Urartian proto Armenian problem

[DieHard69]

So I have been reading some urartian history, and a lot of historians seem to agree that we Armenians are phrygian colonist who arrived at the Armenian highlands at around 800 BC

So I'd like to ask, what do you guys think about this?

[Azad]

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a lot of historians seem to agree that we Armenians are phrygian colonist

If "one" equates to "lot" than yes. Apparently Herodotus claimed those two words of yours. There is no evidence (genetics, language, history) and no one even talk about the connection of Phrygians to Armenians. This would only serve the azeris to promote their theory that Armenians are not native of the region.

[londontsi]

Re: Urartian proto Armenian problem

So I have been reading some urartian history, and a lot of historians seem to agree that we Armenians are phrygian colonist who arrived at the Armenian highlands at around 800 BC

So I'd like to ask, what do you guys think about this?

So one has to ask, where did they come from, Central Asia?

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[Artashes]

Re: Urartian proto Armenian problem

So I have been reading some urartian history, and a lot of historians seem to agree that we Armenians are phrygian colonist who arrived at the Armenian highlands at around 800 BC

So I'd like to ask, what do you guys think about this?

Our history goes back into the mists of time.
The story of Haig (Haik) uniting Hayastan points to a uniting of different groups that actually originally came from the same family. So it is with the phyrigians. The Phyrigians are tracked coming from Albania to Anatolia and that's all that's known. The Phyrigians and Hurrians both originated from the Armenian heartland and spoke our common language. They both migrated to different areas early in our history. The Phyrigians went to Albania before the Albanians arrived. After living with the Albanian for some time that became intolerable and they migrated back to Anatolia. When they came back, they had some different dress habits and customs but did not lose their identity. The large stone pointed hat on top of a mtn in Anatolia is Phyrigians depiction.
The story of us is so old and convoluted it's confusing.
From Noah to us is a winding path of many millennia.

[Artashes]

Re: Urartian proto Armenian problem

Our history goes back into the mists of time.
The story of Haig (Haik) uniting Hayastan points to a uniting of different groups that actually originally came from the same family. So it is with the phyrigians. The Phyrigians are tracked coming from Albania to Anatolia and that's all that's known. The Phyrigians and Hurrians both originated from the Armenian heartland and spoke our common language. They both migrated to different areas early in our history. The Phyrigians went to Albania before the Albanians arrived. After living with the Albanian for some time that became intolerable and they migrated back to Anatolia. When they came back, they had some different dress habits and customs but did not lose their identity. The large stone pointed hat on top of a mtn in Anatolia is Phyrigians depiction.
The story of us is so old and convoluted it's confusing.
From Noah to us is a winding path of many millennia.

Urartu --- similar story as Phyrigians but with its own twists. Urartu is parallel story to Haik (Haig). Haik was a giant (mix of fallen angel and Hayr women). When we or a segment of us united with Armen and his group I cannot tell. However, that original mix went from Armenian Highland down to Mesopotamia. From prosperous settlements between the rivers to city states is a long and unique (strange) history. In this strangeness of the city states there was a collapse. Rulers changed and the japhetic and shemetic lines colla berated and became the rulers. The Shem line became tyrannical and the Japheth line severed the relationship and returned to the Armenian highlands. Both the Shem and Japhetic lines were intermixed with angelic (fallen) blood, hence giant status for some.
The Hurrians, Phyrigians, Urartians, and others all share the genes of the same family going to Japhes , Noah, Adam.
The monumental buildings was one strange chapter in the history of the son of man. That story is being falsified by modern historians in an attempt to make it "non" strange and palatable for the masses.
You can't substitute propaganda for the truth and get a clear story. The truth is being obfuscated for whoever the fk is manipulating.
It's still a weird world we live in. Look around.

[DieHard69]

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Thanks for the feed back about our opinion, shall we talk more about this or not interested? There is a lot stuff to talk about outside of our ways of telling history a good example is Armen Petrosyan's

The problem with the identification of proto Armenians

Though I may warn you, you will need an open mind like mine.

[Artashes]

Re: Urartian proto Armenian problem

Thanks for the feed back about our opinion, shall we talk more about this or not interested? There is a lot stuff to talk about outside of our ways of telling history a good example is Armen Petrosyan's

The problem with the identification of proto Armenians

Though I may warn you, you will need an open mind like mine.

I for one am interested. My original research comes from UCLA Armenian library . I'm 67 now but was decades younger then. Would be very interested on your research, conclusions, and sources.
Never read Armen petrosyan. This thread seems like a good place to talk about our long road to today.

[Artashes]

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Ok, I just did a quick read of Armen Peytrosyan's proto armenian work. I have already read that..
Let's talk.

[DieHard69]

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Great. Nice to meet you sir, I see you have red the the proto Armenian problem written by Armen petrosyan its very interesting how convoluted our origins are compared to many language which are simple are seems to be much more interesting.

[Artashes]

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Great. Nice to meet you sir, I see you have red the the proto Armenian problem written by Armen petrosyan its very interesting how convoluted our origins are compared to many language which are simple are seems to be much more interesting.

The story of life. The story of man is contained in the story of life. The story of "outer space" is contained in the story of life. The story of life contains two factors. (1) God. (2) all other lives *** that God made***.
The story of man and the story of angels (fallen) is identicle. Man (Adam) disobeys God and chooses to decide for himself what his conduct shall be. Same story as the "angels".
Our story (Armenian) is actually not more interesting than others, but the same story.
I don't look at Armenia as Armenia. I see the REMNANT of Armenia, that's all. Maybe 3 million left on a sliver of of Hayastan, a remnant, all else is gone.
I tracked the man and at a certain point was compelled to track "off worlders" as well. The off worlders (some) became part of man. Indistinguishable by all modern day accounts. Still, I tracked the man.
Noah was a man. Besides the genetic link between Noah and Hayr, is this ... Noah spoke a language that is very similar to ours but without the indo European addition. Hayr aren't really ind European people, but there is an admixture.
Look at the variety of answers man od today has for all that besets him.
No matter how bright, no matter what sector of the universe one comes from, non are fit to guide their own steps. Yet that is precisely what is --- still --- taking place. Everybody's doing a great job, right? Lol.
At this point in time, I'm going to throw in my two cents.
There isn't a man alive who even knows WHY God made him.
Yet everyone is ready to take the reins of his life and lead his or her own life.
I'm really expecting great and wonderful things from the leadership of men and women.
Can you feel it man. Makes a fella burst with pride.
But it makes me regret I ever existed.
All I can think to tell man is ... Keep strutting, you are just so impressive.