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  • Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

    Saturday, October 7, 2006

    With the church refurbished, the number of tourists to the province will increase, says the provincial culture manager

    ANKARA – Turkish Daily News


    A project to restore the Armenian church on the island of Akdamar in Lake Van is complete, according to reports.

    Cahit Zeydanlı, the owner of the company that restored the church, said the restoration process began in May 2005. The process involved the cleaning of the roof and the frescos and figures inside and outside the church, laying floorboards and putting in windows, he said, noting that they had found 34 rooms in the church during the restoration.

    He said the rooms were cleaned up but were not restored because they weren't included in the project.

    “The restoration was finished on Aug. 30 at a cost of YTL 2.6 million,” said Zeydanlı, noting that five experts supervised the efforts.

    “Right now, we are in the process of refurbishing the environs of the church. We built a pier and walkways on the island. Toilets, guard posts, ticket booths and gift shops were built. We are also building a cafeteria behind the church. These will be complete soon too.”

    He said the church on Akdamar was the second Armenian church he had restored, noting that the Armenian church in Bitlis his company had rebuilt was now being used as a house of worship.

    Zeydanlı said they were aware of the dangers of restoring the church and consequently were in constant contact with the government, Armenian officials in Turkey and around the world. He said an Armenian architect had helped them throughout the process.

    “The church is a registered work of art. That's why it was very important to pay the utmost care on the rehabilitation of the church.”

    He had talked to Prime Minister Recep Tayyip Erdoğan about the church, said Zeydanlı, noting that Erdoğan was very interested in the process. “The past problems between Armenians and Turks are harming the current state of relations. I hope this church will help in finding a common ground. This restoration is the proof that Turkey can handle such projects. The opening ceremony may take place on Nov. 4. We are expecting the prime minister at the ceremony.”



    A tourism boost to the region:

    Van Culture and Tourism Manager İzzet Kütüoğlu said a science board and their bureaus had constantly checked the progress of the restoration process and were pleased with the end result.

    “The number of tourists coming to Van will increase with the completion of this project. There are some groups who want to come even now. However, we don't want anyone here before the restoration is complete.”

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    Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

    Selpak I appreciate your desire to show some positive sign of your country's approach to Armenian culture and art, but rebuilding ancient churches after 80 years of allowing vandalism and lack of upkeep only to improve tourism and by association the economy of the country that is blatantly anti-Armenian is not much of a consolation for us, Armenians.

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      Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

      Originally posted by karoaper
      Selpak I appreciate your desire to show some positive sign of your country's approach to Armenian culture and art, but rebuilding ancient churches after 80 years of allowing vandalism and lack of upkeep only to improve tourism and by association the economy of the country that is blatantly anti-Armenian is not much of a consolation for us, Armenians.

      A drop in the ocean and done for public relations purposes only. The reasoning behind the restoration are transparent.

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        Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

        I don't try to show anything to you. Do you think Turkey can spend 2.6 million lira just for tourism? Tourists are on the mediterian cost where the sun is. Who cares Armenians? It was not for you.

        80 years of allowing vandalism
        How do they allow it? There are tousands of old ruins (included turkish ones) which are not protected by anybody. It is easy to write "karoaper was here" one of them's wall.
        They leave the ruin its own, they used it or they destoryed it for to have some land. It is not about hatred towards any nation. What did you do to turkish buildings? Is there anything that has remained?

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          Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

          Before renovating the rooms, they built "ticket booths, gift shops and a cafeteria behind the church". Yes, not for tourism at all. By any chance, are those gift shops going to sell Turkish coffee mugs with pictures of Akhtamar church on them. I have no doubt that a poster featuring Ataturk will also be sold in the said gift shop.

          The vandalism I spoke of Selpak are a little more sinister in nature than writing "karoaper was here".

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            Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

            Originally posted by karoaper
            Before renovating the rooms, they built "ticket booths, gift shops and a cafeteria behind the church". Yes, not for tourism at all. By any chance, are those gift shops going to sell Turkish coffee mugs with pictures of Akhtamar church on them. I have no doubt that a poster featuring Ataturk will also be sold in the said gift shop.

            The vandalism I spoke of Selpak are a little more sinister in nature than writing "karoaper was here".
            A total PR stunt for the benefit of the EU as if the restortation was done because the kindness of the Turks. They'll probably hang a Turkish flag from the the top of the spire and place a photo of Ataturk in place of an altar.

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              Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

              Originally posted by karoaper
              Selpak I appreciate your desire to show some positive sign of your country's approach to Armenian culture and art, but rebuilding ancient churches after 80 years of allowing vandalism and lack of upkeep only to improve tourism and by association the economy of the country that is blatantly anti-Armenian is not much of a consolation for us, Armenians.
              Personally, I think it is very considerate of Turkey to fix things up before they vacate. Much like any decent renter is expected to do.

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              • #8
                Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

                rebuilding a church for the wrong reasons my friend that xxxxn pisses me off!


                now go rebuild the other 999


                A tourism boost to the region:

                Van Culture and Tourism Manager İzzet Kütüoğlu said a science board and their bureaus had constantly checked the progress of the restoration process and were pleased with the end result.

                “The number of tourists coming to Van will increase with the completion of this project. There are some groups who want to come even now. However, we don't want anyone here before the restoration is complete.”

                i spit on that comment
                Last edited by Ari; 10-13-2006, 09:19 AM.

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                  Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

                  so the church is complete now and theyve missed one thing they didnt put a cross on top of it

                  stupid

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                    Re: Restoration of Armenian church in Van complete

                    I don't know if anybody has been following this, but the renovation process was actually an embarrassment to the art of preserving ancient buildings. They totally xxxxed up the church. It would have more value as a "broken down ruin" rather than whatever the xxxx it is now. I remember seeing a site that broke down how bad the renovation really was, they used the wrong materials for EVERYTHING and didn't even build it following true preservative measures. Theres a difference between rebuilding something and trying to build it for preservation.

                    This is just another stunt by Turkey just so they can say "look, we're not Genocidal, we built back your churches - aren't you thankful?"

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