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    Provocation in Jerusalem

    ARMENIAN PATRIARCHATE PROTESTS DEPORTATION OF SEMINARIANS

    2009-09-08 11:07:48 - The Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs has decided to deport two Armenian seminarians involved in a brawl with a xxxish youth who spat on their procession, a move that has provoked strong protests from the Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem.


    ARMENIAN PATRIARCHATE PROTESTS DEPORTATION OF SEMINARIANS

    Special from Arthur Hagopian

    Jerusalem, Sept 8 - The Armenian Patriarchate of Jerusalem has lodged a strong protest against a decision by the Israeli Ministry of Interior to deport two seminarians involved in a fight with a xxxish youth who had spat on a religious procession they were participating in.
    Patriarchate spokesperson Father Pakrad Bourjekian noted that this was not the first time such an unprovoked aggression against Armenian or Christian clergymen in Jerusalem had occurred.
    He said not only were the clergy singled out for this kind of treatment, but lay members of the Armenian community who wore or displayed crosses bore the brunt of such attacks.
    The latest provocation occurred on Sunday evening as Armenian seminarians were returning to the Convent of St James after holding their weekly procession in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre.
    As they neared the convent, a young xxx wearing a kipa spat on them.
    One of the seminarians accosted the youth who responded with another blob of spit, leading to a brawl which police stopped by arresting two of the Armenian seminarians and holding them for 24 hours.
    That same evening, the police informed the Armenian Patriarchate that the matter would be dealt with at court the next morning.
    But when the Armenians presented themselves at court, they were summarily informed that the police had referred the matter to the Israeli Ministry of the Interior which had decided on the deportation of the two seminarians, Bourjekian said.
    It complained that the Ministry has ignored protests and remonstrations, adding spitting against Christians by xxxs is not a new issue, but has been practised for several years, without the police taking any measures to stop it.
    Bourjekian also noted that in addition to this "harassment by civilians", the Interior Ministry intentionally delays renewing visas of Armenian monks and priests who have been born in Lebanon, Syria and Jordan, "causing them undue distress."
    He voiced concern "this kind of persecution" against the Armenians might escalate to include not only seminarians but priests, bishops and archbishops as well.

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    ISRAELI AUTHORITIES RESCIND DEPORTATION MOVE

    2009-09-10 08:50:42 - The Israeli Ministry of Interior has rescinded its decision to deport two Armenian seminarians involved in a fracas with a xxxish youth who spat on them.


    ISRAELI AUTHORITIES RESCIND DEPORTATION MOVE

    Special from Arthur Hagopian

    The Israeli Ministry of Interior has rescinded its decision to deport two Armenian seminarians involved in a fracas with a xxxish youth who had spat on them.
    The two, who had been held over by the Israeli police, were set free "without any prior conditions" and allowed to return to the Armenian Patriarchate of St James, church sources said.
    The seminarians, Narek Hovannesian and David Harutunian, had arrived in Jerusalem only a year ago to enrol at the seminary of St James, built by the American Armenian philanthropist pair Alex and Mary Manoogian, and prepare for the priesthood.
    The decision to deport the two seminarians, who had accosted the xxxish youth after he spat on them twice, and then become involved in a brawl with him, had evoked sharp protests not only among the city's Christians but abroad as well, to the chagrin of Israeli authorities who, according to some sources who refused to be named, "does not need this now."
    The Armenian Patriarchate has expressed gratification at the Interior Ministry's change of heart.
    Patriarchate sources said the incident was not an isolated one: there had been several instances in the past of xxxs spitting on Christian clergy or civilians wearing crosses.
    While the Israeli police regularly chaperon religious processions to guard against such provocations, Christian sources claim the police is not doing enough to stop them.
    They note, however, that instead the police sometimes go into overkill, as when they deploy huge numbers of the force and prevent hundreds of worshippers from entering the Church of the Holy Sepulchre on Fire Saturday.
    The police justify the deployment as an effort to prevent disturbances inside - and these do happen - but the pilgrims who come from distant shores at colossal expense expressly to witness the Holy Fire ceremony and are unceremonious stranded outside the building, can take no comfort in that.
    The police had initially arrested the two seminarians and kept them locked up, pending their appearance before a court, but had changed tracks the next day and informed the Patriarchate that the matter had been referred to the Interior Ministry which had decided to deport the two.
    (The Armenian Patriarchate traditionally recruits aspiring clergymen from neighboring Arab countries, particularly Lebanon, but the uncertain political atmosphere in the Middle East has shrivelled this pipeline).
    The incident comes at a time when the Armenian Patriarchate is in a state of limbo.
    Archbishop Torkom Manoogian was elected to the See of St James on a platform of glasnost, born on a wave of refreshing new breezes, and bringing with him a panoply of dreams that would revitalize the moribund Armenian community of Jerusalem.
    In the years since his elevation, he has succeeded in carrying out a plethora of reforms, but some of his most important projects, among them the construction of a residential complex and an old-age-home, remain unfulfilled.
    One deterrent has been the relentless attrition among members of the Armenians of Jerusalem that has bled the community of a vital chunk of qualified manpower.
    The Patriarch has had no option but to tap the ranks of often untrained seminarians in an effort to handle various tasks within the Patriarchate.
    His advancing years have also made it necessary for him to delegate some of his duties to his Grand Sacristan, Archbishop Nourhan Manoogian (no relation) whom he has appointed Patriarchal Vicar.
    Nourhan has assumed his new responsibilities with gusto.
    He confided that one of his most cherished dreams is to publish a facsimile of one of the Armenian church's most precious medieval manuscripts, the Queen Keran Gospel, illustrated by the famous Toros Roslin.
    The 1272 manuscript is perhaps the most elegant produced during the Mediaeval ages. It contains, in addition to canon tables and richly decorated headpieces, thirteen full-page miniatures illustrating the main events in the life of Christ and a hundred and three marginal miniatures.
    But the most remarkable aspect of the manuscript is the inclusion of portrays of members of the royal family, Queen Keran, her husband, King Levon III and their five children, as supplicants, with the Virgin Mary and St John the Baptist shown interceding on their behalf.
    Scholars attach particular importance to these illustrations as they cast a light on the fashion of the royal court of the age.
    Although Nourhan realizes that a an exact facsimile will be an expensive exercise, he is comforted by the expectation of intense demand for it from discerning collectors, museums, and others.
    Experts note that the technology is certainly available in such a highly advanced IT location like Israel, but believe costs might be lower abroad.

