Poverty in Armenia.

[JohnCanadian]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

I think its very sad that a former Soviet Country like Armenia fails to deliver and provide the level living standards, and opportunities for the Armenian population. One day that might change but it doesn't look like anything is going to happen positively in a long time.

How much is the minimum wage a month there?

Amazing loads of people are abroad that equate to more the population of Armenia. That must undoubtedly hurt the industry hard. We have a lot of Armenians in Canada and the EU - more there than Canada for obvious reasons.

Its a shame that young Armenian girls or women have to prostitute themselves, but at least they are making more money and can afford to provide for themselves.

It doesn't seem the Armenian government is doing much to bring back the much needed labor or even trying to lift the living standards in the former Soviet Country.

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[JohnCanadian]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

This is an overview of American aid given to Armenia since 1992. The website shows a collection of programmes and other USAID related resources dedicated to Armenia building a viable economy and at peace with its neighbors.

http://armenia.usaid.gov/

[gegev]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

I think its very sad that a former Soviet Country like Armenia fails to deliver and provide the level living standards, and opportunities for the Armenian population. One day that might change but it doesn't look like anything is going to happen positively in a long time.

How much is the minimum wage a month there?

Amazing loads of people are abroad that equate to more the population of Armenia. That must undoubtedly hurt the industry hard. We have a lot of Armenians in Canada and the EU - more there than Canada for obvious reasons.

Its a shame that young Armenian girls or women have to prostitute themselves, but at least they are making more money and can afford to provide for themselves.

It doesn't seem the Armenian government is doing much to bring back the much needed labor or even trying to lift the living standards in the former Soviet Country.

John I live in Armenia.

The worldwide economic crisis doesn’t affect very much Armenia, I don’t know how rich you are but most of Armenians here are not poor, although the economic situation is affected by the crisis. If you visit Armenia you will see how distant your thoughts are from reality. Last year most significant donations have been made by Armenian residents to All Armenian Fund, as opposed to the past, and the medium and small size donations have been increased as well. But we all appreciate our Diaspora fellow Armenians contribution to All Armenian assistance fund especially the ones made during the period 1991-2006 Armenian economic collapse.

In addition note please that the non Armenian origin prostitutes abroad have their Labor Unions, but Armenians have not that much prospered in the area, therefore they don’t have the Union yet. It means that you would better talk about the organized ones.

Please don’t cry for poor Armenia residents and prostitutes, no need. The other nations, with bigger problems in the area, always conceal them, but alas we advertise our small one.

Small one deserves small talk.

Let’s talk about worldwide unemployment and who can do what for the fellow Armenians in Armenia and abroad.

Please come and see Armenia, now you can’t see much NGO/PVO activity here; the times had passed and therefore you moved out.

Regards,

Gegev

[JohnCanadian]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

John I live in Armenia.

The worldwide economic crisis doesn’t affect very much Armenia, I don’t know how rich you are but most of Armenians here are not poor, although the economic situation is affected by the crisis. If you visit Armenia you will see how distant your thoughts are from reality. Last year most significant donations have been made by Armenian residents to All Armenian Fund, as opposed to the past, and the medium and small size donations have been increased as well. But we all appreciate our Diaspora fellow Armenians contribution to All Armenian assistance fund especially the ones made during the period 1991-2006 Armenian economic collapse.

In addition note please that the non Armenian origin prostitutes abroad have their Labor Unions, but Armenians have not that much prospered in the area, therefore they don’t have the Union yet. It means that you would better talk about the organized ones.

Please don’t cry for poor Armenia residents and prostitutes, no need. The other nations, with bigger problems in the area, always conceal them, but alas we advertise our small one.

Small one deserves small talk.

Let’s talk about worldwide unemployment and who can do what for the fellow Armenians in Armenia and abroad.

Please come and see Armenia, now you can’t see much NGO/PVO activity here; the times had passed and therefore you moved out.

Regards,

Gegev

Actually I have been to Armenia lots of times and I used to live there for some years and I do disagree with you most Armenians being not poor that is not true I encountered very severe poverty after the other there. Im telling you know based on Western (EU Citizen and Canadian) experience that Armenia has poverty that you would not see in the Western (EU, Canada) world. The collapse of the Soviet Union has devastated all of the former Soviet Republics (especially the poorest country in Europe - Moldova). Yes I have seen some small signs of improvement. Armenia has quite a lot of NGO activity especially from the EU and US. I happen to know some mates who worked in Armenia as NGO workers (now moved on with their careers) as little as last year who said it is a bad sight there.

