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  • Federate
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    Follow-up commentary on Serge's speech in London.
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    Analysis: Does Aliyev mean what he says? And, who was that man in London?


    Azerbaijan President Ilham Aliyev is fond of making war rhetoric concerning settling the long-running Armenia-Azeri conflict over Nagorno Karabakh.

    He made one such statement in his interview to the pan-European TV news channel EuroNews prior to his Armenian counterpart’s visit to Great Britain.

    The truth is, however, that the Azeri president probably opposes war more than anyone. He understands that resuming the war would mean breaking the peace created by his father.

    He inherited that peace and during the recent few years repeatedly demonstrated that he would never risk it. Aliyev junior has a clear vision of the trajectory of an Armenian shell in case of war: it’d be directly targeted at a 40-inch diameter oil pipe.

    Things would take a different turn if prices for oil on the world market dropped to some drastic level. In case of such juncture of events he might start thinking of war prospects, since he would have no other means of maintaining his family position – Aliyev’s throne has an oil smell and come crisis on the world fuel market he’d have to undertake something. Meanwhile, as long as the prices are high war is completely pointless.

    Why, in that case, does he speak about it so often?

    It is obvious that the Azeri president is solving several issues simultaneously: first of all he is creating an image of a true patriot in front of his electorate; secondly, he is exploring international sentiment; thirdly, he is minimizing his disappointment over the possible outcome of the Armenian-Turkish negotiation process.

    Every now and then his statements hit their target. Last week Chief of US National Intelligence Dennis Blair did not exclude the possibility of a new war. That statement followed one made earlier by one of the leaders of the International Crisis Group Alain Délétroz in which he said that “the war might break out any minute now”.

    In the spotlight of such statements Ilham Aliyev is positioning himself as a wise politician of great but not endless patience. Aliyev’s latest statement was timed to the Armenian president’s visit to London. On the whole, relations between Baku and London are approximately like those between Yerevan and Paris, Tbilisi and Berlin.

    In the early 1990s three European states divided among themselves the spheres of influence in the Caucasus: Armenia fell to France’s lot, considering the rich tradition of friendship between the two countries. Georgia went to Germany (former chief of Soviet Foreign Ministry Edward Shevardnadze's role in Germany’s reunion became the decisive factor), and oil- rich Azerbaijan became the ‘domain’ of Great Britain, British Petroleum (BP) corporation of which had been dealing with regional oil wells since before the Russian revolution.

    In September 1992 Great Britain’s Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher visited Baku as BP’s representative and that’s when Azerbaijan’s ‘oil diplomacy’ started.

    So, when declaring the possibility of resuming war Aliyev knew perfectly well what he was doing: Armenia’s possible counterblow at Baku-Tbilisi-Ceyhan oil pipeline would, first of all, mean a blow at British Petroleum, as 30.1 percent of the shares belongs to BP and only 25 percent to Azerbaijan’s State Oil Company.

    Aliyev thought he was warning “his folks”.

    Serzh Sargsyan intercepted Aliyev’s initiative in the air. Passing through Turkish airspace he sent a cable to Turkish authorities, which triggered a very strong reaction in Azerbaijan.

    During his London visit President Sargsyan thrashed Azerbaijan in a manner his predecessor Robert Kocharyan used to from time to time and something he himself had never done before.

    “Azerbaijan has not faced any substantial confrontation for having exceeded all the possible caps on conventional arms,” said the president in his speech at Chatham House British Royal Institute of International Affairs. “Even if not used in a war against Karabakh, the weapons Azerbaijan are stockpiling today will shoot somewhere. The only question is where and when.”

    While on the topic, the President stressed that “Armenia and Karabakh have never unleashed and never will unleash a war. However, we realize that we must be ready for war in case others wish to fight.”

    “The truth is that Karabakh was never a part of independent Azerbaijan,” stated Sargsyan. “Why do you think that Azerbaijan could secede from the USSR, but Mountainous Karabakh could not? Why do you think that large empires should disintegrate, but small ones should persevere? What is the basis? Instability? I cannot perceive it. I do not accept it. Because unfair decisions are the very cause of instability.”

    It should be noted that the Armenian president’s speech in London has become his best speech since coming to office. He managed to both take over Aliyev’s initiative and make use of the British stage as the most important international tribune for presenting Armenia’s standpoint to the world.

    Maybe, the Armenian president should be visiting Great Britain more often.

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  • Armanen
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    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    Had he managed his vanity he would not have ended in that position.

    His attitude that "I am majority and I can do what I like" got him in that sh.it.
    For the good of the whole nation I hope that will be a good lesson for present and future leaders.

    I do not believe he ever was a tavajan but that is the only way his decisions could have been described.

    We have to be thankful for our constitution ( not S.S) for saving us from that catastrophic blunder.
    If it were not for Serj and Co, the CC of Armenia wouldn't have worded its decision the way it did. the judicial branch in Armenia is still quite closely connected with the executive. Give Serj and co their due, they have so far out-maneuvered the turks. Let's see how the final stages unfold.

