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  • Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

    ANKARA (Combined Sources)--The leader of Turkey's opposition Republican People's Party launched harsh criticism at President Abdullah Gul Friday for accepting an invitation by his Armenian counterpart to visit Yerevan for a soccer match Saturday sarcastically calling on him to go and pray at the Genocide Memorial Monument Complex at Dzidzernagapert .

    "What has Armenia done to change its policy of hostility towards Turkey over the issue; what has it done to withdraw from Azerbaijani territory? Nothing," Deniz Baykal, the leader of the Republican People's Party (CHP), told the Turkish news channel NTV.

    "Perhaps he [Gul] could go and pray at the site of the Armenian genocide and lay a wreath while he is there," added Baykal, repeating his staunch opposition to the president's visit to the Armenian capital.

    Gul has been invited by his Armenian counterpart Serzh Sargsyan to attend a 2010 FIFA World Cup qualifier in Yerevan on Saturday afternoon to become the first Turkish president to go to Armenia.

    The diplomatic ties between the two countries have long been severed over Turkey's denial of the Armenian Genocide.

    Turkey denies the genocide and has close relations with Azerbaijan. In 1993, Turkey shut its border with Armenia in a show of unity with Baku, which was waging a war against the newly independent Nagorno-Karabakh Republic.

    Ankara hopes Gul's weekend visit, though sharply criticized by Turkish opposition parties and nationalists, would favor Ankara's Caucasus Stability Pact--a proposal that would intensify political and economic cooperation in the region.

    State Minister Mehmet Aydin has noted "The facts that we have do not support the theory that the visit will resolve all the problems, but it is not right to assume that nothing will come of it either,

    Earlier this week, Turkish Foreign Minister Ali Babacan responded to similar criticism by nationalist opposition leader Devlet Bahceli--who suggested the government acted under foreign pressure concerning rapprochement moves with Armenia--reminding him of past contacts between late Alpaslan Turkes, the founder of Bahceli's party, and Armenian officials.

    "Going to Armenia by bowing to foreign pressures and impositions and by surrendering to Armenian lobbies inside [the country] will be historical heedlessness and such a manner will wound Turkey's honor," Bahceli said in the statement.

    "We have difficulty in understanding Mr. Bahceli's statement that this visit will harm Turkey's honor and self-esteem," Babacan said, saying that it was not possible to accept Bahceli's accusing statement.

    Turkey has recognized Armenia since the early 1990s and there have been contacts at various levels between the two countries, including those held by statesmen of the time starting from the first half of the 1990s, Babacan remarked.

    "Within this framework, there are talks held in line with the responsibility of a statesman by the late Alpaslan Turkes with [Levon] Ter-Petrosian," Babacan said, referring to talks between former Armenian President Ter-Petrosian and former MHP leader Turkes in 1993.

    At the time, Turkes indicated that he had informed the prime minister and foreign minister of Turkey that a meeting was planned between himself and Ter-Petrossian, noting that the Turkish ambassador and counselor were also at the meeting which was aimed at trying to see if the Karabakh conflict could be brought to a close.

    "If this visit is carried out, it will not be a result of foreign pressures and impositions, but will be a reflection of Turkey's constructive efforts for making contributions to peace and stability in the international field and in its region," Babacan said.
    Positive vibes, positive taught

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    Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

    Let's now pray dor a civil war where they will weaken the country

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      Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

      Ok Karo begin...
      Positive vibes, positive taught

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        Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

        hopefully the Republican People's Party will never come to power

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          Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

          Originally posted by PepsiAddict View Post
          Ok Karo begin...
          Go about what?

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            Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

            Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
            Let's now pray dor a civil war where they will weaken the country
            I said ok begin praying.
            Positive vibes, positive taught

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              Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

              Originally posted by PepsiAddict View Post
              "Perhaps he [Gul] could go and pray at the site of the Armenian genocide and lay a wreath while he is there," added Baykal, repeating his staunch opposition to the president's visit to the Armenian capital.
              I don't know why they are agry at Abdullah Gul, but, according to Bulgaria's Sofia Echo, Turkey and Armenia plan to set up a commission for resolving the genocide claims:

              From Bulgaria's Sofia Echo:


              Historic visit marks new beginning for Turkish-Armenian relations

              16:24 Mon 08 Sep 2008 - Spasena Baramova

              The historic visit Turkish president Abdullah Gul paid to Armenia marked a new beginning in the relations of the two neighbouring countries that have for many decades refused to engage in any dialogue whatsoever over a bitter genocide row.

