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  • #21
    Re: For all the haters

    The #1 hater that needs to be recognized is LTP and his "clan". There is far to much evidence and logic suggesting that this guy could give a rats a** about Haik and all his children. He has a history of self-service and greed. While there is a legitimate concern about addressing poverty and corruption in Armenia, this guy is not about doing that. He just wants to fatten his wallet at any cost. People need to recognize he is spreading hate among Armenians. We are one people, we don't need a bunch of adjectives to describe Armenians from different regions and parts of the world.
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    ANALYSIS-Riots, standoff destabilise Armenia
    Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:02am EST
    By James Kilner

    YEREVAN, March 7 (Reuters) - A political standoff has destabilised Armenia and threatens stability elsewhere in the volatile Caucasus, even though soldiers have restored order in the capital after the worst street violence since independence.

    President Robert Kocharyan declared a state of emergency in Yerevan last Saturday after eight people were killed in clashes between police and protesters who say he rigged a presidential election on Feb. 19.

    Armenia is a Christian state of 3 million people on the edge of the Caucasus, a major energy route from Asia to Europe.

    "Armenia has had a reputation as the most stable country in the region and any sign of instability here is a concern," a Western diplomat said.

    The protesters say the election was rigged against former President Levon Ter-Petrosyan, who accuses Kocharyan and Prime Minister Serzh Sarksyan of nepotism and corruption. Sarksyan was declared the winner with nearly 53 percent of the votes.

    "He opened a Pandora's box of questions which started to resonate with a lot of people," said Svante Carnell of the Institute for Security and Policy Development in Stockholm.

    In Greek legend Pandora, the first woman, opened a box that releases evil and misery on the world.

    Kocharyan and Sarksyan are part of a group that has ruled Armenia for a decade and comes from the disputed border region of Nagorno-Karabakh, which threw off Azeri rule during a war in the 1990s.

    Witnesses at rallies say Ter-Petrosyan has whipped up anti-Karabakh sentiment to present the government as greedy outsiders, a tactic that political analysts say stokes tensions.

    Badges handed out at election rallies declared: "I'm a true Armenian". In interviews Ter-Petrosyan alluded to the government as "Tartar-Mongols", who in Armenian stories are portrayed as clan-based Muslim invaders.
    "This is a dangerous tactic which could divide Armenians further and lead to more violence," Alexander Iskandaryan, head of the Yerevan-based Caucasus Media Institute, said.




    DISSENTERS

    The government says the 20-day state of emergency, banning demonstrations and censoring media, is needed to restore stability, hunt for illegal weapons and counter coup plots.

    Opponents say the government is abusing its powers to crush dissent and have vowed to resume the daily protests which had regularly attracted 20,000 people since the election, in which Ter-Petrosyan won only 21.5 percent of the votes.

    Outside Yerevan's central market, labourers are knocking together shelves in a supermarket looted on Saturday. Dozens of protesters and police are recovering in hospitals.

    Mediators from the United States and Europe are trying to bring the sides together but neither has agreed to negotiate.

    "There's a chance that the events of Saturday radicalised and polarised the people and there's also a chance of further street protests," Iskandaryan said.

    Support from the army is vital for Kocharyan and Sarksyan, political analysts say. The army has been loyal to the government but its support is not guaranteed.

    Any uncertainty could dent foreign investment to Armenia which last year hit about $600 million, much of it in the construction and telecommunications sectors.

    Despite Armenia's rugged terrain, lack of natural resources and closed borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan, its economy grew in the last decade, helped by remittances from a huge Armenian diaspora. More Armenians live outside the country than in it.

    In 2007, Armenia's economy grew by nearly 14 percent to around $10 billion and Armenia has an average income per person similar to Egypt or Albania.

    But many people, especially in Yerevan, blame the government for the large gap between rich and poor, inflation and high unemployment. One in four Armenians lives in poverty.

    Any leadership weakness in Yerevan could unsettle the fragile peace with Azerbaijan, which said 12 Armenians and four Azeri soldiers died in clashes in Nagorno-Karabakh this week.

    "An unstable Armenia is a big problem and threatens to upset the whole region," Iskandaryan said. "This is a small region where all the countries and peoples are interwoven."

    It could also impact Georgia and Azerbaijan, which host a pipeline that pumps 1 million barrels a day of oil from the Caspian Sea to the West, a major energy source for Europe.

    Instability could spill over into border areas of Georgia where thousands of Armenians live.

    Georgia also imposed a state of emergency in November after police crushed protests. Azerbaijan holds an election later this year which could prompt demonstrations. (Editing by Timothy Heritage)
    http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSL06272549
    Last edited by gmd; 03-07-2008, 11:51 AM.

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    • #22
      Re: For all the haters

      Please read the section on how LTP is describing other Armenians. To me this is a disgusting display. How can any one, especially Armenians, support this kind of hateful msg.

