For all the haters

[HayotzAmrotz]

Anyone in this forum who has anything against Artsakhtsis should come out and state it openly and clearly here in this thread.

I want all those hateful individuals and all their supporters. I want all of those motherfukers right here, right now!

C’mon!

P.S. Admin, let me finish my job. Don’t ban me before I’m done with all of them.

[Gevork]

Re: For all the haters

Anyone in this forum who has anything against Artsakhtsis should come out and state it openly and clearly here in this thread.

I want all those hateful individuals and all their supporters. I want all of those motherfukers right here, right now!

C’mon!

P.S. Admin, let me finish my job. Don’t ban me before I’m done with all of them.

Artsakh@ Hayastani marza. vochte ankax NAGORNO KARABAK NAGORONO ruserena karabak turkeren. Artsakh@ piti Hayastani marz lini. Yeravanum karabaxcin asuma yes karabaxci em Hai chem. Yes Artsakhcu het harc chunem baic Karabaxcin tox imana vor Hayastan@ ch lini Nagorno karabak chi lini.

[aray]

Re: For all the haters

Artsakh@ Hayastani marza. vochte ankax NAGORNO KARABAK NAGORONO ruserena karabak turkeren. Artsakh@ piti Hayastani marz lini. Yeravanum karabaxcin asuma yes karabaxci em Hai chem. Yes Artsakhcu het harc chunem baic Karabaxcin tox imana vor Hayastan@ ch lini Nagorno karabak chi lini.

Lezvabanutyunov mi zbakhvi stekh, himary tpavorutyn es tokhnum. Hamadzayn em vor shater@ irants krabakhtsien anvanym, inchpes nayev, shat gyumretsiner irents lennakantsien anvanum. Inch verabervum e vor "asuma en yes karabaxci em Hai chem", da sut e vor@ Levonakan propagandan horinel e qez nman miamit esherin haka-Artsakhtsi darts@nelu hamar.

[Armenian]

Re: For all the haters

Anyone in this forum who has anything against Artsakhtsis should come out and state it openly and clearly here in this thread. I want all those hateful individuals and all their supporters. I want all of those motherfukers right here, right now! C’mon! P.S. Admin, let me finish my job. Don’t ban me before I’m done with all of them.

You are wasting your time if you think you will be able to reason with these filthy demons. These are essentially the off-springs of whores. They only understand the language of the iron fist. I rather see Armenia in the hands of the most ruthless Karabaghtsi than in the hand of these ignorant, Turk loving mentally retarded street punks... Don't explain anything to these demons, screw them all.

[Armenian]

Re: For all the haters

Armenians, wake up!

Do not spare these petty demons involved in Levon Ter-Petrosian's movement. These people are a threat to the very existence of the Armenian nation. They are playing with fire. I pray to God the fire ends up burning them. Do not argue with them, do not debate with them. Simply do what you must do to off-set their evil agenda. Contact your local embasies and express your strong support for the ruling authorities and your wish to see Levon and his street porniks punished severely.

Do not fool yourselves, open your eyes, this struggle is between Artsakh Armenians and Yerevan Armenians over the Armenia's meager economic resources. If these animals in the Levon camp succeed in overthrowing "Karabgahtsiner" from Yerevan all they will do is replace them with Yerevantsi criminals with Yerevan style corruption and oppression. Just looking at the individuals involved, Petrosian, Grzo, Manvel, Arzumanian, etc., it's quite obvious that this movement has nothing to do with democracy, fighting corruption, free elections, ect...

Their evil agenda is simply rooted in severe jealousy and revenge, nothing more. The fact of the matter is, when these demons were ruling in the 90's we saw what they were. Never again. If these people are truly against corrupt "Karabaghtsiner" let them go after the 'individuals' who are corrupt and not mix into this sociopolitical mess the entire population of Artsakh, Artsakh's name, or Artskh's geopolitical status. Nonetheless, a majority of Armenians in and out of Armenia do not support their evil agenda. However, many people simple do not understand the geopolitical/sociopolitical ramifications of this destructive movement. As a result, many of the naive folk are falling victims to their lies and manipulations.

I keep hearing - "but Artsakh is seeking independence, that is treason."

The reason why official Artsakh at times insinuates pursuing independence, dependent of Armenia, is due to regional geopolitics. Theoretically, Stepanakert pursuing independence alone because that is more palatable for international bodies than having Armenia annex Artsakh. Mixing Armenia into the independence factor of Artsakh insinuates, on the international stage, that Armenia is attempting to annex Artsakh for its nationalistic pursuits. An example of this situation is the status of Kosovo. Why did Kosovo not join Albania and choose independence at the encouragement of Washington? Because internationally such a move would be more acceptable.

Besides the great sentimental and psychological importance of Armenian dominance in Artsakh, why is Artsakh's crucially important for the Armenian nation?