              On September 6 2008, Gul visited Yerevan at the invitation of Armenian counterpart Serzh Sargsyan to watch a football World Cup qualifying match between the national teams of the two countries, which Turkey won 2-0.

              According to Turkish daily Hurriyet, Gul and Sargsyan decided to improve the bilateral diplomatic ties by raising the level of the regular consulting mechanism between their states to foreign ministers, speeding up the efforts to establish a joint commission for resolving the genocide claims, forming a separate economic commission and possibly opening the closed border between them to send humanitarian aid to Armenia.

              The two countries do not have diplomatic relations as a major dispute has been dividing them ever since World War One. Over 1915/17, about 1.5 million Armenians were killed in the then Ottoman Empire. Armenia has ever since requested that the massacres be labelled as genocide, something Turkey strongly opposes.

              During their talks, Gul invited Sargsyan to see the return football match between Turkey and Armenia that is to be held in October 2009. The two presidents will have the chance to meet much earlier, though, on the sidelines of a United Nations summit happening at the end of September.

              READ MORE -- http://sofiaecho.com/article/histori...31632/catid_68


              Armenian President Serzh Sarkisian (R) gestures as he meets his Turkish counterpart Abdullah Gul on September 6, 2008 during a meeting in Yerevan. Sarkisian said today he had been invited by his Turkish counterpart Abdullah Gul to attend a return football match between the two nations in Turkey next month.

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                Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

                speeding up the efforts to establish a joint commission for resolving the genocide claims
                What is sarkisian doing here, is he selling us out of what? Is he selling our ancestors out? I don't know what to think about it.

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                  Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

                  Originally posted by KarotheGreat View Post
                  What is sarkisian doing here, is he selling us out of what? Is he selling our ancestors out? I don't know what to think about it.
                  My gut feeling on this is that the outcome of this "commission" is already predetermined. The commision is established as a show for Turkish population who will look at it as a unbiased attempt at finding out the truth. When their scholars (through a long process) deem the events of 1915 a Genocide, it will be easiser for the Turkish public to digest. How else can the Turkish government make its citizens believe that there was a Genocide after 100 years of lies? In short, this commission is a strategy to change the collective Turkish rigid mindset. Will it work? Who knows...

                  If this is the case, there is some major Turkish arm twisting going on. We'll see...

                  Anyway, I doubt Serge Sarkisyan will sell out our ancestors. It is Turkey who has been behind the 8 ball these days - not Armenia. With that said, the soccer match visit seems to be a prelude to future Turkish concessions. Sarkisyan is just facilitating the concession process.

                  ...This is just a theory, btw. I could be totally off.
                  Last edited by crusader1492; 09-10-2008, 05:38 AM.

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                    Re: Turkish Opposition Mocks Gul's Visit, Says 'Go and Pray at Dzidzernagapert'

                    Originally posted by crusader1492 View Post
                    My gut feeling on this is that the outcome of this "commission" is already predetermined. The commision is established as a show for Turkish population who will look at it as a unbiased attempt at finding out the truth. When their scholars (through a long process) deem the events of 1915 a Genocide, it will be easiser for the Turkish public to digest. How else can the Turkish government make its citizens believe that there was a Genocide after 100 years of lies? In short, this commission is a strategy to change the collective Turkish rigid mindset. Will it work? Who knows... If this is the case, there is some major Turkish arm twisting going on. We'll see... Anyway, I doubt Serge Sarkisyan will sell out our ancestors. It is Turkey who has been behind the 8 ball these days - not Armenia. With that said, the soccer match visit seems to be a prelude to future Turkish concessions. Sarkisyan is just facilitating the concession process. ...This is just a theory, btw. I could be totally off.
                    The outcome of all this may indeed be already determined. They now need to prepare their respective populations in the coming months/years. On the other hand, nothing is set in stone. The current state of matters can change again overnight. They are simple playing with the cards they currently have. So, I don't think your are too far-off in your assessments. I think we need to stop panicking. Many of us are treating this as if it's a domestic dispute.
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