Armenia in the EU?

[Mos]

Very interesting article, a little length but worth reading. Personally, I think it would be great if Armenian joined the EU. It would help our economy, bring peace and stability, and probably modernize our country faster. Even though geographically we are not exactly in Europe, our society in Armenia reflects many European elements. Turkey in the EU will help Armenia a lot too with their current situation and possible EU integration.

http://www.libertas-institut.com/de/...e%20portas.pdf

[lampron]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

The report claims that the Nagorny Karabakh problem is an obstacle. By contrast the Kosovo problem is said to be no obstacle for Balkan states. The EU has opposed Karabakh's right to self determination. If you join the EU you have to follow whatever they dictate. Economically it is attractive, but the benefits could take many years to materialize. The EU wants to drive a corridor from the Balkans to Turkey to the Caspian in order to isolate Russia

[Armanen]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

f**k the nwo outlet, otherwise known as the the eu.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

f**k the nwo outlet, otherwise known as the the eu.

why? the only reason one might say that is if one does not want Armenia to have a better economy and social standing. You rather rely and trust the Russians who helped Azerbaijan in the Karabakh war, will easily use us for their personal gains, and were the ones that awarded Karabakh to the Azeris. Eu will give us peace and stability like it has given so many countries.

[Armanen]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

First learn about the nwo and then talk to me, 2nd I am for Armenians relying on one another and being pro Armenia. If Russia will help us in our national interests then we should work with them, same goes with any country that can be useful to us. Since Armenia is still a small, landlocked, resourcless nation with 2 genocidal neighbors we have to be very pragmatic and can't be as demanding as we'd all like to be.

[Armenian]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

why? the only reason one might say that is if one does not want Armenia to have a better economy and social standing. You rather rely and trust the Russians who helped Azerbaijan in the Karabakh war, will easily use us for their personal gains, and were the ones that awarded Karabakh to the Azeris. Eu will give us peace and stability like it has given so many countries.

Mos jan, when the Artsakh war was going on you were not even born yet. So put aside what you may have heard from your parents and try to be objective in our political assessments.

I have no illusions about Russia and the risk with us Armenians being too closely associated Russia... Having said that, the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation operate in two different geopolitical realities. Let's not confuse the two. Russia did 'not' help Azerbaijan, the 'Soviet Union' helped Azerbaijan. And they did so because they were concerned about the Soviet Union collapsing as a result of serious ethnic clashes. Soon after the Soviet Union did collapsed, however, "Russia" began helping the Armenians. In the post Soviet world, Russia clearly saw the importance of having Armenia in the Caucasus as a bulwark against Turks and NATO. Also, it was the "Bolsheviks" that gave Artsakh and Nakhijevan to the Azeris, and parts of Western Armenia to the Turks. Bolshevism was a non-Russian movement. Bolshevism was actually organized in the West, primarily by Jews, as a means to destroy the Russian Empire and the Russian Orthodox Church.

Nonetheless, when the EU, USA and Israel were intimately dealing with Azeris over Caspian Sea gas/oil, "Russia" was supplying us with over a billion dollars worth of modern arms, cheap gas and cheep nuclear fuel. When NATO member Turkey was getting ready to invade Armenia in 1993, the EU was silent, it was "Russia" that threated Turks with a World War Three if they invaded Armenia. And ask yourself this question as well: has being in the EU helped Cyprus or Greece in dealing with the Turks?

Do you know why when it comes to Armenian issues I trust Russia more than I trust the EU or the US? It's because Russia benefits from its close relations with Armenia while the West benefits with its close relations with the regional Turks and Azeris. It's in Russia's political interests to have good relations with Armenia. For Russia, Armenia is a buffer against Turks, Iranians and NATO in the Caucasus. Because Armenia is a tiny, impoverished, landlocked resource-less nation, it's in the West's political interest to have good relations with Azeris and Turks. For the West, Armenia is an obstacle that gets in the way of their financial dealing with Turks and Azeris.

