Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Suedia]

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I found logical what General Ter-Tatevosyan says. War could resume most probably after ratification of turkish-Armenian protocols, if the Armenians refuse to withraw from Artsakhian territories.

[ashot24]

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I found logical what General Ter-Tatevosyan says. War could resume most probably after ratification of turkish-Armenian protocols, if the Armenians refuse to withraw from Artsakhian territories.

We got issue for long then, none of that things are going to happen, nor ratification nor withdrawal, at least not in the near future. However, it is now time to realize whether or not Sargsyan's statements and position on both the protocols and the Artsakh issue were true or just mere talking, and whether or not we have been playing with the right cards so far.

[burjuin]

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Photos of the Armenian Army for the last fifteen years:

[hipeter924]

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I found logical what General Ter-Tatevosyan says. War could resume most probably after ratification of turkish-Armenian protocols, if the Armenians refuse to withraw from Artsakhian territories.

I guess Azerbajian will lose again, maybe you can take 'its' oil this time.

Azerbaijan may be split in two: Armenians in Nagorny Karabakh prepare for decisive assault - Abkhazians step back from the front line in Georgia

HUGH POPE in Istanbul

Wednesday, 18 August 1993

ARMENIAN forces advancing out of the captured territory of Nagorny Karabakh are now in a position to split in half the shambolic and unstable former Soviet republic of Azerbaijan, diplomats said yesterday. Such a move could make homeless at least 100,000 more Azeri Muslim townsmen and villagers.

'If the Armenians move 10km to the south, the situation will be extremely critical. We'll have an influx of refugees into Iran,' said Andre Picot, chief delegate in Azerbaijan for the International Red Cross.

Mr Picot said up to 122,000 Azeris still lived in the Iranian border regions of Zengelan, Kubatli and Jebrail. They may be cut off from the rest of Azerbaijan and panic if Armenian forces decide to take the now-deserted town of Fizuli, which the Armenians have surrounded, and close the 25-mile corridor between the southern edge of Nagorny Karabakh and Iran's northern border.

The United Nations has already decided to move tents and emergency supplies from stockpiles in Turkey into northern Iran in anticipation of an influx over the Aras river. Iran, with a big Azeri minority of its own and whose Foreign Minister, Ali Akbar Velayati, was due in Baku today, has now also warned that it cannot remain indifferent to aggression so close to its border.

At the same time, diplomats say, Armenian forces have moved north of Nagorny Karabakh within striking distance of Yevlakh, a key junction on the road and railway linking the Azeri capital, Baku, with the second city of Ganja. Major gas and oil pipelines also run along this route, including one connecting Turkmenistan to Georgia.

Azeris still seem to lack the will to fight. 'The whole republic is going to be affected. There is no resistance, no reason for the Armenians to stop. It's up to them whether or not they cut the country in half,' one diplomat said.

Apart from a few setbacks in 1992, well-organised Armenian forces have made steady progress since the undeclared war started over Nagorny Karabakh in 1988, then an enclave surrounded by Azerbaijan and populated by about 150,000 Armenians and 30,000 Azeris. It is now completely Armenian-controlled and since the capture and expulsion of Azeris from the Lachin and Kelbajar districts over the past year, it is firmly joined to Armenia proper.

The territory declared itself independent in 1991 and Armenia's moderate President Levon Ter-Petrosian claims his government has nothing to do with the fighting. But Armenian troops, fuel and weapons have all backed up the tough Nagorny Karabakhi fighters, who also enjoy financial backing from the Armenian diaspora in France and the United States.

Azerbaijan continues to display the crazy political disorganisation that has led to the defeat of its 7 million people by Armenia's 3 million. If 15,000 people had not been killed on both sides and 650,000 made homeless in Azerbaijan alone, one diplomat in Baku said, 'this place would be worthy of a Peter Sellers film'.

In one recent tragi-comic turn, two parliamentarians being held hostage by the current Prime Minister were formally punished by the assembly for absenteeism.