So dont criticize me as me having small talk. Armenia has very high unemployment the elderly in Armenia are living on the edge of survival in terms of financial means where the average wage there is under 200 Euros a month the pensions in Armenia are even lower likely to be under 100 Euros a month.

My mom is owns a Law Firm and she was doing business in Armenia and she had many problems with the Armenian way of doing business it was very underdeveloped way of conducting business something that the Western World where my mom comes from (EU) is very different than the way of doing business in Armenia. My dad is an Investment Banker who also had a lot of problems as well. He was going involve Armenia in some Investment Projects (out of interest) but cancelled it so he moved to the EU (Netherlands) and was involved in high profile projects. It was successful.

Im not crying for Armenia you are very wrong I was concerned for its deep poverty . My thoughts are not distance from reality thats the truth for Armenia whether you like it or not. I have my own views on this country and I am not going to change it just because I disagree from your view Gegev.

The life I have lived in the Western World (EU and Canada) is very different from the Former Soviet times of living and today still in Armenia. Despite Armenia making small steps to improve their living standards etc Armenia has an awful long way to go to get to the medium standard of living.

[kujirasan]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

Gegev,
Suffering from Ostrich syndrome can be cured by looking the reality in the face, I cam across first hand, I was asked to assist with Assyrian refugees due to crises in Iraq, news came that women were forced in prostitution, so I headed for Dubai,
I was told by few women they met and Assyrian speaking women by name of SHUSHANA , and she told them of her situation, we managed to find the Armenian pimps and after delivering a decent thrashing to the pimps, located the woman, she was born in Assyrian village but was ethnic Armenian, and spoke fluent Assyrian,
she gave the figure at around 4000, and 40000 in Turkey!
I haven't come across Assyrians who speak Armenian, but among the Iraqi, there large number of mixed marriage and none of the children identified with GHARPETS and KHACHATURS etc, then I headed for Armenia as I was ask to asses the situation and report to elders , and see if situation was serious, there we decided to move to the vulnerable one to the Krasnodar in those village population was 30% mix but once again most children from mixed marriage refused to speak Armenia when engaged in conversation, in Iraq it was Armenia men that had married Assyrian women, and few that question, told me they are reliable not party girls like Armenian ones! in Armenia it was the Armenian women that had married Assyrian men, and the women told me that Armenian men usually are drunks dissolute and gamblers ! Don't bring money home!
In those villages on Sunday in the church service the majority were Armenian, they would come from near by villages , because they had no church in their own villages, what a joke for a Nation that was first to t adopt Christianity as State Religion.
Given that you are around 10 million, and mostly in the Western countries, it is nothing short of disgrace to see this happening! And defending with the Goebbelsian ethos.
I manage to question few of the leading lights of diaspora, and they told me that money is sent, ends up being pocketed , for example, Australian Armenian , annually send 60 Million US Dollars!
In 1914 , Russian trained around 50 000 Armenian irregulars in KHOI in Iran, just off the border from present day Armenia,
However it was the Assyrians that destroyed 3 Ottoman divisions and captured the 9th Army intact! Not to mention that half a million of you people poured across the border into Urmiah, and were housed and fed and taken care of by the Assyrians, with most of the women being raped and giving birth around the clock!

Now listen, you have to take good look at your self and the people running you racket there, and do some hard work and get to a level that the Nation deserves! There is no point having odd millionaires in California or Canada, while the Mother country is a wreck!
Assyrians are 2 million with large portion becoming refugees, from Soviet Union ,and Iraq,as well Syria, we don't have one Millionaire , but just very humble people with no Government and no organization managed to care and re build with 4 churches in Russia, in Krsanodar Moscow and Rostov and Vinitsa! and two Schools! Not one cent from UN or other agency, not one cent!
So get off your arse!

[hipeter924]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

Poverty exists everywhere save Singapore. But some countries handle it better than others. The reason Armenia is in poverty is due to it not investing enough in information technology and scientific institutions, or thinking seriously and effectively enough on how it can catch up with the EU and the rest of the world.

If you can't trade much by goods much it would make more sense for Armenia to go into area's that can be done over the internet or with the materials at hand aka manufacturing high quality goods.

I often but forward Singapore as a good model for developing nations as it actually did come from poverty to massive prosperity with little natural resources of its own.

[gegev]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

Kosht@ cari dardn a latsum.

I see, alas, unemployment and poverty worldwide is too high!

John I live in Armenia.

