Armenia and the information war

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"The Armenian president seems to have forgotten what happened to Saddam Hussein who also turned his back on reality when he went to occupy Kuwait. Everyone knows what became of that warrior," the spokesman said.

"Today the world has no other point of view than recognition of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan and this is just a matter of time. Therefore, the Armenian leadership should better prepare its people and the diaspora for the inevitable. As for the right to self-determination, the Azerbaijani side stated and states that it recognizes the right of the Azerbaijani and Armenian population of Nagorno-Karabakh to self-determination within the framework of the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan which complies with the norms of international law," Polukhov said.

Day.Az

this guy doesnt even know what hes talking about

Everyone knows that international laws that applied to Kosovo will inevitably apply to Karabakh as well. It's only a matter of time. The Azerbaijani side only state and states that Armenians are enemies of Azerbaijan and the same rights as Nakhichevan Armenians will be applied to Karabakh Armenians if pigs start to fly and Artsakh becomes occupied by Azerbaijan once again.

[ninetoyadome]

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azeris are trying to prevent the showing of "A Story of People in War and Peace" calling it proArmenian. It was ok to show the BS about there claims on Karabakh in Germany but its not ok to show this?

Azerbaijanis protest over broadcasting of proarmenian documentary in US
Wed 20 October 2010 08:25 GMT | 1:25 Local Time
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US Azerbaijanis send letter of protest to PBS over the scheduled broadcasting of "A story of people in war and peace".
The letter reads:

Dear Mr. Getler and PBS Management,

As representatives of Azeri-American community and taxpayers, we are extremely disturbed to have learned that on October 24, 2010, the PBS is planning to air an Armenian-made documentary called "A Story of People in War and Peace". Authored by Vardan Hovhannisyan, this documentary about the Armenian-Azerbaijani conflict around the Nagorno-Karabakh region would present a rather perverted interpretation of controversial history to the PBS viewer.

The documentary misrepresents the bitter Nagorno-Karabakh conflict as that of a freedom fight of Armenians in Karabakh against Azerbaijan. Yet the documentary omits the facts that from 1991 to 1994, Armenian forces invaded and occupied Nagorno-Karabakh and seven surrounding regions of Azerbaijan, ethnically cleansing over 800,000 Azeri civilians and leaving 30,000 dead. Since the ceasefire in 1994, Armenian forces occupy over 16% of internationally recognized (including by the United States) territory of Azerbaijan and hundreds of thousands of Azeris are unable to return to their homes.

Furthermore, speaking of war and peace, the documentary sidelines the worst war crime of the conflict to date. On the night of February 25-26, 1992, Armenian "freedom fighters" with support of Russian military personnel attacked the Azeri-populated town of Khojali, brutally torturing and massacring over 613 fleeing civilians among them 106 women and 83 children. Speaking of this act, then military commander and now president of Armenia, Serzh Sarkissian, said: "Before Khojali, the Azerbaijanis thought that they were joking with us, they thought that the Armenians were people who could not raise their hand against the civilian population. We were able to break that [stereotype]." (Thomas de Waal, "Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan through peace and war", NYU Press, 2003).

Since 1993, four UN Security Council resolutions (#822, 853, 874, 884) and several General Assembly resolutions condemned the Armenian occupation and called for the immediate and unconditional withdrawal of Armenian forces from the occupied territories of Azerbaijan, creating conditions for the return of refugees and a peaceful resolution of conflict. Yet driven by obsessive thoughts of ethnic superiority and intolerance, irredentist ideas of creating "Greater Armenia", historical revisionism and genocidal intentions against Azerbaijani heritage, Republic of Armenia and its "freedom fighters" in the occupied Karabakh are yet to listen to these international demands.

As PBS is a publicly funded service based on taxpayer contributions, we appeal for your common sense to cancel the broadcast of this documentary. We respect the freedom of information as a fundamental constitutional right, but airing of this documentary would be a severe disservice and an insult to intelligence of PBS viewer in favor of a limited interest group. This broadcast would serve as a disrespect to the memory of over 30,000 Azeris and Armenians who perished in this conflict and an added insult to hundreds of thousands of Azerbaijani internally displaced people (IDPs) who are unable to return to their homes, many of them continuing to suffer in refugee camps.

Sincerely,

Board Directors of

Azerbaijani-American Council (AAC) and Azerbaijan Society of America (ASA).

News.Az

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azeris are trying to prevent the showing of "A Story of People in War and Peace" calling it proArmenian. It was ok to show the BS about there claims on Karabakh in Germany but its not ok to show this?

This is worriesome. Even if Azeri-Americans are disorganised as sh!t, this must not alter PBS's decision. We might need to counter this one by sending in "Thank you, PBS" mail, folks.

