Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

[Army]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

That makes absolutely no sense. The media has it flaws but cannot hold a candle to lies and propaganda by governments. The Genocide against Christians, animists, in South Sudan and non Arab Muslims in Darfur have been going on since the 80's by the Islamist regime in Khartoum. In fact, things have to get absolutely out of hand for the media to even pay attention {which is typical for coverage of any genocide} and investigate these occurences. The media is often times that last one to report what others already know.

Yes its oil. Current government in Sudan has extremely good relationships with China (PRC) and US is not welcomed there. Thats why theres a 'genocide'

[KanadaHye]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

Is the new U.S. policy on Sudan the dawn of a new era of engagement with Khartoum?



On Monday U.S. President Barack Obama’s administration announced its new Sudan policy after months of speculation and lobbying from those opposed to any positive overtures to Khartoum and those who said further isolating Sudan would derail years of peace efforts.

U.S.-Sudanese relations have seen many ups and down in recent years. U.S. sanctions were imposed in 1997 and the United States bombed a Sudanese pharmaceuticals factory in 1998. There was praise for a 2005 north-south peace deal ending more than two decades of civil war, but it was overshadowed by outrage over atrocities in the 2003 Darfur uprising where Washington accused Khartoum of genocide.

The new policy outlined broad engagement, although no direct talks with President Omar Hassan al-Bashir, who is wanted by the International Criminal Court for war crimes in Darfur. Khartoum was offered unspecified incentives for tangible progress towards ending the Darfur crisis and implementing the 2005 north-south peace deal. But the government was warned of penalties for any stalling tactics.

Most analysts agreed the strategy was middle of the road with something in there to please everyone. The reaction from most sides of Sudan’s multiple conflicts was one of cautious welcome indicating that, at least for now, it was a good compromise.

And after a fierce battle between anti-Khartoum lobbyists and those advocating engagement in the United States, Obama’s envoy Scott Gration seemed to come out on top, with the U.S. President expressing open support for his work, snubbing calls for him to be removed from his post.

Washington said it had learned past lessons including that the focus on Sudan could not just be on either the ongoing hostilities in Darfur or on the democratic transformation outlined in the north-south deal known as the CPA. Rather it acknowledged a more comprehensive approach to Sudan was necessary to ensure long-term peace.

Once the dust had settled it became apparent that the ball had been left in Khartoum’s court. Washington will scrutinise concrete moves towards breaking a deadlock on talks on how to hold the first multi-party elections in 24 years due in less than six months and a southern referendum on secession in 2011.

Do you think this marks a real change in U.S. policy in Sudan? Or has Obama’s administration just openly declared a policy that former President George W. Bush was already following behind the scenes?

Do you think peace in Sudan can be achieved through the “carrot and stick” approach?

Should the international community be so involved in Sudan or should it just leave the Sudanese to solve their own problems?

http://blogs.reuters.com/africanews/2009/10/21/is-the-new-us-policy-on-sudan-the-dawn-of-a-new-era-of-engagement-with-khartoum/

[KanadaHye]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

Yes its oil. Current government in Sudan has extremely good relationships with China (PRC) and US is not welcomed there. Thats why theres a 'genocide'

That pretty much sums it up Army

Sudan has vast oil reserves. Oil means not having to abide by morality, human rights, etc as far as the US and EU are concerned. China, Russia, etc never make any pretext about caring about human rights so they have certain commercial advantages when it comes to dealing with muderous regimes.

These "murderous" regimes are usually trying to protect themselves from those "imperial regimes" that infiltrate their citizens and citizens of neighboring countries and supply them with weapons to fight any governments that don't "cooperate".




Oil - production:
466,100 bbl/day (2007 est.)
country comparison to the world: 32

Oil - consumption:
79,760 bbl/day (2006 est.)
country comparison to the world: 84

Oil - exports:
282,100 bbl/day (2005)
country comparison to the world: 43

Oil - imports:
7,558 bbl/day (2005)
country comparison to the world: 145

Oil - proved reserves:
6.6 billion bbl (1 January 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 21


Natural gas - proved reserves:
84.95 billion cu m (1 January 2008 est.)
country comparison to the world: 57


Exports - partners:
China 56.3%, Japan 30%, Indonesia 4.9% (2008)

Exports:
$12.15 billion (2008 est.)

Exports - commodities:
oil and petroleum products; cotton, sesame, livestock, groundnuts, gum arabic, sugar



https://www.cia.gov/library/publicat...k/geos/su.html

[KanadaHye]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

Ingredients for war: Oil and Sharia

1978: Large findings of oil are made in Bentiu, southern Sudan. The oil becomes an important factor in the strife between North and South.

1983: Numieri introduces the Islamic Sharia law to Sudan leading to a new breakout of the civil war in the Christian south. In the south the forces are led by the Sudan People's Liberation Movement (SPLM) under command by John Garang.