Nonetheless, talk of EU membership for Armenia is unrealistic, at best. Such talk is merely used as a political tool by the West. The reality is, the Caucasus region is too problematic for European taste. Moreover, the region has strong Russian as well as Turkish and Iranian factors at play. Such factors will never allow such a plan to materialize - even if Europeans were serious about it.

Forget the EU, forget the US, forget the UN, we need to look forward to establishing an new economic/political union with Russians and Iranians, a union that fits our national interest.

[Mos]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

Mos jan, when the Artsakh war was going on you were not even born yet. So put aside what you may have heard from your parents and try to be objective in our political assessments.

I have no illusions about Russia and the risk with us Armenians being too closely associated Russia... Having said that, the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation operate in two different geopolitical realities. Let's not confuse the two. Russia did 'not' help Azerbaijan, the 'Soviet Union' helped Azerbaijan. And they did so because they were concerned about the Soviet Union collapsing as a result of serious ethnic clashes. Soon after the Soviet Union did collapsed, however, "Russia" began helping the Armenians. In the post Soviet world, Russia clearly saw the importance of having Armenia in the Caucasus as a bulwark against Turks and NATO. Also, it was the "Bolsheviks" that gave Artsakh and Nakhijevan to the Azeris, and parts of Western Armenia to the Turks. Bolshevism was a non-Russian movement. Bolshevism was actually organized in the West, primarily by Jews, as a means to destroy the Russian Empire and the Russian Orthodox Church.

Nonetheless, when the EU, USA and Israel were intimately dealing with Azeris over Caspian Sea gas/oil, "Russia" was supplying us with over a billion dollars worth of modern arms, cheap gas and cheep nuclear fuel. When NATO member Turkey was getting ready to invade Armenia in 1993, the EU was silent, it was "Russia" that threated Turks with a World War Three if they invaded Armenia. And ask yourself this question as well: has being in the EU helped Cyprus or Greece in dealing with the Turks?

Do you know why when it comes to Armenian issues I trust Russia more than I trust the EU or the US? It's because Russia benefits from its close relations with Armenia while the West benefits with its close relations with the regional Turks and Azeris. It's in Russia's political interests to have good relations with Armenia. For Russia, Armenia is a buffer against Turks, Iranians and NATO in the Caucasus. Because Armenia is a tiny, impoverished, landlocked resource-less nation, it's in the West's political interest to have good relations with Azeris and Turks. For the West, Armenia is an obstacle that gets in the way of their financial dealing with Turks and Azeris.

Nonetheless, talk of EU membership for Armenia is unrealistic, at best. Such talk is merely used as a political tool by the West. The reality is, the Caucasus region is too problematic for European taste. Moreover, the region has strong Russian as well as Turkish and Iranian factors at play. Such factors will never allow such a plan to materialize - even if Europeans were serious about it.

Forget the EU, forget the US, forget the UN, we need to look forward to establishing an new economic/political union with Russians and Iranians, a union that fits our national interest.

I think Russia has provided a substantial amount of help for us, but have only done it for their personal gain. During the Karabakh war (especially during the begining) they helped both sides with mercaneries and weapons so it's not like they have always been on our side. I bet if they found better opportunities in helping the Azeris they would do it in a heart beat and leave us behind. I am not saying that we should become pro 'Western', but on the other hand not to be too reliant on Russia and have our options open. The EU's requirements for Turkey's membership has been great help for the Armenians since it pretty much requires Turkey to recognize the genocide and maintain better relations with Armenia. Turkey will then have to choose if they want the EU or they want to keep lying like a**holes. It might be a good idea to join the EU for us, but there also may be negative consequences it's impossible to tell. But it is important for us to realize that countries will easily use us for their personal gains, and won't give a rats a** if our country is wiped of the map the next day. We have to always see what our best options are and try not to be to overly reliant on one country.

ps in Russia they are very unfriendly to Armenians, I have heard of many instances where Armenian specifically have been killed, tortured, and abused by Russian skin heads. Russians have helped us throughout history, but by now means I would classify them as having been loyal friends. (e.g. putting Armenians in the front row of units during WWII)

[Siamanto]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

Mos jan, when the Artsakh war was going on you were not even born yet. So put aside what you may have heard from your parents and try to be objective in our political assessments.