[ninetoyadome]

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This is worriesome. Even if Azeri-Americans are disorganised as sh!t, this must not alter PBS's decision. We might need to counter this one by sending in "Thank you, PBS" mail, folks.

i dont think they will. they have and keep showing the story about the Armenian Genocide and i know for sure the Turkish govt, diaspora have complained about it. but to be on the safe side maybe we should send letters.

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Azeri army’s might and bankruptcy


October 21, 2010 | 12:58
President of Azerbaijan Ilham Aliev does not miss a chance to remind all and sundry of the imaginary might of the Azerbaijani army, while the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan fails to honor its commitments to the leading international companies.

Even the country’s judicial system had to admit the outrageous fact.

The Baku Economic Court completed the hearing of the claim lodged one of the largest Japanese companies, “Pioneer”, against the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan. The Azeri mass media report that the court allowed the Japanese company’s claim. The Japanese company and the Azerbaijani defense office signed a contract. After the company executed the contract, it stated the Azeri defense office did not pay off its debt, 100,000 manats (U.S. $120,000) indicated in the claim.

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http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/society/news/55592/Russian_encyclopedia_mentions_Armenian_and_Azerbaijani_languages_as_primary_in_Armenia

Russian encyclopedia mentions Armenian and Azerbaijani languages as primary in Armenia

PanARMENIAN.Net - Armenian journalists addressed an open letter to the editors of the Big Illustrated Geography Encyclopedia with a request to revise the information printed in the book.

“The encyclopedia which is sold in Armenian bookstores says that Armenian and Azerbaijani languages are primary in Armenia while the religions are Orthodox and Islam (Shiite). Moreover, it says that Artsakh is mentioned as ‘historical territory of Azerbaijan, mostly inhabited by Armenians,” Ankakh magazine editor Varduhi Ishkhanyan said.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/society/news/55592/Russian_encyclopedia_mentions_Armenian_and_Azerbaijani_languages_as_primary_in_Armenia

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Speaking of this act, then military commander and now president of Armenia, Serzh Sarkissian, said: "Before Khojali, the Azerbaijanis thought that they were joking with us, they thought that the Armenians were people who could not raise their hand against the civilian population. We were able to break that [stereotype]." (Thomas de Waal, "Black Garden: Armenia and Azerbaijan through peace and war", NYU Press, 2003).

Though I don't have the book to hand to give the exact wording, I am certain that those are not the words used, the "quote" has been altered and distorted. I think you will find that the words "civilian population" are not used.
The essence of the original quote is actually saying that until Khojali the Azeris thought the Armenians incapable of acting like Azeris. The overblown Azeri propaganda about Khojali actually benefitted the Armenian forces. It might be one for the reasons the population of Aghdam so readily ran away.

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Though I don't have the book to hand to give the exact wording, I am certain that those are not the words used, the "quote" has been altered and distorted. I think you will find that the words "civilian population" are not used.
The essence of the original quote is actually saying that until Khojali the Azeris thought the Armenians incapable of acting like Azeris. The overblown Azeri propaganda about Khojali actually benefitted the Armenian forces. It might be one for the reasons the population of Aghdam so readily ran away.

i have the book on pdf if you want it.
here is the quote from the book:

But I think the main point is something different. Before Khojali, the Azerbaijanis thought that they were joking with us, they thought that the Armenians were people who could not raise their hand against the civilian population. We were able to break that [stereotype]. And that’s what happened. And we should also take into account that amongst those boys were people who had fled from Baku and Sumgait.

its very vague thou, it does not state whether Armenians killed Azeris or not. It could even mean Armenians attacked the city even though there was a civilian population there forcing them to flee. Like Thomas De Waal states Azeris were using Khojaly to launch missiles at Stepanakert and other cities which contained only civilians. Like you said its just azeri propaganda.

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i have the book on pdf if you want it.
here is the quote from the book:

Is de Waal getting that quote from another source (which may mean there is another version, which might be the one I am remembering) or is it something de Waal himself heard being said?

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Is de Waal getting that quote from another source (which may mean there is another version, which might be the one I am remembering) or is it something de Waal himself heard being said?

If he did he doesnt site where he got it from. Here is the whole paragraph:

Asked about the taking of Khojali, the Armenian military leader Serzh Sarkisian said carefully, “We don’t speak loudly about these things.” “A lot was exaggerated” in the casualties, and the fleeing Azerbaijanis had put up armed resistance, he claimed. Sarkisian’s summation of what had happened, however, was more honest and more brutal:
But I think the main point is something different. Before Khojali, the Azerbaijanis thought that they were joking with us, they thought that the Armenians were people who could not raise their hand against the civilian population. We were able to break that [stereotype]. And that’s what happened. And we should also take into account that amongst those boys were people who had fled from Baku and Sumgait.
Sarkisian’s account throws a different light on the worst massacre of the Karabakh war, suggesting that the killings may, at least in part, have been a deliberate act of mass killing as intimidation.

He doesnt say he asked the question. it could be plagiarism, lol.