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      • #23
        Re: For all the haters

        Poor Andranik, a true patriot, god only knows if he died of a broken heart.

        You neglected to take in to account population.

        If NKR is an independent state, then where are they seated at the negotiations table?
        Between childhood, boyhood,
        adolescence
        & manhood (maturity) there
        should be sharp lines drawn w/
        Tests, deaths, feats, rites
        stories, songs & judgements

        - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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        • #24
          Re: For all the haters

          Originally posted by freakyfreaky View Post
          Poor Andranik, a true patriot, god only knows if he died of a broken heart.

          You neglected to take in to account population.

          If NKR is an independent state, then where are they seated at the negotiations table?
          When you turn in to an Hay and understand the things that are going ther you will be ready to talk about artsakh. And keep your Artsakh hating BS to yourself

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          • #25
            Re: For all the haters

            Originally posted by Armenian View Post
            Armenians, wake up!

            Do not spare these petty demons involved in Levon Ter-Petrosian's movement.
            ....
            ROFLMAO! From conspiracy theories to sorcery!!!!! Hello the Middle Ages!
            I don't know if "laughable" is the word or "scary???"

            P.S. I particularly "appreciate" the (bling-bling) touch i.e. the large red bold font!
            What if I find someone else when looking for you? My soul shivers as the idea invades my mind.

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            • #26
              Re: For all the haters

              Apres gmd. Welcome back. I hope all is well with you and your family.

              Originally posted by gmd View Post
              The #1 hater that needs to be recognized is LTP and his "clan". There is far to much evidence and logic suggesting that this guy could give a rats a** about Haik and all his children. He has a history of self-service and greed. While there is a legitimate concern about addressing poverty and corruption in Armenia, this guy is not about doing that. He just wants to fatten his wallet at any cost. People need to recognize he is spreading hate among Armenians. We are one people, we don't need a bunch of adjectives to describe Armenians from different regions and parts of the world.
              ================================================== ====
              ANALYSIS-Riots, standoff destabilise Armenia
              Fri Mar 7, 2008 8:02am EST
              By James Kilner

              YEREVAN, March 7 (Reuters) - A political standoff has destabilised Armenia and threatens stability elsewhere in the volatile Caucasus, even though soldiers have restored order in the capital after the worst street violence since independence.

              President Robert Kocharyan declared a state of emergency in Yerevan last Saturday after eight people were killed in clashes between police and protesters who say he rigged a presidential election on Feb. 19.

              Armenia is a Christian state of 3 million people on the edge of the Caucasus, a major energy route from Asia to Europe.

              "Armenia has had a reputation as the most stable country in the region and any sign of instability here is a concern," a Western diplomat said.

              The protesters say the election was rigged against former President Levon Ter-Petrosyan, who accuses Kocharyan and Prime Minister Serzh Sarksyan of nepotism and corruption. Sarksyan was declared the winner with nearly 53 percent of the votes.

              "He opened a Pandora's box of questions which started to resonate with a lot of people," said Svante Carnell of the Institute for Security and Policy Development in Stockholm.

              In Greek legend Pandora, the first woman, opened a box that releases evil and misery on the world.

              Kocharyan and Sarksyan are part of a group that has ruled Armenia for a decade and comes from the disputed border region of Nagorno-Karabakh, which threw off Azeri rule during a war in the 1990s.

              Witnesses at rallies say Ter-Petrosyan has whipped up anti-Karabakh sentiment to present the government as greedy outsiders, a tactic that political analysts say stokes tensions.

              Badges handed out at election rallies declared: "I'm a true Armenian". In interviews Ter-Petrosyan alluded to the government as "Tartar-Mongols", who in Armenian stories are portrayed as clan-based Muslim invaders.
              "This is a dangerous tactic which could divide Armenians further and lead to more violence," Alexander Iskandaryan, head of the Yerevan-based Caucasus Media Institute, said.




              DISSENTERS

              The government says the 20-day state of emergency, banning demonstrations and censoring media, is needed to restore stability, hunt for illegal weapons and counter coup plots.

              Opponents say the government is abusing its powers to crush dissent and have vowed to resume the daily protests which had regularly attracted 20,000 people since the election, in which Ter-Petrosyan won only 21.5 percent of the votes.

              Outside Yerevan's central market, labourers are knocking together shelves in a supermarket looted on Saturday. Dozens of protesters and police are recovering in hospitals.

              Mediators from the United States and Europe are trying to bring the sides together but neither has agreed to negotiate.

              "There's a chance that the events of Saturday radicalised and polarised the people and there's also a chance of further street protests," Iskandaryan said.

              Support from the army is vital for Kocharyan and Sarksyan, political analysts say. The army has been loyal to the government but its support is not guaranteed.

              Any uncertainty could dent foreign investment to Armenia which last year hit about $600 million, much of it in the construction and telecommunications sectors.

