdf

http://www.ens.fr/IMG/file/actualites/2010/colloque_jean_deny_programme_verso.pdf

Criminal Young Turks had official fonctions in the new kemalist regim : http://www.imprescriptible.fr/turqui...recyclage.html

It would be interesting to know if some of them http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ran00liste.htm met French diplomats, writers, architects, etc., etc.

Nil
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[CRDA-France]

Re: Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

Ziya Gokalp would be considered a Kurd, by the Kurdish nation. This shows how the concept of identity can radically change within a century.

The concept of identity may change within a century, but followers and supporters of (criminal) ideological ideas can be from all around the world.

There is a good historical exemple : Count Arthur de Gobineau, a French traveller and writer : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arthur_de_Gobineau . His (racist) thoughts were much adopted by Hitler and by nazism.

I remind that the basic concept of my page : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ran00liste.htm is not dealing with Turks but with TOURANISM : a racial ideology which led to organized crime in 1915.

Nil (Paris)
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PS1 - When somebody speaks of his "genes", I keep my distance. LOL.

PS2 - Where did my friend Pedro Xaramillo get his list ? why
- Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev (1892-1940) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirs%C3...4%9F%C3%A4liev
- and Dr Hikmet Tanyu (1918–1992) http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hikmet_Tanyu
are included in the list ? It seems an error.

[egeli]

Re: Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

-1/ ...would today be considered a Kurd by WHOM ? by the Turks ? by the Kurds ? by the western medias ? etc, etc...

Ziya Gokalp would be considered a Kurd, by the Kurdish nation. This shows how the concept of identity can radically change within a century.

I expect within another century for the concept of ethnic nationalism to be archaic. Within a single generation, my genes went from Southeastern Europe/Western Anatolia to the US. Chances are, I will marry someone completely foreign to my heritage. Globalization!

[CRDA-France]

Re: Panturanist Ideology & Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

-1/ Ziya Gokalp would today be considered a Kurd. He is from Diyarbakir.
2/ Ethnic Nationalism is the belief of common culture and ancestry. Another words, it is complete bullxxxx. Just a way to divide and create unnecessary conflicts.

-1/ ...would today be considered a Kurd by WHOM ? by the Turks ? by the Kurds ? by the western medias ? etc, etc...

...as Staline would be considered today as Georgian ? ...as Hitler being not German but Austrian ? ...as Napoleon is considered Corsican because born in Corsica ? ...is Calife Saladin Ayyoubi is considered Kurd or Arab ? etc, etc...

-2/ Ethnic Nationalism : just a way to divide and create unnecessary conflicts. <<<< I totaly agree.

But State Crime cannot be wiped out. A State is responsable of its crimes of the past, all the more when there is a Genocide, unpunished and recognized.

>>> http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

Beside this international legal side of the debate, the recognation of 1915 Genocide is important for Armenians of course, but also psycho-sociologically for Turks : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...nconscient.htm

The example of Germany is (very) important : now they live normally >> http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...steturquie.htm

We, Armenians and Turks, are in the same boat.

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/ainconscient/8psychanalyse/generalites.htm

Take care. Nil

PS - It is important to publish this book into English (and in Turkish) : http://www.globalarmenianheritage-ad...ralian2008.htm Please find an American editor.
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[egeli]

Re: Panturanist Ideology &amp; Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

I would like to point out that Ziya Gokalp would today be considered a Kurd. He is from Diyarbakir.

Ethnic Nationalism is the belief of common culture and ancestry. Another words, it is complete bullxxxx. Just a way to divide and create unnecessary conflicts.

[CRDA-France]

Re: Panturanist Ideology &amp; Litterature : Newspapers? Articles? Books? Writers? Impact

http://www.google.com/language_tools?hl=en

New Page > Researches on Touranist Ideologues :

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/9genocide1915/a_touran00liste.htm

Particullarly those

- who were born in Russia

- who went to Paris

>> in order to make the link between their writings and the crime of 1915 Genocide : as the link is done with German Ideologues on "The Superior Aryen Race", on "The Vital Space" ("Lebensraum" : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...i=g10&aql=&oq= ), "the Third Reich which will last 1,000 years", etc, etc. and the crime of Shoah.

>> in order to intervene in Turkish Studies and Turkology in the USA :

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=Turkology+USA&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Turkish+Studies+Universities+USA&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=Ottoman+Studies+Universities+USA&btnG=Search&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=

which academically (or in a perfuming "politically correct" way : http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q...i=g10&aql=&oq= ) dissert on these historical persons without telling their intellectual responsabilities in the 1915 Genocide.

Nil

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr_9informationcitoyenne/partenariatturquie/02universites00.htm

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[CRDA-France]

Re: Searched around

Add to the list: Mustafa Abdulhalik Renda}

Thank you Joseph. Միացած Հայերը, մենք միասին, պիտի յաջողինք !

Best regards from Paris. Take care. Nil
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[Joseph]

Re: Searched around

Thank you for the list. I am still very-very ignorant on that special matter. Which will boost me is to advance is to find

- if any came to Paris, whom they met, etc

- how they behaved regarding Arabs and Kurds.

Nil

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/9genocide1915/a_touran.htm

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Add to the list: Mustafa Abdulhalik {Renda}

[CRDA-France]

Re: Searched around

All the bastards who came up with the ideology, most of their books are probably in Turkish, Tatar or Azeri, I would say enjoy, but yeah...

Yusuf Akçura
Tekin Alp
Sadri Maksudi Arsal
Hüseyin Nihâl Atsız
Enver Paşa
Resit Galib
Ziya Gökalp
Riza Nur
Nejdet Sançar
Mirsäyet Soltanğäliev
Hikmet Tanyu
Dündar Taşer
Fethi Tevetoğlu
Alparslan Türkeş
Turan Yazgan
Niyazi Yıldırım Gençosmanoğlu

Thank you for the list. I am still very-very ignorant on that special matter. Which will boost me is to advance is to find

- if any came to Paris, whom they met, etc

- how they behaved regarding Arabs and Kurds.

Nil

http://www.globalarmenianheritage-adic.fr/fr/9genocide1915/a_touran.htm

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[CRDA-France]

You dont have to read many books to see how Turks do not like Arabs. Ask anybody and they will say they are "backstabbers", "faith mongers" and "kissers of English ass"....
"Anladıysam Arap olayım" and similar terms are still very much used in daily Turkish.

We know all this in the Near and Middle East. But the Arabs of Maghreb, do not know. In France we have an important Maghrebian community (five to six millions of persons). All do not read Arabic and they know less and less about their Arab history or culture.

Which is important is to have books (in Turkish or in Arabic) about these Turkish sayings regarding the Arabs so that we may scan and put on the web.

Nil

http://www.crda-france.org/0ab/6_17arabrevolts.htm

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