I have no illusions about Russia and the risk with us Armenians being too closely associated Russia... Having said that, the Soviet Union and the Russian Federation operate in two different geopolitical realities. Let's not confuse the two. Russia did 'not' help Azerbaijan, the 'Soviet Union' helped Azerbaijan. And they did so because they were concerned about the Soviet Union collapsing as a result of serious ethnic clashes. Soon after the Soviet Union did collapsed, however, "Russia" began helping the Armenians. In the post Soviet world, Russia clearly saw the importance of having Armenia in the Caucasus as a bulwark against Turks and NATO. Also, it was the "Bolsheviks" that gave Artsakh and Nakhijevan to the Azeris, and parts of Western Armenia to the Turks. Bolshevism was a non-Russian movement. Bolshevism was actually organized in the West, primarily by Jews, as a means to destroy the Russian Empire and the Russian Orthodox Church.

Nonetheless, when the EU, USA and Israel were intimately dealing with Azeris over Caspian Sea gas/oil, "Russia" was supplying us with over a billion dollars worth of modern arms, cheap gas and cheep nuclear fuel. When NATO member Turkey was getting ready to invade Armenia in 1993, the EU was silent, it was "Russia" that threated Turks with a World War Three if they invaded Armenia. And ask yourself this question as well: has being in the EU helped Cyprus or Greece in dealing with the Turks?

Do you know why when it comes to Armenian issues I trust Russia more than I trust the EU or the US? It's because Russia benefits from its close relations with Armenia while the West benefits with its close relations with the regional Turks and Azeris. It's in Russia's political interests to have good relations with Armenia. For Russia, Armenia is a buffer against Turks, Iranians and NATO in the Caucasus. Because Armenia is a tiny, impoverished, landlocked resource-less nation, it's in the West's political interest to have good relations with Azeris and Turks. For the West, Armenia is an obstacle that gets in the way of their financial dealing with Turks and Azeris.

Nonetheless, talk of EU membership for Armenia is unrealistic, at best. Such talk is merely used as a political tool by the West. The reality is, the Caucasus region is too problematic for European taste. Moreover, the region has strong Russian as well as Turkish and Iranian factors at play. Such factors will never allow such a plan to materialize - even if Europeans were serious about it.

Forget the EU, forget the US, forget the UN, we need to look forward to establishing an new economic/political union with Russians and Iranians, a union that fits our national interest.

It is a shame that I seldom read your posts as they have the virtue to make me laugh.
I think that you should post more often in the "Jokes & Humor" section, as your posts are amusingly confused; however I appreciate the humor in the fact that you seem to enjoy posting - probably, with some naive pride - in the "Intellectual Lounge" Is it part of the joke????

I sincerely wonder if you lack the knowledge and intellectual means, or you're simply ripe for a mental institution???

[Armanen]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

It might be a good idea to join the EU for us, but there also may be negative consequences it's impossible to tell. But it is important for us to realize that countries will easily use us for their personal gains, and won't give a rats a** if our country is wiped of the map the next day. We have to always see what our best options are and try not to be to overly reliant on one country.

Every nation looks after its interests first, therefore when it fits with their foreign policy objectives nations will act together, other times they will be foes. As Armenian pointed out the eu and western organizations haven't done much for Armenia, certainly not more than Russia. Once again, Armenia should work with all nations and organizations that further our foreign policy, as of today Russia is on that list.

[Federation]

Re: Armenia in the EU?

Forget the EU, forget the US, forget the UN, we need to look forward to establishing an new economic/political union with Russians and Iranians, a union that fits our national interest.

I agree. Armenia should look to Russia and Iran as economic parthners, and not the West.

What is your view on the issue of Armenia's accession to the Russian-Belarus Union. Talk of it has died down over the years, but it seems to popping up again. Or, what sort of political union with Russia would you like to see Armenia?