              Despite Armenia's rugged terrain, lack of natural resources and closed borders with Turkey and Azerbaijan, its economy grew in the last decade, helped by remittances from a huge Armenian diaspora. More Armenians live outside the country than in it.

              In 2007, Armenia's economy grew by nearly 14 percent to around $10 billion and Armenia has an average income per person similar to Egypt or Albania.

              But many people, especially in Yerevan, blame the government for the large gap between rich and poor, inflation and high unemployment. One in four Armenians lives in poverty.

              Any leadership weakness in Yerevan could unsettle the fragile peace with Azerbaijan, which said 12 Armenians and four Azeri soldiers died in clashes in Nagorno-Karabakh this week.

              "An unstable Armenia is a big problem and threatens to upset the whole region," Iskandaryan said. "This is a small region where all the countries and peoples are interwoven."

              It could also impact Georgia and Azerbaijan, which host a pipeline that pumps 1 million barrels a day of oil from the Caspian Sea to the West, a major energy source for Europe.

              Instability could spill over into border areas of Georgia where thousands of Armenians live.

              Georgia also imposed a state of emergency in November after police crushed protests. Azerbaijan holds an election later this year which could prompt demonstrations. (Editing by Timothy Heritage)
              http://www.reuters.com/article/lates.../idUSL06272549
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              • #27
                Re: For all the haters

                Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
                ROFLMAO! From conspiracy theories to sorcery!!!!! Hello the Middle Ages!
                I don't know if "laughable" is the word or "scary???"

                P.S. I particularly "appreciate" the (bling-bling) touch i.e. the large red bold font!
                Scary, definitely scary.
                Between childhood, boyhood,
                adolescence
                & manhood (maturity) there
                should be sharp lines drawn w/
                Tests, deaths, feats, rites
                stories, songs & judgements

                - Morrison, Jim. Wilderness, vol. 1, p. 22

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                • #28
                  Re: For all the haters

                  During the time of the first independent Armenia, the Eastern Armenians thought just like you (no foresight or sense of history). They did not want to fight the Turks to save Western Armenia and here we are, a landlocked nation that needs the Russian big brother for survival.

                  That is only part of the tale. Many Armenians in the ottoman empire believed the turks and were not really wanting to fight for independence. In fact most Armenians of the ottoman empire didn't support the various nationalist and revolutionary parties such as the ARF. The blame can go around but in the end many sides were manupliated for the purposes of "global powers", and time and again they have done this to various nations.
                  For the first time in more than 600 years, Armenia is free and independent, and we are therefore obligated
                  to place our national interests ahead of our personal gains or aspirations.



                  http://www.armenianhighland.com/main.html

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                  • #29
                    Re: For all the haters

                    Originally posted by Siamanto View Post
                    ROFLMAO! From conspiracy theories to sorcery!!!!! Hello the Middle Ages!
                    I don't know if "laughable" is the word or "scary???"

                    P.S. I particularly "appreciate" the (bling-bling) touch i.e. the large red bold font!
                    You know what I would "appreciate", if you stopped camping Armenian's post. If you have something intelligent to say, explain or else shut your mouth. Stop attacking him when in fact you have neither expressed your opinions on the regime change nor have any clue what the hell the "other side" represent and advocates.

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                    • #30
                      Re: For all the haters

                      Originally posted by James Kilner
                      Witnesses at rallies say Ter-Petrosyan has whipped up anti-Karabakh sentiment to present the government as greedy outsiders, a tactic that political analysts say stokes tensions.

                      Badges handed out at election rallies declared: "I'm a true Armenian". In interviews Ter-Petrosyan alluded to the government as "Tartar-Mongols", who in Armenian stories are portrayed as clan-based Muslim invaders.
                      "This is a dangerous tactic which could divide Armenians further and lead to more violence," Alexander Iskandaryan, head of the Yerevan-based Caucasus Media Institute, said.
                      Any individual that thinks they can "eat LTP's hand" and "control him" are only kidding themselves, the reality is that it is this kind of trash that is dividing and spiliting Armenian interests. If you honestly think you can get away with any grandiouse plot of "coup" and "counter-coup", you are playing a dangerous game, you can't ask Armenian's to give concession if the demographics views Artsakh as a extension of the Armenian state. Therefore, outside (whoever they may be) forces are trying to make it a point that there exists two interests, two people, when in fact there exists only one interest. Extrapolate this over a period of time and you will see that the only way to break through the defenses of Artsakh is by influencing the public opinion in Armenia to abandon Artsakh, this is the larger "agenda" that will rear its head in the future. Militarly there exists no way to penetrate Artsakh. The mountain passes are narrrow not allow large troop movement, so essentially, you are looking at a scenario like the Thermopylae. In additoin, in terms of military manpower and resources, it takes more manpower and resources to penetrate a defensive position versus defending against a offensive attack. The only way you are going to see Artsakh lost is if Armenians sign it away.
                      Last edited by Virgil; 03-10-2008, 12:00 AM.

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