Ataturk Was Homosexual

[Pazooki]

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Defenceless Armenians ? I think on the other Thread you were talking about you are able to beat Turkish army even with the low number of soldier. Lets assume you are right... I mean we attact defenceless Armenians, so you have to turn your back and ask your achestor soldiers; Where they were during these actions took place ? Did they escape Europe by leaving their women and children behind ? If such an action took place, why all these Hero Armenians didnt start a war against Turkey ? These are all nonsense approaches bro. Try to keep your mind fresh, and read some netural history. You are now being cheated with all these stories as we were in the past.

I am not being cheated. I am only telling you what my grandmother told me from what her sister, who was alive during the Genocide, told her.

Yes, we were defenseless. You took us into your towns. You took our weapons away with lies. You slaughtered us. Btw the war with Azerbaijan was 80 years later so shh.

[Pazooki]

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This is what I said. Also my granmother in Cyprus said that Armenians supported Greek and they raped first and then killed all the Turkish girl and women between 1965-1974. Both were lies.

And on the other hand; for Armenians Turkish historical text says "millet-i emin", means "the nation you can trust". This is the biggest prove that as nation we always love Armenians and you can still see it in todays Turkey. There are many Armenian Newspapers here, more than 70,000 Armenians are living in Turkey today. The difference between you and the Armenians in Turkey are; they dont believe in lies, and they can see it here. But unfortunately you cant see it for today. But I am sure you will understand the truths and our friendship one day.

When that day comes you will be guest in my house and I will welcome you with all my hospitality and friendship.

Last post of the day:

Of course they won't believe in lies. You actually think they are going to talk about the Genocide in a country such as Turkey. Yea execution for them. Tell me why is that? I thought people were alllowed their own opinions.

[Pazooki]

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I don't believe it until I see it.

Is that why Hrant Dink was killed?

You just stated your own question to yourself.

If people were allowed free speech why was Hrant killed?

Retorical question, don't answer back.

I see there is no point in trying to convince you.

But that is good, you have your own opinion.

The bad is that you don't believe in facts that have been proven.

[jgk3]

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The Armenians in Turkey who declare themselves as Armenian can only "function" in Istanbul and perhaps Ankara. They've had very limited political freedoms for the longest time, and were treated as second class citizens when it came to the workforce. Parents would teach their children not to speak Armenian outside of the house because that would hurt their opportunities in the public.

It's no joke, this is how many grandparents felt living in Istanbul until the late 60s and this is why they left.

I don't care if there is this charade of dancing with Armenians now, that's all just a ploy for pleasing the EU. This trend of sympathy towards us only really started this decade and still, has it really changed the job situation for Armenians? I have yet to hear that from Bolsahyes (Armenians from Istanbul). They will always be trapped in there. They can even be rich, but feel trapped. They just can't feel like they belong in your country, and the things Ataturk did to Armenians complimented this end to a great degree. I will not ignore it.

Armenians from Turkey, even MY PARENTS, believe Ataturk was this great modernizer and hero, could I blame them? This is what they learned in school, what they must adhere to in public, by law! It is sickening when you're aware that he only achieved this by making others bleed. Others: Christians living in the Ottoman realm.

I think the whole Ataturk was a homosexual thing is a wonderful way to get at Turkish instantiations of denialism towards factual evidence about political figures and events.

[seruven]

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jgk3,
you are insulting the authors of the current declaration. These people do not need to please EU as you claim. They are already respected people if not in Europe, certainly in Turkey. Not all of the people act according to their benefits, but some acts according to their conscience and beliefs! God, you are even concerned about what would happen if Turkey formally apologizes to Armenia!
There are other things to tell, but I'm in haste.
Yet, wasn't it forbidden to post in obsolete threads?? Recently, I tried to revive a funny thread about sucuk and pastırma, but the mods locked it.

[Shaumian]

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Are you kidding me? Attaturk was a friend to the Armenians?!? What kind of sick, twisted, self-hating "Armenian" are you? Have you read any books regarding the Genocide?


I suggest you research more into the subjects you post on.

Ataturk bore no responsibility for the barbarous policies of the caliphate and the Young Turk clique. It were the Kemalists who courageously against the sultan's rotten regime.

And in the period 1918-20, both Kemalists and progressive forces in Armenia struggled against imperialist aggression. It was in the Ataturk era when relations between Turkey and Armenia were at their friendliest.

[jgk3]

Re: Ataturk Was Homosexual

jgk3,
you are insulting the authors of the current declaration. These people do not need to please EU as you claim. They are already respected people if not in Europe, certainly in Turkey. Not all of the people act according to their benefits, but some acts according to their conscience and beliefs! God, you are even concerned about what would happen if Turkey formally apologizes to Armenia!
There are other things to tell, but I'm in haste.
Yet, wasn't it forbidden to post in obsolete threads?? Recently, I tried to revive a funny thread about sucuk and pastırma, but the mods locked it.

I wasn't aware that a thread you revived had been locked. Sometimes we mods slip up in this revived thread business. I guess to be fair, I can close this one. It's not really discussing anything of fresh relevance and I don't want it to be a platform of tension between pro-Ataturk people and the rest of us.