Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhood

[levon]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

Sure, but to Americans, the Armenians looked almost like Turks, except they were Christians

Look you said that Saroyan himself noted that Armenians are christian Turks. Now you are jumping through loops trying to re-define what you said. I don't care what Armenians looked like to Americans. Provide sources to support what you claimed Saroyan said about Armenians.

I think this quote is not really flattering.
It says Armenians have lost all wars.
Not something we can be proud of!

You certainly don't understand what the quote says. In fact, I'm beginning to think you've only kinda heard about Saroyan, and have never really read any of his works.
The quote is a direct challenge to Turkey and it speaks of the tenacity of the Armenian nation . It says to Turks and anyone else, that we, Armenians, will always carry on no matter what is thrown our way, and no Turk or anybody else will ever be able to destroy us.

[Joseph]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

You're confusing two things into one. First of all, dressing like someone from the ottoman empire does not equal to those people considering themselves as Turks.

Secondly, I asked for a source, if you don't remember where you read it, then don't post it as if it's a fact.

Third, meeting with the president of Turkey in no way relates to his position being complicated.

And lastly, this quote speaks for itslef


The Armenian and the Armenian

I should like to see any power of the world destroy this race; this small tribe of unimportant people
whose history is ended, whose wars have all been fought and lost, whose structures have crumbled,
whose literature is unread, whose music is unheard, whose prayers are no longer uttered.
Go ahead, destroy this race. Let us say that it is again 1915 there is war in the world. Destroy Armenia.
See if you can do it. Send them from their homes into the desert. Let them have neither bread nor water.
Burn their houses and their churches. See if they will not live again.
See if they will not laugh again. See if you can stop them from mocking the big ideas of the world.
You sons of xxxxxes. Go ahead, try to destroy them.

Agreed. I might eat pizza from time to time, that does not mean I'm from Naples.

[lampron]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

Look you said that Saroyan himself noted that Armenians are christian Turks. Now you are jumping through loops trying to re-define what you said. I don't care what Armenians looked like to Americans. Provide sources to support what you claimed Saroyan said about Armenians.



You certainly don't understand what the quote says. In fact, I'm beginning to think you've only kinda heard about Saroyan, and have never really read any of his works.
The quote is a direct challenge to Turkey and it speaks of the tenacity of the Armenian nation . It says to Turks and anyone else, that we, Armenians, will always carry on no matter what is thrown our way, and no Turk or anybody else will ever be able to destroy us.

I am fairly certain that years ago I had read Saroyan having said so. If he had, it should not be surprising because often he looked at Armenians through American eyes, but there is nothing amazing about this observation (and you didn't have to be a Saroyan to see it either). For centuries Armenians lived as islands in an Ottoman sea!

Yes his quote also says that Armenians have survived. But is this flattering? Are the Turks boasting about their survival? Or Russians? Or the Italians?

When the Ottomans arrived in Anatolia they were perhaps a tribe of 30,000 - mostly men. The Armenians were probably 1 million or more. So if anything it was the Ottomans whose survival was at stake!

[hrai]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

William Saroyan believed Armenians were "Christian Turks".

So, for clarity : I think I read somewhere at sometime that Saroyan might have written something along these lines or something similar, but then again I can't really be sure....

[mouradian]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

Very well then.

1) Do you believe that there was an Armenian Genocide (actually a Christian Genocide against Armenians, Pontic Greeks, Assyrians, Nestorians)?
2) Do you believe that much of the Armenian homeland is in parts Asia Minor currently controlled by Turkey?
3) Do you believe in independence for Artsakh?

As far as the questions: as you and I know the answers by heart, don't you think (!)

Nice source. Anti-Armenian website dedicated to Genocide denial.

As for the source of the interview I actually copied from

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TURKIS.../message/44803 which is not an anti Armenian website at all. please feel free to check it out if you like

furthermore the original source of the interview is irrelevant until the authenticity or the correctness failed to proved, anyway

e.g. Wikipedia has lot's of errors and deliberate mistakes, but that doesn't stop me to use some of their "I believe" genuine and to the point articles and views until it is proven wrong

[levon]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

I am fairly certain that years ago I had read Saroyan having said so.

I don't care how certain you are. Either provide a source, or stop referring to it as fact.

If he had, it should not be surprising because often he looked at Armenians through American eyes, but there is nothing amazing about this observation (and you didn't have to be a Saroyan to see it either).

Wrong again. He looked at Armenians through Armenian eyes. Go read the short stories under "My name is Aram" and then tell he he looked at Armenians through American eyes.

Yes his quote also says that Armenians have survived. But is this flattering? Are the Turks boasting about their survival? Or Russians? Or the Italians?

The quote specifically refers to the Genocide and points to the fact that we survived through and and will survive through anything else.

When the Ottomans arrived in Anatolia they were perhaps a tribe of 30,000 - mostly men. The Armenians were probably 1 million or more. So if anything it was the Ottomans whose survival was at stake!

Did you read this somewhere as well, but don't remember it? Are you completely full of BS. Provide your sources, because right now you're at 2 strikes. One more, and you will join the ranks of Azar as being full of BS.

[lampron]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

So, for clarity : I think I read somewhere at sometime that Saroyan might have written something along these lines or something similar, but then again I can't really be sure....

he certainly was quoted! But the reaction in some quarters is as if their whole whole faith in the Armenian nation depended on it!

[lampron]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

levon

What have you done to Azar? I hope you haven't hounded him/her out of this forum!!

Sorry to say, but I stand by everything I have said! There is no pride in "survival" (massacres and invasions happened many times before the genocide), or in losing wars! The Ottomans were indeed a small tribe and the Armenians were all over Central, Eastern Anatolia. You google if you want!

[Joseph]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

As far as the questions: as you and I know the answers by heart, don't you think (!)



As for the source of the interview I actually copied from

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/TURKIS.../message/44803 which is not an anti Armenian website at all. please feel free to check it out if you like

furthermore the original source of the interview is irrelevant until the authenticity or the correctness failed to proved, anyway

e.g. Wikipedia has lot's of errors and deliberate mistakes, but that doesn't stop me to use some of their "I believe" genuine and to the point articles and views until it is proven wrong

It's simple really. You can answer yes or no. I have the feeling you will not be able to answer in the affirmative which will only prove your real identity.

Secondly, I checked out the website that re-posted the interview from the genocide denial website. Again, it is a Turkish propaganda website.

"mouradian", what you are doing neither clever nor original. We often have people who join claiming to be Armenians who are not.

[Joseph]

Re: Vahe Avetian: I Am Honored By "Abi" Title Daily By Turkish Kids Of Neighborhoo

What have you done to Azar? I hope you haven't hounded him/her out of this forum!!

Sorry to say, but I stand by everything I have said! There is no pride in "survival" (massacres and invasions happened many times before the genocide), or in losing wars! The Ottomans were indeed a small tribe and the Armenians were all over Central, Eastern Anatolia. You google if you want!

You can go to hell lampron and embrace with Talaat for all I care. Armenian pride is in survival and the ability to rebuild not in the subjugation of other nations. Turkish pride seems to be focused on conquest, control, and its legacy of brutality. It seems to me the Turks are such reactionary warmongers because losing an empire hurt their fragile pride. They decry empires and colonialism except for their own. They enslaved others to fight their wars. Its almost as if they were created out of the imagination of Tolkien.