Armenia and the information war

[Army]

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Im sure Russia would be a great 'friend' to them lol

[Federate]

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Azerbaijani flags in washroom? Yenicag


A picture was taken during the Oct. 14 Armenia-Turkey football match on the territory of the Ataturk stadium, Bursa (Turkey). A box with “WC” sign was full of Azerbaijani flags, Turkish Yenicag newspaper reports.

Referring to the incident, the Governor of Bursa Sahabettin Harput noted, “I also heard the rumors of that picture, however I sent a written inquiry and got reply refuting that information.”

http://news.am/en/news/6745.html

[Federate]

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More info on the removal of the Turkish flags from the martyrs alley.
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Turkish flags off Alley in Baku


Turkish flags are removed from the Martyr's Alley in Baku, ANS press informs Oct. 16. The security guard said that the flags were taken off the flagstaffs this Thursday, “A couple of workers took off the flags in the morning. The same people removed the flagstaffs yesterday in the evening, concreted the holes and coated with paving stones.” The guard does not know who exactly made the order, however, supposes that high-ranking officials could have done so.

The guard, who didn’t want to be identified, underlining that before the flags’ removal some “governmental officials” visited the spot. “The people in suits and ties arrived in foreign cars. They were issuing certain commissions, pointing towards the memorial complex. In a couple of hours, the workers arrived to the area,” he said.

This incident evoked a wide response among Turkish mass media. CNN Turk expressed its concern and astonishment on the matter.

http://news.am/en/news/6749.html

[Alexandros]

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Azerbaijan warns Turkey, West on gas exports

The Associated Press October 16, 2009, 5:51PM ET

BAKU, Azerbaijan

Azerbaijan's president expressed dissatisfaction with Turkish terms for natural-gas trade Friday, and suggested his energy-rich Caspian Sea country could seek other avenues for exports.

President Ilham Aliyev's remarks suggest that Azerbaijan's dismay over Turkey's efforts to reconcile with foe Armenia could hurt Western hopes of reducing the European Union's reliance on Russia for gas.

Gas from the Caspian region, including Azerbaijan, is a focus of competition between Russian export routes and a projected Western-backed pipeline to Europe via Turkey.

"The lack of a resolution with Turkey on the issue of gas transit is hindering full-scale transport of Azerbaijani gas to Europe," Aliyev told a Cabinet meeting.

Azerbaijan has criticized Turkey for reaching a deal last weekend that foresees establishing diplomatic ties with Armenia and opening their shared border, saying there should be no reconciliation until the dispute over Nagorno-Karabakh -- an area in Azerbaijan that has been held by Armenians since a war in the early 1990s -- is settled. Azerbaijan fears the deal with Turkey will discourage Armenia from giving ground in the dispute.

Aliyev did not mention the Turkish-Armenian agreement, but his remarks displayed dissatisfaction with his country's traditional ally. He stressed that Azerbaijan will export gas to Russia next year and may export to Iran in the future.

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[Alexandros]

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Azerbaijan Looks For Gas Routes To Europe Bypassing Turkey

OCTOBER 17, 2009, 9:51 A.M. ET

BAKU (IHA)--The president of Azerbaijan, Ilham Aliyev, said late Friday that his country has to look for alternative gas routes to Europe as conditions offered by Turkey for the transit of Azeri gas were unacceptable.

Speaking at the televised enlarged meeting of the Azeri Government, Aliyev noted that his government wouldn't like to pay a transit tariff rate that is 70% higher than the region's average.

The head of state also was unhappy with the price of gas purchased by Turkey from Azerbaijan. "It has been a long time since Azerbaijan started selling its gas to Turkey at a third of the world price," he said. "Is there a country that sells its natural resources at 30% of the world price, especially today, and is happy with this?...We have not come to any agreement through the negotiations, which have been going on since April last year. We want our gas to be purchased not at world prices but at a price that is close to the world prices. Not even close to the price of Russian gas, but 8% or 10% lower than that, but not 50% lower."

Aliyev also claimed that current attitude of Turkey delays the start-up of Shahdeniz Stage II gas project as well. He said they are ready to start the second stage, which will bring $20 billion new investment to Azerbaijan, but first the volumes, the prices and the target markets must be determined before the start of gas field development.