The worldwide economic crisis doesn’t affect very much Armenia, I don’t know how rich you are but most of Armenians here are not poor, although the economic situation is affected by the crisis. If you visit Armenia you will see how distant your thoughts are from reality. Last year most significant donations have been made by Armenian residents to All Armenian Fund, as opposed to the past, and the medium and small size donations have been increased as well. But we all appreciate our Diaspora fellow Armenians contribution to All Armenian assistance fund especially the ones made during the period 1991-2006 Armenian economic collapse.

In addition note please that the non Armenian origin prostitutes abroad have their Labor Unions, but Armenians have not that much prospered in the area, therefore they don’t have the Union yet. It means that you would better talk about the organized ones.

Please don’t cry for poor Armenia residents and prostitutes, no need. The other nations, with bigger problems in the area, always conceal them, but alas you are trying advertise our small ones.

Small ones deserve small talks.

Let’s talk about worldwide unemployment and who can do what for the fellow Armenians in Armenia and abroad.

Please come and see Armenia, now you can’t see much NGO/PVO activity here; the times had passed and therefore you moved out.

Regards,

Gegev

When I cry for the poor, I'm becoming rich in no time.

Gegev

[Haykakan]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

Gegev,
Suffering from Ostrich syndrome can be cured by looking the reality in the face, I cam across first hand, I was asked to assist with Assyrian refugees due to crises in Iraq, new came that women were forced in prostitution so head for Dubai,
I was told by few women they met and Assyrian speaking women by name of SHUSHANA , and she told them of her situation, we managed to find the Armenian pimps and after delivering a decent thrashing to the pimps, located the woman, she was born in Assyrian village, and spoke fluent Assyrian,
she gave the figure at around 4000, and 40000 in Turkey!
I haven't come across Assyrians who speak Armenian, but among the Iraqi, there large number of mixed marriage and none of the children identified with GHARPETS and KHACHATURS etc, then I head for Armenia as I was ask to asses the situation and report to elders see if situation was serious, there we decided to move to the vulnerable one to the Krasnodar in those village population was 30% but once again most children of mix marriage refused to speak Armenia when engaged in conversation, in Iraq it was Armenia men that had married Assyrian women, and few that question, told me they are reliable not party girls! in Armenia it was the Armenian women that had married Assyrian men, and the women told me that Armenian men usually drunks dissolute and gamblers ! Don't bring money home!
In those villages on Sunday in the church service the majority were Armenian, they would come from near by villages , because they had no church in their own villages, this the first Nation that adopted Christianity as State Religion.
Given that you are around 10 million, and mostly in the Western countries, it is nothing short of disgrace to see this happening! And defending with the Goebbelsian ethos.
I manage to question few of the leading lights of diaspora, and they told me that money is send put is pocketed , for example, Australian Armenian , annually send 60 Million US Dollars!
In 1914 , Russian trained around 50 000 Armenian irregulars in KHOI in Iran, just off the border from present day Armenia,
However it was the Assyrians that destroyed 3 Ottoman divisions and capture the 9th Army intact! Not to mention that half a million of you people poured across the border into Urmiah, and were housed and fed and taken care of by the Assyrian, with most of the women raped and giving birth around the clock!

Now listen, you have to take good look at your self and the people running you racket there, and do some hard work and get to a level that the Nation deserves! There is no point having odd millionaires in California or Canada, while the Mother country is a wreck!
Assyrians are 2 million with large portion becoming refugees, from Soviet Union ,and Iraq,as well Syria, we don't have one Millionaire , but just very humble people with no Government and no organization managed to care and re build with 4 churches in Russia, in Krsanodar Moscow and Rostov and Vinitsa! and two Schools! Not one cent from UN or other agency, not one cent!
So get of your arse!

Hey buddy Armenians are among one of the most religious people there are(not that i think it is a particularly a good thing).I am not doughting what you claim or calling you a liar but just because you have seen these things does not mean that this is the norm, remember you are talking about 10 million people and you have seen so few of us.I personally know a lot of assyrians that come to armenian churches regularly and many married armenians. As for Armenia, sure unlike you we do have a small plot of land but that land is surrounded by mortal enemies intent on destroying us and they are blockading us, so there are some good reasons why Armenia has problems and poor leadership may or may not be one of them but it is not nearly as big a factor as being landlocked and blockaded.

[Yedtarts]

Re: Poverty in Armenia.

JohnCanadian
Are you saying that there are no Canadian prostitutes or poverty in Canada?