1) With its numerous monasteries and archaeological sites, Artsakh is culturally very important to us Armenians.

2) Artsakh is a breadbasket. Large percentage of the territory in question is highly fertile and can feed ten Armenia's. Armenia's arable land is more-or-less confined to the Ararat valley and, agriculturally, the Ararat valley is very stressed.

3) Artsakh has significant deposits of minerals/metals that are crucial for Armenia's economic growth.

4) If the Armenian nation looses Artskah it will loose along with it a significant percentage of the diaspora's most committed Armenians, Armenians who's sole emotional, psychological and physical attachment to Armenia today stems from our historic victory in Artsakh and not the third world style political situation in Yerevan.

5) Sacrificing Artsakh for open borders and trade with Azeris and Turks only means Armenia's eventual enslavement to the Azeri and Turkish economies. Once Armenia become dependent on Azerbaijan and Turkey economically - kiss Armenia goodbye. In such a case, I will personally make every effort to have my children assimilate into their comfortable western existence for I will never look toward an Armenia as a Turkish slave.

6) Artsakh is a strategic territory that gives Armenia geopolitical importance on the international stage. World powers 'only' understand the language of might. Armenia being a tiny landlocked nation within a region like the Caucasus 'cannot' afford to give up a single square millimeter of its territory. As a matter of fact, for Armenia to truly prosper, Armenia need to gradually expand it national holdings. Therefore, instead of thinking about how it will be if we abandon Artsakh - start thinking about how will it be when Armenia gains direct assess to the Black Sea.

If I had to choose between trusting Yerevan in the hands of Russophobe Turkophile gyots of Levon's camp or oppressive and aggressive Artsakh Armenians - I would choose Artsakh Armenians every single time.

And before an idiot reading my commentary says - you have no right to get involved in the internal politics of Armenia if you are not an Armenian citizen living in Armenia; I have two thing to say:

1) Whether you know it or not, whether you want it or not, foreign agents are already deeply involved in these types of movements. Therefore, if you don't want the opinion of diasporan nationalists, just realize that you are already allowing Western and Turkish agents to sow their seeds of destruction in Armenia.

2) What's more, the greater picture is clearer from a distance than when you are stuck in it. Ignorant and/or hungry people cannot be trusted to make the right political decisions for a nation, especially for a nation that has complex geopolitical problems such as Armenia.

[Artandsky]

Re: For all the haters

My forefathers roots coming from Dageti district in Georgia.
My father use to say that Karabachi Armenians were most stubborn and bravest amongst all Armenians, throughout history enemy always had a hard time in suppressing them.

My respect to Karabachi brothers and sisters.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: For all the haters

Either Karabagh is part of Armenia or its not. People fought to secure Karabagh on behalf of Armenia and Armenians. It is why and how the whole conflict began. http://www.nkr.am/eng/news/febr20.htm

Had those that sacrificed themselves for that cause been informed ahead of time that they were fighting for a new independent state, I don't think they would have 'freely' participated.

Rather than divide Armenia's resources any further, Artsakh and its wealth of resources should become part and parcel of Armenia.

The Armenia nation suffered dearly in loss of life, human sacrifice other than death including, but not limited to, further poverty of its people and expense of capital and resources in the fight for Artsakh.

Now, Karabaghis are asking for charity also and relying on Armenia's connection with the diaspora and vice versa to aid it, garner aid for it and insure that the aid continue flowing.

At the same time, they are claiming they are independent.

Independent of what, financial responsibility for their own well-being?

This dispute has long over extended Hayastan but Hayastan and its people have reaped little reward or benefit from any perceived victory.

On the contrary, the nation and its people have been required to carry a welfare territory further diverting funds that could benefit Armenia and its people and directing the same into a precarious, never-ending money pit.

If Karabaghis are Armenians, then let them wave the Armenian flag.

One can only wonder if Robert and Serge are double-dipping.

I do not see how Serge can remove the taint attributed to LTP's administration. He held office in that administration and was permitted to gain political clout during his tenure. He was in LTP's administration in 1996 when LTP purportedly rigged the election. He didn't openly denounce LTP then and step down from office.

Ten years of Robert's rule and rather than show determination that Armenia and the diaspora obtain some return on its investment for funding and supporting the NKR dispute by accessing the purported abundance of raw resources in Artsakh, these two appear to indirectly run a puppet state and sit prominently on a charity that appears to be hell bent on drumming up finances from the diaspora to be used in NKR when Armenian and its people equally have a need for those funds.

My maternal great grandfather was from Martuni.

So I don't want to hear about how I'm hating. I'm just stating.

[Gevork]

Re: For all the haters

Ushadrucun Hayerr!!

yes es marti meki depkeric helnelov porsumei haskanal irakanucun@. bolor tarber arumnerov texekucun ei havakum vor haskania artsuik incha katarvum. Kaskacankov ei untunum amen inch. Te lini Haka ishxanucian te lini haka levonin.

