Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Serjik]

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Aper, dont forget you are talking to someone who is a "Amerigahye" from "Turqahye" heritage. so if its not written in english it doesnt exists LOL!!!! This is how deep and proud these people are. its sad but hey...

So in your view "english-language" is scholarly work. But russian is not? Just a todays observation. Sweeds don't have Manukovs, Vasils(Barsegh) Ivans(hovannes), Parfeys(Partev). Nobody will stick suvorov's birth certificate in the face of your "English scholars". But a couple of hundred years of our folk legends and beliefs (including hearing it from birth in USSR) and even some addmittences by russians themselfs is enough for me. You believe what you do and I will what I will. For me he is as much Armenian as many who have changed their last names to russian or any western types. Lot still claim as Armenians, but their children maybe not. But the root is what he is.
There was no way they accepted any non russian names even 20 years ago. Even me, they did not call Gevorki but Geogievich for fathers name. One time in Moscow a hotel clerk Called my last name as Gasparov but not Gasparian.
People in Artsakh and Armenia know very well were any known person in histoy comes from. Where things come from. And if they decide to use or call any entities for any purose, they don't need "english scholars" or any other source.

[Hovo]

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[TomServo]

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I didn't realize that my skepticism and request for verifiable evidence of Suvorov's Armenian ancestry was going to cause such a kerfuffle.

I don't read Russian, which is why I stated that his Armenian ancestry is not mentioned in English-language sources (and read a Google translation of the Russian-language Wikipedia and posted what it said to balance this). But I probably would argue that English or Western sources are more reliable than the Russian since many modern Russian scholars actually get their information about the tsarist period from such sources due to the limits, biases, and distortions that went into Soviet historiography.

Gotta say, I love how Serjik's efforts to discredit me have gone so far that he is now putting Amerigahye and Turqahye in scare quotes.

[TomServo]

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You believe what you do and I will what I will. For me he is as much Armenian as many who have changed their last names to russian or any western types. Lot still claim as Armenians, but their children maybe not. But the root is what he is.
There was no way they accepted any non russian names even 20 years ago. Even me, they did not call Gevorki but Geogievich for fathers name. One time in Moscow a hotel clerk Called my last name as Gasparov but not Gasparian.
People in Artsakh and Armenia know very well were any known person in histoy comes from. Where things come from. And if they decide to use or call any entities for any purose, they don't need "english scholars" or any other source.

Even the most chauvinistic of Russian scholars would probably grudgingly acknowledge that, say, Ivan Aivazovsky was of Armenian descent. And there are plenty of sources (Russian, Western, Armenian) that will mention the artist's Armenian background.

That doesn't seem to be the case with Suvorov but I suppose the Manukov surname would indicate an Armenian ancestor.

Anyway, I actually want to take back what I said in my initial post -- I made it seem like institutions in Armenia should only be named after individuals who are unambiguously Armenian. I don't mind the military school being named after a non-Armenian as long as the person made some sort of contribution to the Armenian nation and culture (Yerevan's linguistic university, for example, is named after the Russian poet Valery Bryusov because he contributed to the Armenian literary scene and actually ended up learning Armenian).

[burjuin]

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[Hakob]

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Even the most chauvinistic of Russian scholars would probably grudgingly acknowledge that, say, Ivan Aivazovsky was of Armenian descent. And there are plenty of sources (Russian, Western, Armenian) that will mention the artist's Armenian background.

That doesn't seem to be the case with Suvorov but I suppose the Manukov surname would indicate an Armenian ancestor.

Anyway, I actually want to take back what I said in my initial post -- I made it seem like institutions in Armenia should only be named after individuals who are unambiguously Armenian. I don't mind the military school being named after a non-Armenian as long as the person made some sort of contribution to the Armenian nation and culture (Yerevan's linguistic university, for example, is named after the Russian poet Valery Bryusov because he contributed to the Armenian literary scene and actually ended up learning Armenian).

Brother,
Once an Armenian scholar, whose name I can't remember, sad roughly this: "Not having statehood and independent existence for so many centuries, made others rob us of our hysoric values and entities. Now rebuilding it sometimes gets painfull because of so many skeletons of our past have been hidden deep in other's closets".
At the time of Suvorov, Russian empire was dominated by foreign talents who were welcomed and greatly appreciated. But after mid 19th century, russification and rewriting of hystory became very popular. As in ottoman empire too. If you read their hystory books you would never guess that the empire was built initially mainly by non turks.
So in Russia, in 19th century being a caucasian ment lower status and non desirable class. It got very bad in Golitsin's times. Generally any known figure or important person in history was russified as much as possible.
Suvorov has had many successful campaigns against ottoman empire, in russian territorial advance and thus, has had a great deal of imput in eastern Armenia's today's existence.
Now, for our future and nationhood, I think, that it is very important for us to indicate his ancestry and honor his memory as a great worrior and diplomat with Armenian roots.

[burjuin]

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[arakeretzig]

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Is there any confirmation of doubling the size of russian troops in Armenia?

[burjuin]

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On the frontline

[burjuin]

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A serviceman dies in tank overturn in Azerbaijan military training

[ 18 February 2013 10:57 ]
Baku. Hafiz Heydarov – APA. A serviceman died during the military training in Azerbaijan.

APA reports that it happened at the military unit of Nakhchivan Autonomous Republic on February 15. The tank driven by extended serviceman Mushfig Gazanfar Beylarov overturned into a trench. He died while trying to get out of the tank.

Deputy chief of the Defense Ministry’s press service Teymur Abdullayev confirmed the fact to APA.

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