1985: President Numieri is removed from power in a military coup.

1986: A civilian government is made in an effort to restore peace after general elections.

1989: Al-Bashir and his Islamic Front (NIC) takes power in a military coup.

1995: The Sudanese government are accused of being part of an attempt on the life of Egyptian prime minister Mubarak. UN decides on sanctions against Sudan.

US attack on Sudan
1998: USA launches a missile attack on a chemical plant in Khartoum assumed to develop chemical weapons possibly in coorporation with the Al'Qaeeda terror network. Civilians are killed in the attack. The Sudanese government denies any link to terror and chemical weapons.

1998: A new constitution in Sudan.

1999: The president dissolves the national assembly and declares state of emergency.

1999: Sudan start an export of oil assisted by China, Canada, Sweden and other countries.

2001: An internal struggle in thegovernment, leads to the arrest of an ideological leader who were making peace attempts with the Sudan People's Liberation Army (SPLA)

March 2001: Hunger and famine in Sudan affects 3 million people.

May 2001: A Danish pilot flying for the International Red Cross is attacked and killed when delivering aid in southern Sudan. All flights in the area are temporarily stopped.

June 2001: Peace negotiations breaks down in Nairobi, Kenya.

August 2001: The Nile river floods leaving thousands homeless in Sudan.

September 2001: the UN lifts on sanctions against Sudan to support ongoing peace negotiations.

October 2001: Following the New York terror attacks, USA puts new sanctions on Sudan due to accusations of Sudan's involvment with iInternational terrorism.

During 2001: More than 14,550 slaves are freed after pressure from human rights groups.

New hope for peace?
January 2002: A ceasefire between government forces and the SPLM are finally agreed upon.

July 20th 2002: the government and SPLA signs a protocol to end the civil war.

July 27th 2002: President al-Bashir meets for the first time with SPLA leader John Garang. Ugandan president Yoweri Museveni has arranged the meeting. The war in Sudan is also having huge impact on the northen Uganda.

July 31st 2002: Government attacks SPLA again.

October 2002: The ceasefire is confirmed again, but remains very uncertain. Pecae negations still continues during the next years.

February 2003: The 2 rebelgroups representing the African population in Darfur starts a rebellion against the government as protest against neglection and suppression.

December 2003: Progress is made in the peace negotiations. The negotiations are mainly focused on sharing the important oil-ressources.

Ethnic killings in Darfur
January 2004: Government army strikes down on uprising in Darfur region in the Western Sudan. More than 100,000 people seeks refuge in Chad.

March 2004: UN officers reports that systematic killings on villagers are taking place in Darfur. UN names Darfur as the worst humanitarian currently, but nothing happens. UN fails to take action as Western countries and media has close to no focus on the problems in Sudan. But even the African leaders refuse to take action on the problem.

May 26th 2004: A historic peace agreement is signed, but the situation in Darfur remains unchanged and extremely critical.

January 9th 2005: In Nairobi the government and rebels signs the last parts of the peace treaty for Southern Sudan. All fighting in Africa's longest civil war is expected to end in January 2005, but the peace agreement still doesn't cover the Darfur region. More than 1.5 million people lost their homes since the conflict in Darfur broke out early 2003.

March 15th 2005: United Nations Security Council agrees to send 10,000 peace keeping soldiers to Southern Sudan. Again the descision does not cover the Darfur region.

2007: Violence and killings continues in the Darfur region. The conflict is in reality a genocide and is still considered the worst huminitarian disaster in the world. But not much is done about it. China has large oil interests in Africa and Sudan in particular. UN sanctions and security forces are needed, but China blocks for any real descissions in the UN security council. The rest of the world is not applying the necessary political pressure on the governments in Sudan and China.

http://crawfurd.dk/africa/sudan_timeline.htm

[hipeter924]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

There are very few nations in Africa that can be considered reasonable or even a compassionate government to any extent.

South Africa had military ties to Zimbabwe and Mugabe, Sri Lanka had a nasty civil war because of its lack of respect for minority rights, as for the rest of Africa there has just been rule by brutal warlords and military instated monarch's who have all committed genocides on a small or large scale.

Egypt you could say has the least bloody hand of all of them but even then Egypt itself is a military regime and I wouldn't want to live there either.

Colonialism ruined the stability in Africa, and destroyed cultures and traditions and changed tribal boundaries, when the colonials left all those tribes fought to get their ancient lands back or simply resources such as oil, gold and diamonds. But despite all this African's had a chance when they gained their independence and they blew it big time.

Look at Africa today, its people are starving, its corrupt, and even Nelson Mandela left a failed state behind him (the black-white inequality remains and there is just as much shanty towns and poverty as before he took power). It could have had some kind of democracy and economic stability but that soon eroded in its early days.