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      Re: Provocation in Jerusalem

      I have heard about this discusting xxxish practice before and it sickens me every time. You can bet nothing was done to those doing the spitting. Isreal is worst then the natzis because the natzis didn't hate everyone but the zionists do.
      Hayastan or Bust.

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        Re: Provocation in Jerusalem

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        • #5
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          • #6
            Re: Provocation in Jerusalem

            Seminarians to be deported after being spit on


            It's sad to see - after being the object of persecution and genocide - that one can turn around and show such disdain for another people.


            (Terrasanta) - A brawl in Jerusalem between two seminarians of the Armenian Orthodox Patriarchate and a xxxish extremist over the weekend has drawn further attention to the offensive practice of spitting at Christians in the Holy Land, and questions over the authorities' response.

            On Sunday evening, as a group of Armenian seminarians returned to the Convent of St James after their weekly procession in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre, a xxxish youth wearing a kipa (yarmulke) spat on them, according to a Palestine News Service report.

            One of the seminarians then accosted the youth who responded by spitting again. The scuffle led to a brawl which police stopped by arresting two of the Armenian seminarians, both aged 18, and holding them for 24 hours. But on release, the Israeli Ministry of Interior issued a deportation order on them - a move met with strong protests from the Armenian Patriarchate.

            "We are currently dealing with the situation, writing letters to all the parties involved," patriarchate spokesman Fr. Pakrad Bourjekian told Terrasanta.net by phone from Jerusalem Sept. 10. "This is the first time a deportation has ever been ordered." The Patriarchate sent an urgent message to Israeli President Shimon Peres and Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, urging them to nullify the expulsion decision.

            Fr. Bourjekian said his church was concerned that such deportations could become a precedent, and escalate to include monks, priests and bishops. "If authorities are not happy with any kind particular problem, it gives them an opportunity to use this kind sanction," he said.

            He would also like to see the police doing more to protect them from the attacks, and to make such incidents an offense. In contrast to the deportation orders, the xxxish youths who provoked last weekend's attack were only detained for 10-15 minutes and released without charge.

            "These attacks have a long history of several years," Fr. Bourjekian said, adding that the only cause of such incidents is the clothing and crosses the priests and religious wear. "This is the provocation that has caused these young extremist xxxs to attack them," he said.

            But although the incidents happen relatively frequently, they are only carried out by a small minority, according to American Franciscan Father Athanasius Macora, who, on behalf of the Custody, monitors the Status Quo agreement [a 19th century accord establishing territorial division among Christian communities in the Church of the Holy Sepulchre in Jerusalem, and the Church of the Nativity in Bethlehem]. "It's deplorable and happens all the time - it happened to me today this morning as I was going to Mass," he said, adding that they don't usually "spit at you, they spit at the ground."

            But he added that the Armenians are more often targeted because of their location. "The spitting against the Armenians happens frequently, and very often they have to have a police escort because of it," explained Fr. Macora. "That's because to get to the xxxish Quarter you have to go through the Armenian Quarter, so you have all these people going down to the Western Wall or wherever, and a small group of them from time to time spit."

            Some sources say the perpetrators are not necessarily extremists, nor are they usually ultra-Orthodox xxxs, but tend to be xxxish male youths belonging to settler or nationalist religious groups, sometimes no more than 12 or 13 years old.

            Some perpetrators are occasionally banned from parts of the Old City as a punishment, but this is unlikely to resolve the problem. "The only way is through education," said Fr. Macora. "xxxish religious leadership must get up and speak out against these things - it must come from them and not from us. They need to say it's not acceptable, and address their own problems on their doorstep. If you have extremists, they need to be called back to sanity by their own people."