"We would have been producing and selling gas and earning a lot more if we started the second stage two years ago. But we are losing time....There are the unnecessary hurdles. We don't like the price, we will never sell our gas for that price. We don't like the tariff rates. 70% higher than the region's average. Why should we pay so much?...The partners in the Shahdeniz Consortium are worried because the development contract will expire in 2026. If we start the development now, then, production will begin in 2015 and it will be only 11 years before the contract term is over. But the deposits of the field equal 1.2 trillion cubic meters, and if they extract them all in 11 years, they would have to produce 100 billion cubic meters annually, which is impossible," the president said.

Aliyev emphasized that failure to resolve the transit issue may cause this large project to be aborted.

"We need to seek alternatives and there are other countries around that need energy resources," he noted.

Aliyev said Azerbaijan could export gas through Russia and Iran without any transit countries. He also noted that exporting gas through Romania and Bulgaria via the ports on the Black Sea is a third alternative route.

Russia wants to establish alternative gas routes against European Union-backed Nabucco Pipeline, which aims transporting gas from second phase of Azerbaijan's Shahdeniz gas deposit in the Caspian Sea, through Georgia, Turkey and the Balkan States.

Baku is unhappy with its ally Turkey's recent initiative to normalize relations with Armenia, Azerbaijan's enemy due to the Nagorno-Karabakh conflict.

Turkey and Armenia signed a protocol last week envisaging establishment of diplomatic relations and reopening of border gates. The protocol needs to be ratified by parliaments of both sides before coming into force.

-By Erkan Oz


(END) Dow Jones Newswires

10-17-09 1006ET

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[Icy]

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More info on the removal of the Turkish flags from the martyrs alley.
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Turkish flags off Alley in Baku


Turkish flags are removed from the Martyr's Alley in Baku, ANS press informs Oct. 16. The security guard said that the flags were taken off the flagstaffs this Thursday, “A couple of workers took off the flags in the morning. The same people removed the flagstaffs yesterday in the evening, concreted the holes and coated with paving stones.” The guard does not know who exactly made the order, however, supposes that high-ranking officials could have done so.

The guard, who didn’t want to be identified, underlining that before the flags’ removal some “governmental officials” visited the spot. “The people in suits and ties arrived in foreign cars. They were issuing certain commissions, pointing towards the memorial complex. In a couple of hours, the workers arrived to the area,” he said.

This incident evoked a wide response among Turkish mass media. CNN Turk expressed its concern and astonishment on the matter.

http://news.am/en/news/6749.html

So, the azeries are tired of turkey now?
but who will they now look up to?

[AlphaPapa]

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So, the azeries are tired of turkey now?
but who will they now look up to?

They'll wait until the 'Islamic' party in Turkey is gone and then rejoin with their pan-turanist dreams. I'm sure the Israelis are working on it as we speak.




i can't post the link...google a t a j e w

[Icy]

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They'll wait until the 'Islamic' party in Turkey is gone and then rejoin with their pan-turanist dreams. I'm sure the Israelis are working on it as we speak.




i can't post the link...google a t a j e w

I don't wan't to go to much in turkey, but as of
now I think azerbaijan is extremely confused on who
to trust and build a relationship with.

[AlphaPapa]

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I think Azerbaijan's leadership is similar to Turkeys, in that it attempts a two-faced dialogue with all, to appease all. I think it makes the Turkish very wise politically. Azerbaijan is new to the game but catching on fast. I remember about 6-10 months ago, there seemed to be a bit of tension that developed between Azerbaijan and a favorable appearance from Russia (towards Azerbaijan)...not sure how much of it was showmanship or sincere but what we do know as a fact is that both Turkiye and Azerbaijan are extremely anti-Armenia, so no matter who they do wind up developing a relationship with, we will not change the least.

Is it better for Azeris to be close to Russia, and thus have a positive affect in the Armenia-Russia-Azerbaijan circle? I doubt it...we're always disposable to foreign powers.

I think its better that Russia becomes hostile towards Azerbaijan, especially once Georgia is pro-Russia again. This way we can still count on Russia as a genuine friend.

It's one of those lesser of evils situations, whereas Turkey and Azerbaijan have the ability to be friends with all three regional powers (Iran, Russia, Turkey).

[Haykakan]

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I told you guys the signing was gona put lots of pressure on the Azeris. And ALpha i already discussed the the possible scenerious and options the Azeris are likely to take in the other thread look it up.