Armenia's Economic Pulse

[Artashes]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

You live with your fantasy idea of an idealised Armenia if you want. But you seem to forget that it is NOT people like you that the PR firm is intended to market Armenia to (though it is possible that the purpose may not be to actually attract non-Armenian tourists to Armenia - it may just be advertising to give Armenia a more prominant public identity in the wider world).

Take out the business visitors, the diaspora Armenians visiting Armenia, and people coming to engage in practices that are difficult or illegal in their own countries (such as consumption of alchohol, prostitution, gambling, hunting, walking around without a hijab, etc) and what you are left with is a very small and extremely niche-market audience. A market that is so tiny that it is pointless to employ an expensive PR firm to attempt to mass-market advertise it, and an audience that will only diminish with each new state, Church, or mafia-led "revitalization" destruction of its already small stock of historical attractions.

More people live in the San Fernando valley than all of Armenia.
In a world of 7+ (B)illion people, a "very small and extremely niche" market can number in the thousands.
A more prominent public identity can draw yet other "tourists" who are completely unaware of Armenia. Even a small percentage of such is sizable and far from "pointless.
----- an expensive PR firm ------ do you have figures? Expensive compared to?
I used the word "trekker" to indicate a small niche group, and not the general tourist.
Not living in a fantasy at all, on the contrary, my evaluation is based in reality.
If done right, the world can become aware of Armenia and the many wonderful, unique, ancient, and pleasant things Hayastan has to offer the world sightseer.
Artashes

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

More people live in the San Fernando valley than all of Armenia.
In a world of 7+ (B)illion people, a "very small and extremely niche" market can number in the thousands.
A more prominent public identity can draw yet other "tourists" who are completely unaware of Armenia. Even a small percentage of such is sizable and far from "pointless.
----- an expensive PR firm ------ do you have figures? Expensive compared to?
I used the word "trekker" to indicate a small niche group, and not the general tourist.
Not living in a fantasy at all, on the contrary, my evaluation is based in reality.
If done right, the world can become aware of Armenia and the many wonderful, unique, ancient, and pleasant things Hayastan has to offer the world sightseer.
Artashes

You, as usual, completely miss the point. You have no understanding of what would induce people to travel to Armenia as opposed to then going to some other destination that is much easier to visit and full of far more things that are authentic and properly preserved.

....And neither have the criminals that run Armenia and who have commissioned this pr firm. Do they (or you) think that tourists will want to stay in the tasteless casino/brothel/hotels run by Armenia's oligarchs. These oligarchs have a near monopoly of providing hotel accomodation in Armenia. Do you think tourists will want to partake in the whole Armenian mafia experience (stay in a mafia-owned hotel, eat in a mafia-owned reataurant, drink beer or brandy or mineral water from mafia-owned companies, shop in a mafia-owned supermarket, visit the mafia-paid-for Matenaderan extension, light a candle in one of new mafia-sponsored churches, experience the environmental delights of a few Mafia-run open-cast mines complete with devastated forests, poisoned watercourses, and air polution, etc). The things that do make Armenian a unique and authentic place to visit is fast vanishing, in particular its historic monuments that are being destroyed by redevelopment or by "restoration" under the hands of the fascistically fundamentalist Armenian Church.

[Artashes]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

You, as usual, completely miss the point. You have no understanding of what would induce people to travel to Armenia as opposed to then going to some other destination that is much easier to visit and full of far more things that are authentic and properly preserved.

....And neither have the criminals that run Armenia and who have commissioned this pr firm. Do they (or you) think that tourists will want to stay in the tasteless casino/brothel/hotels run by Armenia's oligarchs. These oligarchs have a near monopoly of providing hotel accomodation in Armenia. Do you think tourists will want to partake in the whole Armenian mafia experience (stay in a mafia-owned hotel, eat in a mafia-owned reataurant, drink beer or brandy or mineral water from mafia-owned companies, shop in a mafia-owned supermarket, visit the mafia-paid-for Matenaderan extension, light a candle in one of new mafia-sponsored churches, experience the environmental delights of a few Mafia-run open-cast mines complete with devastated forests, poisoned watercourses, and air polution, etc). The things that do make Armenian a unique and authentic place to visit is fast vanishing, in particular its historic monuments that are being destroyed by redevelopment or by "restoration" under the hands of the fascistically fundamentalist Armenian Church.

