"IF THE ARMENIANS WISH, THEY CAN CONQUER AZERBAIJAN"

[Hayq]

Without proper funding and teamwork, we can not build a military, and we can not conquer anyone. We need to start from there, an economy, and industry...the armed forces will follow shortly.

[Virgil]

Yes let us destroy Israel. Shall we masacre the large armenian population that occupies a QUARTER of Jerusalem as well? anti-semetic twit...

HyeJinx please define a Anti-Semite? Are Arabs "Anti-Semitic"? By your logic they are since they critisize Israel, now, please explain to me how they can be Anti-Semitic when in fact they are Semites themselves? They must really hate themselves.

Second of all, Armenians have been living in Jerusalem ever since Roman times, but today they are indirectly being "pushed out" of the Armenian querter, so, to assume that Armenians should be grateful towards Jews is a bit inconsistent because Jerusalem has only been under Israeli control for only the past 60 years. IF anything Jews should thank Christians for practically handed over the "holy land" to them not the other way around.

Third of all, I am sure if Jews and Israel had been reduced to a third world country no one on these would give a flying xxxx what happend to them, but because they are the majority of intellectual, political, and economic elite of the U.S., a few Armenians, think by brown nosing they will "get ahead".

Personally, I have nothing against Jews and don't care what happens to Israel, but when they use Armenain issues to progress then that is where I draw line. See it would be one thing if Armenians lobbied on behalf of Arabs, but we don't, however, Jews directly lobby for Turks, thus, the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

[HyeJinx1984]

I am not anti-semetic Mr. self-hating Armeinan.

And on what basis are you calling me a self-hating Armenian? When have I ever said anything to make you believe I am a self hating Armenian? You've called me this twice now and I don't get it. What kind of good Armenian goeas around putting down others Armenians? Apparently you.

You're tactic seems to be "agree with me or I'll call you a self-hating Armenian.. which should piss you off because, after all, it's coming from me, and I'm the ultimate judge on all things Armenian-related." Sorry kid, I don't mean to judge before knowing you too well, but from what I've seen from your posts you're not half the Armenian I am, you're just a child with an overactive imagination who let's his zeal get the best of him which will probably, in the end, be your undoing. Don't f*ck with me pokur akhper jan, I am scary.

[HyeJinx1984]

HyeJinx please define a Anti-Semite? Are Arabs "Anti-Semitic"? By your logic they are since they critisize Israel, now, please explain to me how they can be Anti-Semitic when in fact they are Semites themselves? They must really hate themselves.

Second of all, Armenians have been living in Jerusalem ever since Roman times, but today they are indirectly being "pushed out" of the Armenian querter, so, to assume that Armenians should be grateful towards Jews is a bit inconsistent because Jerusalem has only been under Israeli control for only the past 60 years. IF anything Jews should thank Christians for practically handed over the "holy land" to them not the other way around.

Third of all, I am sure if Jews and Israel had been reduced to a third world country no one on these would give a flying xxxx what happend to them, but because they are the majority of intellectual, political, and economic elite of the U.S., a few Armenians, think by brown nosing they will "get ahead".

Personally, I have nothing against Jews and don't care what happens to Israel, but when they use Armenain issues to progress then that is where I draw line. See it would be one thing if Armenians lobbied on behalf of Arabs, but we don't, however, Jews directly lobby for Turks, thus, the friend of my enemy is my enemy.

You realize that "Jew" and "Israeli" are two different things right? Yes, they are very closely related, but still... Israelis are very different from jews. Being a jew is a religious choice, not a politcal one. Israelis on the other hand I have my issues with. And no, critisizing Israel doesn't make you anti-semetic, however being a blind sided idiot who thinks Jews are inherently the devil's children and must be destroyed before they have us all in chains with whips to our backs DOES. I critisize Jews more than anyone here, BELIEVE ME... but only a RACIST would hate a Jew for being a Jew.

[Virgil]

You realize that "Jew" and "Israeli" are two different things right? Yes, they are very closely related, but still... Israelis are very different from jews. Being a jew is a religious choice, not a politcal one. Israelis on the other hand I have my issues with. And no, critisizing Israel doesn't make you anti-semetic, however being a blind sided idiot who thinks Jews are inherently the devil's children and must be destroyed before they have us all in chains with whips to our backs DOES. I critisize Jews more than anyone here, BELIEVE ME... but only a RACIST would hate a Jew for being a Jew.

HyeJinx, you are right you shouldn't "hate" anyone. I will admit that I somtimes let my emotions get the best of me, but you have to admit at the very end the actions of the Jewish lobby, Israel, and the in general the Jewish population is unethnical.

For instance, the "media" (Jew infested) instead of condeming, focusing on, and critisizing the actions of Chechin terrorist (I.E. recent school seige) they are now blaming President Putin. Now, honestly, think about how ridiculous this is? And we all know that once Chechniya becomes "independent" then most likly it will be another resource source for the U.S., Israel, and Turkey.

My point is that they are directly waging "war" against their enemies. IF you think I am paronoid just read the articles on Chechen terrorist. They make them seem like these "holy" crusaders. They are waging this same propaganda war on Armenians as well by continually labeling our issues with both sides.

Lastly, the reason that I hate using the word "Anti-Semite" is because it eventually will be used on you. IT is a way of censoring any opposition. Arabs and Hebrews are both "semites" to say that one is "Anti-Semite" would be the equivalent of saying he hates himself.

By the way, the actions of Jewish lobby (I.E. Jewish organizations, writers, and intellectual elites) benefits the Jewish population in the end just like the actions of Turks benefits Turks in the end. Really think about this, if tomorrow the Armenian lobby was to deny the holocaust in order to "get in bed" with Germany do you honestly think the Jewish people would not label Armenians as "Anti-Semites"? Of course they will, which is why their actions makes them Anti-Armenian.

[HyeJinx1984]

I agree with you a hundred percent, but the mentality of some Armenians would be for me to go up to my best friend Guy, or my other friends Gil and Ari, point a finger in their face and say "YOU are lobbying against Genocide!" when I know for a fact they've defended the Genocide to nay-sayers before without me even being around to tell them to do so.

Speaking of lobbies, that's the only way to get anything done in America. If you're not a pressure group you can't get anything done. Jews have a very well organized pressure group which is why such a tiny, insignificant country like Israel gets so much help. There's nothing immoral about being in the governments face and saying "Yo, listen to US now." Armenians as a whole need a stronger pressure group... hence, the other thread I made about Ara Abrahamian.

[Virgil]

There's nothing immoral about being in the governments face and saying "Yo, listen to US now."

No, that is not what I was referring to. What I find unethical is how they deny the Genocide in order to further their own goals. This would be the equivalent of Armenian lobbies jumping in bed with Germany by denying the holocaust in order to solidify their bilateral economic relationship. Or it can be the equivalent of Armenians lobbying on behalf of Arabs in order to gain more "rights" in Islamic countries. My point is that in general they are progressing from our decline and thus, what they may be doing is the most benefitial choice, but it not the most ethnical. They shouldn't even be using our genocide as a political tool to fatten their bellies. Furthermore, the way they shove the holocaust in my fave everyday of year is another reason as to why they hypocrits, unethnical, and greedy group of people. How can you push for the genocide, but yet deny the holocaust? To be honest, they are different to a certain extent, but again centralized order of extermination is a centralized order of extermination regardless of the technicalities.

[HyeJinx1984]

True, which is why I don't find Israel to be an honorable nation. However that doesn't change my opinion on Jewish people.