            Fr. Bourjekian would like to see Christians coming together to address these kinds of problems and conflicts, especially to deal with what he believes is a more pressing matter: ongoing restrictions on visa renewals for priests and bishops.

            Fr. Macora didn't think spitting incidents were increasing, but stressed it is nevertheless "very offensive." "I don't like it at all and I don't think anyone likes to be spat at," he said. "Also it's not against us, it's against Christ."

            Posted by Josephus Flavius at 10:05 AM

            Seminarians to be deported after being spit on
            http://byztex.blogspot.com/2009/09/seminarian-to-be-deported-after-being.html
            It's sad to see - after being the object of persecution and genocide - that one can turn around and show such disdain for another people. (...


            (These anti semite Armenians, how dare they?!)

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            • #7
              Re: Provocation in Jerusalem

              Christians in Jerusalem want J_ews to stop spitting on them

              Feb 13, 2009

              Christian groups are feeling threatened in Jerusalem, and reports indicate they have been spit on in some incidents. One Armenian Christian group claims this has been ongoing for years and the Israeli government is not doing enough to stop attackers.

              While leaving a meeting at the government office in Jerusalem’s Givat Shaul quarter, a Greek Orthodox clergyman was spit on. He said he was in his car when an elderly man with a skullcap knocked on the window. When the clergyman opened the car window, the stranger spit in his face.

              The clergyman didn’t file a complaint but told his friend he was used to such incidents. Israeli newspaper Haaretz reports other clergymen face similar problems and usually officials just ignore it. On Sunday, however, one incident went too far:

              An Armenian Archbishop was carrying the cross during a procession near the Holy Sepulcher in the Old City, when a yeshiva student spat at the cross. It led to a fight and the 17th-century cross was broken into pieces. The archbishop also slapped the student.

              The police arrested the student, who is currently facing trial, and banned him from the Old City for 75 days.

              Now, Armenian Christians are not happy with this ongoing problem and want more police involvement.

              Archbishop Nourhan Manougian told Haaretz:



              "When there is an attack against xxxs anywhere in the world, the Israeli government is incensed, so why when our religion and pride are hurt, don't they take harsher measures?"

              Shmuel Evyatar, former adviser to the mayor on Christian affairs, is appalled with the situation and calls it a "disgrace." He believes most of the attackers are yeshiva students studying in the Old City and they view the Christian religion with contempt.


              "I'm sure the phenomenon would end as soon as rabbis and well-known educators denounce it. In practice, rabbis of yeshivas ignore or even encourage it."

              Evyatar said he himself was spit on while walking with a Serbian bishop in the xxxish quarter. He said a group of yeshiva students spit at them and a nearby teacher did nothing to stop or reprimand them.

              Daniel Rossing, former advisor to the Religious Affairs Ministry on Christian affairs and director of a Jerusalem center for Christian-xxxish dialogue, feels the rise of such incidents shows a lack of tolerance in the country. He finds these incidents are common in places where two or more religious groups mingle. During the Purim holiday, he says incidents occur more frequently and Christians usually try to avoid them by staying indoors.

              The police say they have only received two complaints in the last two years and have caught the culprits and punished them. They have increased the number of patrols in the Old City areas to stop future incidents.

              Christians in Jerusalem want Jews to stop spitting on them :: www.uruknet.info :: informazione dal medio oriente :: information from middle east :: [host6 ]
              http://www.uruknet.info/?p=51780

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              • #8
                Re: Provocation in Jerusalem

                If I was visiting Israel and some 12 or 13 year old spat on me, I don't think I'd be able to hold myself back from attempting to break every bone in his body. How awfully disrespectful, holy land or not... I'd begin by saying "forgive me for I am about to rearrange your face".
                "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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                • #9
                  Re: Provocation in Jerusalem

                  Oooooh but may God forbid if anything to a much lesser degree happens to any J'ew or any J'ewish entity. They revolt and publicly demand apologies and reparations. And Israel is a democratic country, hah...hah... I lough. This is democratic?

                  KanadaHye jan, I don't blame you one bit!!!!! If I knew karate or had your manly power, I'd do the same!!!!!!!
                  Last edited by Anoush; 09-15-2009, 06:47 AM.

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                  • #10
                    Re: Provocation in Jerusalem

                    Originally posted by Anoush View Post
                    Oooooh but may God forbid if anything to a much lesser degree happens to any J'ew or any J'ewish entity. They revolt and publicly demand apologies and reparations. And Israel is a democratic country, hah...hah... I lough. This is democratic?

                    KanadaHye jan, I don't blame you one bit!!!!!
                    The Israeli state owns 80% of the land and non-j'ews are 3rd class citizens. They are a beacon of democracy for the middle east
                    "Nobody can give you freedom. Nobody can give you equality or justice or anything. If you're a man, you take it." ~Malcolm X

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