Turkey claims to 'helping' Armenia

[Genocide]

The thing that pisses me off, is that there all already so few of us, i mean armenians 100% Armenian blood, out there and then we have to deal with the few of us left going and trying to be black, no offence to that africans, but who the hell wants to be black? just cause they wear baggy clothes and talk all slang? we have our own xxxx to deal with, we have our own history, but these dumb xxxxs are either too blind to see it, or too scared to admit it.

[TJ]

any Armenian that doesnt act like an Armenian is a disgrace. i agree with you guys whole heartedly and no i dont htink its going to go away because Armenian boys have been acting like this since the early days when tupac was still around i remember my cousins idolized them and memorized all these rap lyrics but they didnt try to act black which a lot of kids these days are doing. so it seems to me that its getting worse and worse. The other thing i dont understand is Armenian girls acting like xxxxty puerto ricans and what not. you gotta stay true to the roots and we dont have enough people like other white groups to be able to say its okay if a few retards think theyre black. we need every Armenian we got. anyway when you get married marry an Armenian girl, have 6 kids and move back to Armenia. thats how im going. not until i have some fun though. so i guess ill get married around 30. i just feel bad i cant be in Armenia right now. The other kinds of Armenians that piss me off are the ultra liberal idiots who go around calling turks and georgians our brothers and sisters and have no national pride, not to mention brains.

[Arshak1946]

Re: Turkey claims to 'helping' Armenia

Hello,,,
Never belive Turkey,never trust Turkey,,,,,, We know what they are capable to do with thiere evil minds. Never never again we should belive and trust until Armenian Genocide is accepted by Turkey,,,,,,
My best regards to all.

Turkish Prime Minister Abdullah Gul once again used the denialist policies of the Turkish Government regarding the Armenian Genocide at the Council of Europe, after speaking about Turkey's "Zero Tolerance of torture." and the 'progress' they have made regaurding human rights.
One speaker, François Rochebloine, (France) cited "the deep commitment to renewal" displayed by the election of the new Turkish government, asked if Turkey intends now to "clarify its past, especially regarding Armenia and Armenian communities" by acknowledging "the annihilation, through genocide, of its Armenian population," Gul argued that events took place during a time of war, and renounced the existence of any plan to annihilate the Armenian people. He went on to note that "Turkey helps Armenia," rejecting any notion that his country is responsible for poor relations with its neighbor. He concluded by stressing the need to "focus on the future and forget the past."

"Beyond the usual denialist propaganda, what is striking in Gul's speech is his inability to objectively view history and to grasp how its denial has led to the current political deadlock," said executive director of the European Armenian Federation Laurent Leylekian.

"Mr. Gul's remarks simply don't reflect reality: Armenians and non-Turkish minorities in general are second class citizens in an apartheid state. And as for their complete religious tolerance- I suggest Mr. Gul informs Mr. Yusuf Akbulut of these facts. Mr. Akbulut, an Assyrian priest, was in the past physically threatened and jailed for having mentioned the Armenian Genocide of 1915. His church was vandalized in Diyarbakir, only two weeks ago," noted Leylekian.

"The claim that 'Turkey helps Armenia' is patently false. Turkey continues to act as a predator and rogue state by continuing its illegal blockade of Armenia. Those who put their hopes in the new Young-Turks who pretend to be crypto-Islamists, have now understood that more than the current regime, the problem is the Turkish state itself, with its racist and bellicose doctrines," concluded Leylekian.

[xBaron Dants]

Re: Turkey claims to 'helping' Armenia

Hello,,,
Never belive Turkey,never trust Turkey,,,,,, We know what they are capable to do with thiere evil minds. Never never again we should belive and trust until Armenian Genocide is accepted by Turkey,,,,,,
My best regards to all.

We're not trusting anyone. We're just doing business. This has nothing to do with the recognition of the Genocide for it is only economical, and not political. If opening up the borders would increase national production by a billion dollars (according to the deputy economic minister), then why not?

[Arshak1946]

Re: Turkey claims to 'helping' Armenia

Hello Baron Dants and Armenian Club Forum Members;
Thank you very much about your reply for topic that opened by Lilya, I am glad that we are not trusting anyone but we are doing business, my friend we don't need Turkey's businees, if you read latest news about Armenian economy , Armenian economy growing 1.4 % without Turkey's businness. Also everything Armenia does has direct connection with Armenian Genocide, we shall never never forget this, it is our national duty that never never forget what happened to our grandfathers,grandmothers,fathers,mothers,brothers ,sisters what happened that dark days of our history, we been slap to our face,it was a national shame that up to date generation is carrying. My personal opionian only will give us back our national dignity is Turkey must accept the Armenian Genocide.
Thank you again.
My best regards to all

Hello,,,
Never belive Turkey,never trust Turkey,,,,,, We know what they are capable to do with thiere evil minds. Never never again we should belive and trust until Armenian Genocide is accepted by Turkey,,,,,,
My best regards to all.