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  • londontsi
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    Originally posted by Haykakan View Post
    Funny how the guy went from davatchan to being cheered now on this forum. O what the hell ill say it again-i told you so.
    Had he managed his vanity he would not have ended in that position.

    His attitude that "I am majority and I can do what I like" got him in that sh.it.
    For the good of the whole nation I hope that will be a good lesson for present and future leaders.

    I do not believe he ever was a tavajan but that is the only way his decisions could have been described.

    We have to be thankful for our constitution ( not S.S) for saving us from that catastrophic blunder.

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  • Haykakan
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    Funny how the guy went from davatchan to being cheered now on this forum. O what the hell ill say it again-i told you so.

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  • ArmSurvival
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    I always thought the diaspora was wrong when they claimed Sargsyan was going to "sell out" Armenia. That was total BS. However, my main fear was that he was going into the negotiations not knowing the full extent of what was about to take place, or maybe miscalculating the Turks' veiled schemes (come on I'm Armenian, I have to always assume the worst-case scenario).

    Never have I been happier for being wrong. Not only did he turn last year's April 22 normalization signing into an April 24th ultimatum this year, he managed to avoid any preconditions through the Constitutional Court, and he threw all the international pressure onto Turkey's ratification, because he knows they don't want to normalize relations. He's even confident enough to take humorous jabs at Turkey & Azerbaijan in front of the world:

    Originally posted by Sargsyan
    I would like to take one step further and inform you that I am going to invite [Azerbaijani] President Aliyev to the potential opening ceremony of the Armenian-Turkish border.
    I can gladly say that I underestimated this man. In just a couple of months, Sargsyan might be the first leader in Armenian history to beat the Turks on the negotiation table.

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  • KarotheGreat
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    Read the whole thing on News.am thought it was good and he showed to the world that everything is depending on Turkey and the ball is in their camp. If Turkey makes one wrong step the lose a lot. So what ever happens we have won.

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  • Federate
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    Indeed, excellent speech by Serge Sargsyan! Here's the full official text of his speech in London if anyone's interested http://hetq.am/en/politics/eluyt/

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  • Eddo211
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    “If, as many suspect, it is proven that Turkey’s goal is to protract, rather than to normalize relations, we will have to discontinue the process,”
    Yes, that is how you say it.

    “I reiterate that as the political leader of the [Armenian] parliamentary majority, I exclude a failure by Armenia’s parliament to ratify the protocols in case of their ratification by Turkey without preconditions in accordance with our understandings,”
    He knows Turkey will bug out of it.


    “It’s only the Turks that are trying to find something in it,” Sarkisian scoffed during a question-and-asnwer session that followed his speech. “Nobody else, no other involved party, sees anything strange in that decision.”
    Telling it like it is......how does that pie in the face taste like Turkey?

    Ankara is simply looking for an excuse to avoid normalizing relations with Yerevan before a resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. “Would the Turks have been happy if our Constitutional Court had ruled that these protocols do not conform to Armenia’s constitution?” he said. “Maybe they would have been happy, seeing as they are trying to use every opportunity to torpedo the process.”
    let the international community understand that Turkey cannot face the truth. Sweet

    “Did we say in those protocols that the Republic of Armenia calls into question the genocide? Did we ever say during the negotiations that we are going to hamper the process of international recognition of the genocide? If the Turks think we did, it’s not our fault.”
    Right on. Bullseye suckers


    “April is a deadline for the United States as well because Congress may recognize the Armenian genocide. That would be big blow to Turkey,” he said, predicting that Ankara will have to drop its preconditions by that time.
    “If the protocols are not ratified until then we will not have big expectations anymore,”
    That is what I am talking about......give them ultimatum, they understand the lanquage.

    “I would like to take one step further and inform you that I am going to invite [Azerbaijani] President Aliyev to the potential opening ceremony of the Armenian-Turkish border.”
    hahahaha....oh this is classic.

    He also ruled any out peaceful settlement that would result in Karabakh’s return under Azerbaijani rule.
    In your face Aliyev.

    I am so happy

    Hail to the Chief

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  • Federate
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    Sarkisian To Send Turkish-Armenian Accord To Parliament


    President Serzh Sarkisian said on Wednesday that he has decided to formally submit Armenia’s normalization agreements with Turkey to the Armenian parliament for ratification despite what he called Turkish efforts to distort their essence. (UPDATED)

    Speaking during a visit to London, Sarkisian also reaffirmed his threats to annul the two “protocols” if Ankara drags its feet over their ratification. “If, as many suspect, it is proven that Turkey’s goal is to protract, rather than to normalize relations, we will have to discontinue the process,” he warned in a speech at the Royal Institute of International Affairs, a renowned London think-tank also known as Chatham House.