Personally if the colonial forces had stayed at the very least to put in place stable democracies perhaps there would not be this mess and we would be dealing with parliamentary democracies or democratic republics but the African's kicked the colonials out and refused Europe's help. and at the time Europe was glad they did as they wanted to walk away and ignore Africa for good.

[Alexandros]

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Sudanese president set to visit Turkey

Wednesday, November 4, 2009

ISTANBUL - From wire dispatches

Turkey has no intention of arresting Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir despite an international arrest warrant for him, the daily Hürriyet reported on its Web site Wednesday.

Al-Bashir is set to visit Turkey next week to attend a summit for Muslim nations, Hürriyet quoted senior Turkish officials as saying. The president will attend the summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, or OIC, in Istanbul.

The International Criminal Court, or ICC, ordered the arrest of al-Bashir on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the country's western Darfur region in March. Sudan immediately rejected the decision of the three-judge panel describing it as part of a "neo-colonialist" plan.

Turkey has not ratified the 2002 Rome Statute that established the ICC, but it is under pressure to do so to bring it closer to European Union standards. Rights groups say it is obliged to arrest al-Bashir when he lands in Istanbul.

In Khartoum, one presidential source said: “The decision has been taken. Unless there are last minute changes, he is going.” Asked if Turkish authorities would arrest al-Bashir during his visit, a Turkish Foreign Ministry official said on condition of anonymity, "No, there are no such plans."

Al-Bashir is the first sitting head of state to be ordered to face the ICC since it began work in 2002. The prosecutor said he had strong evidence that al-Bashir personally instructed his forces to annihilate three ethnic groups, the Fur, the Masalit and the Zaghawa, adding that roughly 2.5 million people had been victimized by his actions. The U.N. says up to 300,000 people have died since conflict broke out in the western Darfur region in 2003 when ethnic minority fighters took up arms against Sudan's Arab-dominated administration for a greater share of resources and power.

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[egeli]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

Sudanese president set to visit Turkey

Wednesday, November 4, 2009

ISTANBUL - From wire dispatches

Turkey has no intention of arresting Sudanese President Omar Hassan al-Bashir despite an international arrest warrant for him, the daily Hürriyet reported on its Web site Wednesday.

Al-Bashir is set to visit Turkey next week to attend a summit for Muslim nations, Hürriyet quoted senior Turkish officials as saying. The president will attend the summit of the Organization of the Islamic Conference, or OIC, in Istanbul.

The International Criminal Court, or ICC, ordered the arrest of al-Bashir on charges of war crimes and crimes against humanity in the country's western Darfur region in March. Sudan immediately rejected the decision of the three-judge panel describing it as part of a "neo-colonialist" plan.

Turkey has not ratified the 2002 Rome Statute that established the ICC, but it is under pressure to do so to bring it closer to European Union standards. Rights groups say it is obliged to arrest al-Bashir when he lands in Istanbul.

In Khartoum, one presidential source said: “The decision has been taken. Unless there are last minute changes, he is going.” Asked if Turkish authorities would arrest al-Bashir during his visit, a Turkish Foreign Ministry official said on condition of anonymity, "No, there are no such plans."

Al-Bashir is the first sitting head of state to be ordered to face the ICC since it began work in 2002. The prosecutor said he had strong evidence that al-Bashir personally instructed his forces to annihilate three ethnic groups, the Fur, the Masalit and the Zaghawa, adding that roughly 2.5 million people had been victimized by his actions. The U.N. says up to 300,000 people have died since conflict broke out in the western Darfur region in 2003 when ethnic minority fighters took up arms against Sudan's Arab-dominated administration for a greater share of resources and power.

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Stupid AKP, they cry about Israel but condone similar aggressors if they are Muslim. They were also one of the first to congratulate Ahmedinejad in Iran's farce election. This is clear proof of their Islamist agenda.

[hipeter924]

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Stupid AKP, they cry about Israel but condone similar aggressors if they are Muslim. They were also one of the first to congratulate Ahmedinejad in Iran's farce election. This is clear proof of their Islamist agenda.

Well whatever happens the meeting will be one military dictator meeting another, they will probably discuss strategies on oppressing the minorities of their countries, and perhaps the Turks will hand over the blueprint to Sudan of the Armenian Genocide to help the Sudan government 'solve' its 'people problem'.

[Muhaha]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

Who cares? Getting involved in other country's internal problems can only lead to bad things for the country getting involved. Non-Interventionism is the best policy.

[KanadaHye]

Re: Obama now screwing victims in Sudan too.

Who cares? Getting involved in other country's internal problems can only lead to bad things for the country getting involved. Non-Interventionism is the best policy.

I think it's a little too late for that considering the US military has presence/occupies 130 countries.