We're not trusting anyone. We're just doing business. This has nothing to do with the recognition of the Genocide for it is only economical, and not political. If opening up the borders would increase national production by a billion dollars (according to the deputy economic minister), then why not?

[xBaron Dants]

We can't forget what happened to our grandparents, but maybe we should start thinking about what's going to happen to our grandchildren. We seem to forget that Armenia doesn't ONLY have a past (in which most people tend to live), and that it's trying to build a stable future.

You cannot claim that we do not need Turkey's business because there are many turkish products (though not as many as some would lead you to believe) entering Armenia even WITH THE EMBARGO. Are you saying that Armenia doesn't need the extra billion dollars? Wouldn't the Turks be screwing us over once more? I honestly do not get your point of view. Armenians in Armenia are waiting for the day the borders will open and provide them with work and business opportunities (especially those in Gyumri, who would probably be the most favored because of the revival of the old railway lines), while people living thousands of miles away want to deny them that right, without suffering its consequences.

Anywho, the Ministry of Finance and Economy just said that they still do not have an in-depth report about the economic repercussions of open borders, so I guess we shall wait and see.

[xBaron Dants]

Well, you might have a point, 1 billion does sound like too much. However, if you consider the fact that there would be a lot of train traffic going through Gyumri, that products from Armenia going to Turkey and vice-versa would not pass through other countries such as Georgia or Iran, that there would also be a lot more products from Armenia going to Turkey, and also, that armenian products would have an easier route to Europe through Turkey, we can conclude that opening up the borders would do a lot of good for Armenia (as well as for Turkey). Maybe it won't reach a billion dollars right away, but in the long run, it doesn't look so out of reach.

And I cannot fail to stress this, this must be thoroughly examined before any steps are undertaken, and I am confident that our government (especially foreign affairs minister Vartan Osganian) will not hastily jump into this without clearly establishing its repercussions. I just beg of you to stop mortgaging our future for the sake of our past.

[patlajan]

I agree.

[TJ]

I think you guys fail to comprehend the main thing at about opening the border, mainly that Armenia is right now a landlocked country whose only viable way of exporting to Europe and the US where most of our products go is to pay high tariffs and send it through the xxxxin piece of xxxx georgians.(i hate georgians as you can see). The fact that we are so isolated gives azerbaijan (i these xxxxxes too) leverage in the Nagorno -Kharabagh peace talks. the azeris know that once turkey opens its borders which will happen very soon Armenia will not have to worry about resolving the conflict but can go on as normal for as long as we need because our economy will not be hampered by the conflict so they will be forced to make more concessions. I believe that if turkey had not imposed the blockade in 93 or '94 i think then Kharabakh would legally be ours. azerbaijan will not start a new military conflict no matter how much they talk because the plain fact is that if they start a conflict they will be shunned by the European community and even by Turkey who is working so hard to the EU(but never will). And if we are attacked the least we can count on is Russia's full support, because if some of you dont know by now Russia and Armenia are strategic allies not to mention the fact the the Armenian and Artsakh armies are two of the best trained armies in the world this is something that analysts have been stating for years not something i just pulled out of my ass. So dont worry we wont lose in a military conflict. i dont know if you follow the logic it is a little sketchy( ask me if you need and i will explain it to you personally a lot better). The other main fact is that our industrial production will probably soar by about 50% in the first two years after the opening of the border with turkey because rail is the cheapest and best way to transport goods and at this point we dont export anything by rail except to georgia who then has to load them on black sea docks and export it to ukraine and anyway its a long process to get from here to western europe. but opening the railways with turkey will allow our products to get out without high tariffs and be able to compete in European markets. I am a die hard Armenian at heart but you have to understand that turkey is not going to recognize the genocide in the near future and we cannot sit and let time and opportunities to fly away waiting for something that is at least 30 years away. and for those of you saying that the economy is growing 15% a year and so and so, ill warrant that yes it is growing 15% and maybe more in yerevan, yerevan is now a beautiful city with a vibrant economy and if the rest of the country was like yerevan we wouldnt have a problem but the main fact is that economic growth is centered mainly in yerevan and the rest of the country has progressed very little in the past 12 years. I believe opening the border will give a new impetus to our nation's economy and force azerbaijan to make concessions in the Nagorno-Kharabagh conflict. Davai.

[xBaron Dants]

And there you have it. Getsess patlajan. (But give me SOME credit..hehe)