Armenia and the information war

[Federate]

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Rare and incredible footage of Artsakh war taken by the above-mentioned Tsvetana Paskaleva. She shows incredible courage with these shots!

Part 1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nPtsTKX_VkI
Part 2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n0oij...eature=related
Part 3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=spkNR...e=channel_page
PArt 4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lWsd...e=channel_page

[Haykakan]

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I met her in Detroit, she is a pationate women who cares about our people more then some of our own people care. Vazgen is in there to, i wonder what things would have been like if he didnt die but o well....

[londontsi]

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PRESIDENT OF SYRIA REFUSES TO PAY TRIBUTE TO AZERI VICTIMS OF NKR WAR

http://www.panorama.am/en/politics/2009/07/10/siria/

The President of Syria Bashar Al-Asad paid two-day official visit to Azerbaijan. It was supposed that, according to the agenda, the President should to be accompanied to the monument to honor the Azeri victims of Nagorno-Karabakh war provoked by Azerbaijan.

President of Syria refused to visit the monument stressing his disposition over the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict. It’s worth reminding that Bashar Al-Asad paid visit to Armenia in June and he has expressed his support to contribute to the resolution of the conflict based on self-determination right principle.

Bashar Al-Asad emphasized at his news conference in Azerbaijan that Syria is in good relations both with Armenia and Azerbaijan, hence they could contribute to the resolution of the conflict.


Is it known whether he visited Tsizernagapert during his recent visit to Armenia?

[hipeter924]

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Hopefully Syria will turn against Azerbaijan as a consequence of the Azeri's pro-Israeli government stance. There are always consequences in this world, Azeri's will find that soon enough. Its perhaps the sign of an increasing rift growing between Azeri's and the rest of the arab/muslim world.

[ninetoyadome]

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Hopefully Syria will turn against Azerbaijan as a consequence of the Azeri's pro-Israeli government stance. There are always consequences in this world, Azeri's will find that soon enough. Its perhaps the sign of an increasing rift growing between Azeri's and the rest of the arab/muslim world.

it would be funny if the anti-Israeli muslim countries join Armenia's side because azerbaijan has become so pro-Israel. We already have Iran on our side, imagine other muslim countries join us.

[Federate]

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Egypt, Lebanon and Syria are also already on our side. But in general, we have FAILED at the information war in the Middle East. FFS, we still have some Muslim countries that refuse to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia due to successful Azerbaijani misinformation and lobbying. We need to do more to connect to our neighbours in the Middle East.

[ninetoyadome]

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Egypt, Lebanon and Syria are also already on our side. But in general, we have FAILED at the information war in the Middle East. FFS, we still have some Muslim countries that refuse to establish diplomatic relations with Armenia due to successful Azerbaijani misinformation and lobbying. We need to do more to connect to our neighbours in the Middle East.

thats the problem with Armenia, were not good at spreading misinformation like azerbaijan. that is one category they have completely dominated in. I think Armenia is slowly getting better relations with UAE.

[ninetoyadome]

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White House Releases Details of Armenia Azerbaijan Settlement


In a recent G8 meeting in Italy the presidents of USA, France and Russia called for a settlement of the Nagorno Karabakh conflict and yesterday the White House released the basic principles according to which the conflict may be settled if the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan agree in an upcoming meeting on July 17 in Moscow.

The principles look fair for Armenia and Azerbaijan. However, one thing is missing. While the principles call for a "legally binding expression of will" to determine the final legal status of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic, the question of who's will is very important here.

The negotiators of Armenia have to make sure that the details of where and how the expression of will is conducted are clearly written in the legally binding document. No body wants to be surprised if one day Azerbaijan says that the "expression of will" has to be conducted throughout Azerbaijan, while everyone is assuming that the expression of will or a referendum is to be conducted in the territory of Nagorno Karabakh Republic. This will prevent a future possible conflict and help the people of the three countries to focus on peace building and advancing the prosperity of the region.

The document should clearly say that the "expression of will" is to be conducted only within the boundaries of Nagorno Karabakh's territory and not throughout Azerbaijan. I write these lines because in the past Azerbaijan has signaled that the referendum can be conducted in the entire Azerbaijan and the will of Azerbaijan's population must be taken into consideration.

Azerbaijan should realistically come to the understanding that it can never bring Nagorno Karabakh back to under it's rule or it's territorial integrity. Caucasian countries should wake up to a new reality of a new republic in the region as the European countries did with Kosovo. And this approach brought peace in the Balkans helping everyone. The recognition of the Independence of Nagorno Karabakh Republic is inevitable.

The basic principles of Nagorno Karabakh resolution released by the White House.

The Basic Principles reflect a reasonable compromise based on the Helsinki Final Act principles of Non-Use of Force, Territorial Integrity, and the Equal Rights and Self-Determination of Peoples.

