Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Hakob]

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There are probably a lot of details and behind the scenes negotiations that we are not aware of. I doubt such statements would be thrown around haphazardly by the Defense Ministry, and I doubt that Armenia would chose to convey an important decision such as this by letting the Russian leadership "hear about it on the news".

And like I said, the more valuable Armenia becomes, the more insurance we have. I personally hope that this project becomes a reality.

On a final note, imagine how the azeris will react to their own stupidity and overvaluation of their own positions if their former trump card, Gabala, is replaced by a superior facility in Armenia!

We say that azeris made a mistake, but I think that it is not a mistake but a calculation influenced by it's closest allies. Turkey, israel and britain/Usa, for whom Russian foothold on a land for which they have so many plans and aspirations (oil contracts, panturkizm, attack platform etc.) for future is not permissable. Azeri over confidence is secondary.
Baku knows that for russia good relaions mean russian controll over it's oil exports and lower profits than the western option. Arabic scenario is more appealing then russian controll. Also, for aliev, this means that the west will protect his clan's continuous power, like in arab kingdoms. Tiranny or not. While with russia, it means recurring oligarkhic power challenges or complete replacement of ruling clan. Evicting russia could also entice the west to lend more support in karabakh conflict or secure land dividents from turkish/Nato plans of dismembering iran.
So Azeri plans in future do not include close relations with russia.

[Suedia]

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It doesn't seem at the moment that Russia is willing to built a radar station in Armenia, since it is being satisfied with the one it has near its southern border. The Map represented shows the range of the Gabala radar, as well the Russian one on its territory(Armavir). As you can see, it is of not much difference in covering distance, so it is possible that for the near future such radar would not be constructed on Armenian soil, although I would have been very pleased if that were to happen

[burjuin]

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Armenian Air Force

[samvel1982]

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Not sure about S-300 but that does look like an air defense station....and well fortified.
Cool

you are right... it is 100% an air defence station....but, which type of station

[Haykakan]

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Radar is something you cant have enough of because in case of attack the radar systems are the first things that get hit. There are good weapons against radar targets thus having more then one radar system covering the same area makes sense. A good radar system in Hayastan will be a valuable asset for Russia regardless of what area is already covered by other systems.

It doesn't seem at the moment that Russia is willing to built a radar station in Armenia, since it is being satisfied with the one it has near its southern border. The Map represented shows the range of the Gabala radar, as well the Russian one on its territory(Armavir). As you can see, it is of not much difference in covering distance, so it is possible that for the near future such radar would not be constructed on Armenian soil, although I would have been very pleased if that were to happen[ATTACH]2644[/ATTACH]

[londontsi]

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The radars we are referring to (Garbala, Armavir etc ) are for long range tracking.
They are primarily early warning systems.
If these are hit basically world war three has started. No need for any early warning .
A free for all exchanges would be the order of the day.


As for anti radar missiles although effective against defenceless systems, typically once an incoming missile was detected
the radar would be switched off and a decoy (radar) source would be lighted.
The missile will home on to the decoy.
These type of techniques exist, could be hairy but well prepared units would have mastered it during training.



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[Federate]

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Very interesting .... near Stepanakert.....What's that? S-300 division???

That's an empty S-300P site constructed between February 2004 and July 2007 according to http://geimint.blogspot.ca/2008/06/w...-overview.html

Link to where the site is on Google maps for those interested: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=stepa...epanakert&z=17

[Haykakan]

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There are weapons that are undetectable to radar (special drones and planes) which will be used to do the job. Yes such an attack would mean a ww3 type of scenario but having another system would also mean that you still have coverage of the same area. WW3 does not have to be a nuclear war thus these radars would still be useful. Radars are obvious first targets so making radar stations in different places with verying degrees of proximity to the enemy reach makes sense. If the enemy hits the one in armenia then you still have the one in armavir to cover the same area or vice versa.

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The radars we are referring to (Garbala, Armavir etc ) are for long range tracking.
They are primarily early warning systems.
If these are hit basically world war three has started. No need for any early warning .
A free for all exchanges would be the order of the day.


As for anti radar missiles although effective against defenceless systems, typically once an incoming missile was detected
the radar would be switched off and a decoy (radar) source would be lighted.
The missile will home on to the decoy.
These type of techniques exist, could be hairy but well prepared units would have mastered it during training.



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[londontsi]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

There are weapons that are undetectable to radar (special drones and planes) which will be used to do the job. Yes such an attack would mean a ww3 type of scenario but having another system would also mean that you still have coverage of the same area. WW3 does not have to be a nuclear war thus these radars would still be useful. Radars are obvious first targets so making radar stations in different places with verying degrees of proximity to the enemy reach makes sense. If the enemy hits the one in armenia then you still have the one in armavir to cover the same area or vice versa.

Russia’s defence doctrine states, If attacked it will retaliate with nuclear weapons.
It will not stand for any erosion type of attacks.

This has been stated by both Presidents Yeltsin and Putin.

Indeed it will not stand for any antimissile radars close to its borders which would reduce its retaliation capability.
Whether successful or not time will tell.

Therefore hitting one radar and not the other will not save us from nuclear exchange.

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[londontsi]

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That's an empty S-300P site constructed between February 2004 and July 2007 according to http://geimint.blogspot.ca/2008/06/w...-overview.html

Link to where the site is on Google maps for those interested: https://maps.google.com/maps?q=stepa...epanakert&z=17

There is also an empty runway east of Fizuli. Its within Armenian held territory. Not sure if pre war or newly built.