    “After the meeting here at Chatham House I intend to instruct my staff to send these documents to Armenia’s National Assembly for starting the ratification process,” Sarkisian said. “I reiterate that as the political leader of the [Armenian] parliamentary majority, I exclude a failure by Armenia’s parliament to ratify the protocols in case of their ratification by Turkey without preconditions in accordance with our understandings,” he said.

    Turkey’s leaders claim that Armenia itself set such preconditions with its Constitutional Court’s interpretation of the protocols’ implications contained in a recent ruling. They have singled out the court’s conclusion that the deal can not stop Yerevan from seeking greater international recognition of the Armenian genocide.

    “It’s only the Turks that are trying to find something in it,” Sarkisian scoffed during a question-and-asnwer session that followed his speech. “Nobody else, no other involved party, sees anything strange in that decision.”

    Like other Armenian officials, Sarkisian suggested that Ankara is simply looking for an excuse to avoid normalizing relations with Yerevan before a resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. “Would the Turks have been happy if our Constitutional Court had ruled that these protocols do not conform to Armenia’s constitution?” he said. “Maybe they would have been happy, seeing as they are trying to use every opportunity to torpedo the process.”

    “I can’t understand why the Turks … attach so much importance to the Constitutional Court’s decision. It’s an integral part of our domestic decision-making process,” added the Armenian leader.

    Ankara says Armenia’s highest court essentially prejudged the findings of an inter-governmental “subcommission” of history experts which the Armenian and Turkish governments plan to set up. Its establishment is one of the key provisions of the protocols.

    “Did we say in those protocols that the Republic of Armenia calls into question the genocide?” countered Sarkisian. “Did we ever say during the negotiations that we are going to hamper the process of international recognition of the genocide? If the Turks think we did, it’s not our fault.”

    In Yerevan, meanwhile, senior representatives of Sarkisian’s Republican Party of Armenia (HHK) reiterated that the National Assembly will not vote on the protocols before their endorsement by the Turkish parliament. Asked by RFE/RL’s Armenian service when the Sarkisian-controlled assembly might start debating them, Eduard Sharmazanov, the chief HHK spokesman, said: “Everything depends on the Turkish side.”

    Razmik Zohrabian, a deputy chairman of the HHK, said the Turks have until the April 24 anniversary of the genocide to ratify the protocols or face their annulment by Armenia. “April is a deadline for the United States as well because Congress may recognize the Armenian genocide. That would be big blow to Turkey,” he said, predicting that Ankara will have to drop its preconditions by that time.

    Failure to do that, Zohrabian told RFE/RL’s Armenian service, would lead Yerevan to declare the normalization process dead. “If the protocols are not ratified until then we will not have big expectations anymore,” he said.

    Speaking at Chatham House, Sarkisian again rejected the Turkish linkage between protocol ratification and the resolution of the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict, saying it is only undermining the two processes.

    “I, however, believe that the rapid normalization of Armenia-Turkey relations can set an example of a proactive problem-solving attitude that will positively stimulate and set an example the resolution of the Karabakh conflict,” he said. “I would like to take one step further and inform you that I am going to invite [Azerbaijani] President Aliyev to the potential opening ceremony of the Armenian-Turkish border.”

    The Karabakh conflict was another major theme of the hour-long speech, with Sarkisian accusing Azerbaijan of provoking an “extremely dangerous” arms race in the region and condemning Aliyev’s regular threats to resolve the dispute by force. He also ruled any out peaceful settlement that would result in Karabakh’s return under Azerbaijani rule.

    “Azerbaijan has exhausted the resources of trust in terms of autonomous status for minorities within its boundaries,” he said. “It was not and is not capable of providing guarantees of even internal security to such autonomies.”

    Sarkisian did not comment on chances for the signing of an Armenian-Azerbaijani framework agreement on Karabakh drafted by the American, French and Russian mediators. The latter have expressed hope that the conflicting parties will overcome their remaining differences this year.

    President Serzh Sarkisian said on Wednesday that he has decided to formally submit Armenia’s normalization agreements with Turkey to the Armenian parliament for ratification despite what he called Turkish efforts to distort their essence. (UPDATED)

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  • Haykakan
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    BARACK OBAMA WILL BE READY TO PUNISH TURKEY IN CASE OF FAILURE OF ARMENIAN-TURKISH PROCESS: ARMENIAN EXPERT

    ArmInfo
    2010-02-04 15:47:00

    ArmInfo. Normalization of Armenian-Turkish relations the only issue
    the USA, Russia and EU have no disagreements on in the region, says
    Richard Giragosian, Director of the Armenian Center of National and
    International Studies (ACNIS).

    He thinks that the USA, Russia and the EU are waiting for actions
    by Turkey. He is sure that the USA and Russia will exert pressure on
    Turkey within the coming weeks since Turkey disappointed them by its
    inconsistent policy. The expert supposes that activation of the process
    on recognition of the Armenian Genocide by Washington may be one of
    the measures of pressure on Turkey. "Barack Obama may use protraction
    of ratification of the protocols to show how strong leaders he is,"
    Giragosian says.

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