The Basic Principles among other things call for:

-return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control
-an interim status for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance,
-a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh;
-future determination of the final legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will;
-the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and
-international security guarantees that would include a peacekeeping operation.

The endorsement of these Basic Principles by Armenia and Azerbaijan will allow the drafting of a comprehensive settlement to ensure a future of peace, stability, and prosperity for Armenia and Azerbaijan and the broader region.

Again, these as the basic principles, but the main task of the negotiators and the mediators is to delineate in details the exact nature of the "expression of will" in terms of location and time if the final peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan is to be achieved. Otherwise, this can become another frozen conflict, which the latest Georgian events showed that frozen conflicts do not equal to peace.

Written by Armen Hareyan

http://www.huliq.com/1/83407/white-house-releases-details-armenia-azerbaijan-settlement

here is the resolution

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_office/Joint-Statement-on-the-Nagorno-Karabakh-Conflict/

[Federate]

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thats the problem with Armenia, were not good at spreading misinformation like azerbaijan. that is one category they have completely dominated in. I think Armenia is slowly getting better relations with UAE.

True but the problem with the UAE is that it is also closer with Azerbaijan. I think it is going to establish an embassy there soon. Nevertheless, it's good we have relations with them at least.

[londontsi]

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White House Releases Details of Armenia Azerbaijan Settlement


In a recent G8 meeting in Italy the presidents of USA, France and Russia called for a settlement of the Nagorno Karabakh conflict and yesterday the White House released the basic principles according to which the conflict may be settled if the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan agree in an upcoming meeting on July 17 in Moscow.

The principles look fair for Armenia and Azerbaijan. However, one thing is missing. While the principles call for a "legally binding expression of will" to determine the final legal status of the Nagorno Karabakh Republic, the question of who's will is very important here.

The negotiators of Armenia have to make sure that the details of where and how the expression of will is conducted are clearly written in the legally binding document. No body wants to be surprised if one day Azerbaijan says that the "expression of will" has to be conducted throughout Azerbaijan, while everyone is assuming that the expression of will or a referendum is to be conducted in the territory of Nagorno Karabakh Republic. This will prevent a future possible conflict and help the people of the three countries to focus on peace building and advancing the prosperity of the region.

The document should clearly say that the "expression of will" is to be conducted only within the boundaries of Nagorno Karabakh's territory and not throughout Azerbaijan. I write these lines because in the past Azerbaijan has signaled that the referendum can be conducted in the entire Azerbaijan and the will of Azerbaijan's population must be taken into consideration.

Azerbaijan should realistically come to the understanding that it can never bring Nagorno Karabakh back to under it's rule or it's territorial integrity. Caucasian countries should wake up to a new reality of a new republic in the region as the European countries did with Kosovo. And this approach brought peace in the Balkans helping everyone. The recognition of the Independence of Nagorno Karabakh Republic is inevitable.

The basic principles of Nagorno Karabakh resolution released by the White House.

The Basic Principles reflect a reasonable compromise based on the Helsinki Final Act principles of Non-Use of Force, Territorial Integrity, and the Equal Rights and Self-Determination of Peoples.

The Basic Principles among other things call for:

-return of the territories surrounding Nagorno-Karabakh to Azerbaijani control
-an interim status for Nagorno-Karabakh providing guarantees for security and self-governance,
-a corridor linking Armenia to Nagorno-Karabakh;
-future determination of the final legal status of Nagorno-Karabakh through a legally binding expression of will;
-the right of all internally displaced persons and refugees to return to their former places of residence; and
-international security guarantees that would include a peacekeeping operation.

The endorsement of these Basic Principles by Armenia and Azerbaijan will allow the drafting of a comprehensive settlement to ensure a future of peace, stability, and prosperity for Armenia and Azerbaijan and the broader region.

Again, these as the basic principles, but the main task of the negotiators and the mediators is to delineate in details the exact nature of the "expression of will" in terms of location and time if the final peace between Armenia and Azerbaijan is to be achieved. Otherwise, this can become another frozen conflict, which the latest Georgian events showed that frozen conflicts do not equal to peace.

Written by Armen Hareyan

http://www.huliq.com/1/83407/white-house-releases-details-armenia-azerbaijan-settlement

here is the resolution
http://www.whitehouse.gov/the_press_...bakh-Conflict/

Can somebody enlighten me please.

My understanding is that the clause in the Azerbaijani constitution regarding autonomous regions has been revoked.
No part of Azerbaijan can be autonomous until a new clause is added to their constitution including the clause to separate
following a referendum, something Alivev would find politically very difficult and time consuming.
Basically its propaganda machine preparing his people to the wisdom of such a move.

With this background what are the chances of significant progress being achieved or is this just another blind alley.