None of the Armenians on this forum dought the harm the oligarch class is doing.
To evaluate the ownership of the major hotel chains is to find groups who have hands who are no cleaner than the Armenian oligarch.
We know who the Armenian criminals are. Many of europes wealthiest upon closer inspection are no better. Same for USA, Asia, Malaysia etc.
The privileged by in large are merely "?sophisticated? Thieves".
Your concentrating on only the NEGITIVE and disgusting aspect of Armenia while extolling those who have done far less for world concernes while have extracted far greater resources than the Armenian oligarch, is dishonest.
You speak of Armenian pollution but say nothing about anyone else.
You present only the NEGITIVE in the most offensive terms.
Ya, Armenia is all bad.
I haven't missed the point, you have.
Artashes

[Mher]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

More people live in the San Fernando valley than all of Armenia.
In a world of 7+ Billion people, a "very small and extremely niche" market can number in the thousands.

Exactly, in a country of 3 million people with avg annual income of $5,000 per capita, it doesn't take that many tourists spending thousands of dollars each to make a big impact. As unusual mr. cat in his bourgeoisie tone only points to obscure negatives. Honestly in all my visits to Armenia I've never wondered "oh my goodness, what a travesty, they rebuilt the 90% of this church that the Turks destroying while raping my nation". I was always glad to see such restorations and rarely even bothered to ask how much of the building were the original. And I doubt too many other people care whether what they're looking at is 100% original or 85% original. Normal people just want to experience new places and cultures, and their main priority is basic safety and ease of accommodations, transportation, etc. Considering Armenia is unbelievably safe especially considering its socio economic conditions, I think we're more than half way there. As far as hotels, hello, did you not read the article, the reason hotel accommodations are not highly developed is because of the low demand. Otherwise you can go to very luxurious hotels in Armenia for the same cost as a motel in America.

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

Most none Armenian tourists that I know of normally don't travel just to Armenia but they visit Turkey, Armenia, and Azerbaijan (maybe Georgia as well).....most claim that they had the best time in Armenia and they wanted to visit Artsakh as well (but that is not easy for them due to military zone).
Iranian travelers do this alot because its cheep flight combo deals.

[bell-the-cat]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

Exactly, in a country of 3 million people with avg annual income of $5,000 per capita, it doesn't take that many tourists spending thousands of dollars each to make a big impact. As unusual mr. cat in his bourgeoisie tone only points to obscure negatives. Honestly in all my visits to Armenia I've never wondered "oh my goodness, what a travesty, they rebuilt the 90% of this church that the Turks destroying while raping my nation". I was always glad to see such restorations and rarely even bothered to ask how much of the building were the original. And I doubt too many other people care whether what they're looking at is 100% original or 5% original. Normal people just want to experience new places and cultures, and their main priority is basic safety and ease of accommodations, transportation, etc. Considering Armenia is unbelievably safe especially considering its socio economic conditions, I think we're more than half way there. As far as hotels, hello, did you not read the article, the reason hotel accommodations are not highly developed is because of the low demand. Otherwise you can go to very luxurious hotels in Armenia for the same cost as a motel in America.

The PR firm isn't trying to sell Armenia to Greeks or Armenians or Georgians or Iranians or any of the countries whose values of environmental or cultural conservation match the abject backwardness that is found in Armenia (and that you actually praise ). It is trying to sell Armenia to sophisticated customers in sophisticated nations, to people that know about proper conservation and where it would be illegal to mistreat the environment or historical monuments in the way that they are casually mistreated and destroyed in Armenia. That casual mistreatment and destruction might be seen by most Armenians as entirely acceptable behaviour - but the average German or Frenchman or Briton would look on the "restoration" activities inflicted on Armenia's historical monuments with horror and disgust and would not choose to travel to such a country when they have things on their own doorstep that are a 100 times better (and 100% original, not 5%).
And since when did US motels cost $150 a night?

[Artashes]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

More disingenuous and contemptuous OPINION.
Lopsided NEGITIVE posts like all the above posts on this thread by the armenian basher and the going from thread to thread with OBVIOUS anti Armenian comments is what bell the cat does.
To disrupt virtually every thread.
Again, I ask the staff --- why do you let this continue???
Artashes

[TomServo]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

Because I would hope that the forum administration isn't in the business of policing opinions, even if they are negative ones. Criticism is not anti-Armenian.

[Eddo211]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

Criticism is not anti-Armenian.

In this case it is......there is nothing wrong with constructive criticism.......however the Cat is a anti-Hye

[Artashes]

Re: Armenia's Economic Pulse

Because I would hope that the forum administration isn't in the business of policing opinions, even if they are negative ones. Criticism is not anti-Armenian.

The consistent CONTEMT bell shows for Armenians and Armenia is abundantly clear.
To guise the contempt as legitimate criticism is fraudulent.
Over 3000 posts and you didn't pick that up.
Your defense of your agitating buddy is meritless.