Uremen yerek mi depk patahac vor yes hamuzva ov e chisht ov e sxal. Yes anhatakan martkanc het em xosum internetov te linen Levoni koxmic te linen ishxancian. Irenc karcikner@ harcnelov yev harcer talov porcumei vor uzgai yev haskanai ov e jisht. Yev asem dzez minchev yerek yes en mtkin ei vor ishxanucian mexkne. Baic hima hamuzvac em vor Levoni mexkne. Dzez patmem ays depki masin vor indz berec es hamuzvacucian@

Uremen yerek internetov meki het ei xosum vor@ vor levoni koxmicer. Iren harcnumei te inchu ek levonin uzum asumer vor ishxanucun@ Hai davajane. Hartsri inchu asec vorovhetev karabaxci en. Iren harcri baic karabaxcin el e hai. ink@ asec voch. Asec vor karabaxcin ink@ iren hai chi untunum ail uxaki karabaxci. Yes chei karox iren asei voch du sxales vorov hetev yes hayastanum chem. baic aveli hetazoxeci. Jam@ 6ner im mot yes california em aprum. Uremn Hayastan aravotva 6 kam 7@ piti lini ayo? iren harcri es inchu es aravota 6 in internet mtel? xndalov indz asec gisherva 12ic mtelem. Iren harcri kani tarekanes? ink@ asec 28. Heto harcri ashxatumes? asec voch "hangstanumem" yev xndac. harcri gorc chka? asec vor ka. harcri inch gorc ka? asec banvorakan. banvorakan gorc nshankume amen gorc baci mets busines unenal aysinkn ayo normal gorcer kan. Iren harcri lav aseci ba inchu es boxokum vor aranc ashxatelu aprumes? asec vorovhetev xarabaxcinernen mez ishxum. Iren aseci baic inch kap uni naxagan vortexice karoxe linel Gyumric, kam Loric ink@ asec vor che drank Hai en baic karabaxcin hai chi karabaxcin chi uzum hai linel. Heto iren aseci du ches mtacum vor yete kriv lini hayastanum hai hai dem en martik vor ashxatumen untaniken pahum irenc gorcer@ piti kangni. ink@ indz asav de vor et a petk tox lini gone k prcnenk srancic. Heto iren harcri isk tnic ashxatox ka? asec ha. aseci incha ashxatum henc ays harc@ tvi ink@ helav internetic.

Aysor kapnvelem im barekamneri het hayastanum. Iren harcri karabaxciner@ irenk irenc hai chen hamarum? asumen vor menk hai chenk karabaxci en? Indz asec vor voch ayteps chi. Hai linel ch linelu xntir chi. uxaki karabaxci hayastanci tarberucun. Yev indz asec vor yerevan lik@ karabaxciner kan baic irenc dzerk@ chi irenk chen asum vor menk hai chenk.


Yes aystex hamuzva vor mer Ishxanucun@ chishte. levoni koxminer@ tsuil baradi parap martik en. vor uzumen azg@ bajanel irenc andznakan shaheri hamar. Yev vor karabaxci hayastanci tarberucun ka da shat normal e. Yerevanci gyumreci tarberucun el ka nuin isk berutsi hayatanci parska hai misht el et tarbercuner@ kan joxovurt@ irank iranc mech. Baic yerpek voch mek@ iren chi hamari vor ink@ HAI CHE. baic levoni martik uzumen hamuzel joxovrtin vor karabaxciner@ irenk irenc chen hamarum hai.


NEROX INDZ VOR USH KOMVOROSHVA. UXAKI YES UZUMEI INDZNOV IM SEPAKAN MTKOV KOMVOROSHVEI.


LEVONIN YEV IR BARADI POXAMOL JTERIN PETKE YERKRIC MAKREL

[Artandsky]

Re: For all the haters

[QUOTE=freakyfreaky]Either Karabagh is part of Armenia or its not. People fought to secure Karabagh on behalf of Armenia and Armenians. It is why and how the whole conflict began.

Yes, but how can Karabach be legally connected with the rest of Armenia? I think it will spark international scandal and most probably war on larger scale than just with Azerbychan.

[freakyfreaky]

Re: For all the haters

Well, countries have had commonwealths and the like. For instance, the Bahamas. You know colonial powers of which Armenia is not. Their commonwealths are subordinate to the mother country. Disputes are ultimately resolved by the mother country.

And, Armenia can barely carry itself let alone start colonizing portions of the Caucasus.

As for how it could be legally connected, well perhaps that should have been thought a little better 20 years ago.

There is one road that connects NKR to Hayastan. If you can't protect that, NKR is an island. Armenians have a hard enough time protecting their own island. And, protecting both islands is only going to mean even less for everyone.

As for sparking international scandal and war, Armenia has already had both over this issue. Like, claiming 'independence' has not already caused scandal and threats of final conflict?