Azeri failures have continued despite a coup in June that deposed the democratically elected president of Azerbaijan, Abdulfaz Elchibey, an act likely to be formalised in a referendum on 28 August. In the pro-Turkish Mr Elchibey's place has come the more pro-Russian and pro-Iranian Haidar Aliev, 70, a former KGB general and Soviet politburo member who was the long-serving Communist leader of the republic.

Mr Aliev indirectly blamed the situation on the Prime Minister, Surat Husseinov, the young mafia millionaire with a silver-plated pistol whose Russian-armed rebel march on Baku was the straw that broke the back of the former Elchibey government.

Using humiliating tactics worthy of a show-trial and accusing opponents of being 'low-down, dishonourable traitors', Mr Aliev steered crisis meetings of the Azeri parliament yesterday and Monday away from the question of military defeats.

Mr Aliev concentrated his attacks on a recent separatist-style rebellion among ethnic Persian-speakers in the Iranian border province of Talysh- Mugan. He said they were the work of Ayaz Mutalibov, the part-Talysh president of Azerbaijan from 1990-1992 who is now a potential rival to Mr Aliev.

Although street life in Baku remains strangely normal, none of the recent developments bodes well for the Azeri people. Their dreams of freedom and oil wealth after independence from the Soviet Union have rapidly turned to bereavement, falling oil production, plummeting living standards and defeat.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/azerbaijan-may-be-split-in-two-armenians-in-nagorny-karabakh-prepare-for-decisive-assault--abkhazians-step-back-from-the-front-line-in-georgia-1461796.html

[Haykakan]

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ARMENIAN PRESIDENT SEES NO THREAT OF WAR RESUMPTION IN THE NEAR FUTURE

ArmInfo
2010-04-09 19:36:00

ArmInfo. "There has always been a threat of war resumption",- said
Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan during a press-conference in the
resort town of Dilijan.

According to him, there was a threat of war resumption in 1995, 2000
and 2005, and it remains today. "There will be a threat of war until
peace and stability are established in our region",- he said. Sargsyan
added that such threats become objective for Armenian people when
Azeris display militarist behavior without any grounds. "I see no
advantages among Azeris as compared with us",- said Sargsyan.

The president expressed confidence that both opposition and authorities
have people, who will find themselves in the front line in case of
resumption of the military actions. At the same time, the president
said: "I see no threat of war resumption in the near future". He added
that the defense minister should always expect military actions to
start even tomorrow. "Therefore the defense ministry and the whole
ministry staff are working day and night. Our army is battle-worthy,
and in case of war we cannot be taken aback",- he said.

[ashot24]

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Manvel Yeghiazaryan: Armenian people should prepare for war

April 10, 2010 - 15:13 AMT 10:13 GMT

PanARMENIAN.Net - Manvel Yeghiazaryan, the commander of Arabo detachment, stated that spreading panic around the Karabakh issue is a wrong deed.

“Karabakh can’t be ceded to Azerbaijan. We stand ready to battle its independence,” he told reporters in Yerevan. “We don’t want war but should prepare for it. We will set off war against those who tell us to cede the liberated territories before the NKR status is determined.”

Commander Yeghiazaryan labeled Azerbaijan’s threats to unleash a new war as a mere diplomatic show.

As to Armenian-Turkish rapprochement process, he said any attempt to reconcile is senseless unless Turkey acknowledges the Armenian Genocide. “Those who insist that present-day Turkey is not the same as the Ottoman Empire, which committed the Genocide are mistaken. After perpetrating the Armenian Genocide, Turks occupied Cyprus, now they continue massacring Kurds. Turkey is a murderer country,” Yeghiazaryan said.

http://www.panarmenian.net/eng/politics/news/46849/Manvel_Yeghiazaryan_Armenian_people_should_prepare_for_war

[Suedia]

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thank you ahot24 and hipeter924 for the replies.

There is another thing worrying that i see/hear nowadays:

Մեր երիտասարդները Հայաստանում ամէն ինչ են անում որ բանակ չմտնեն:

Why?

[gegev]

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thank you ahot24 and hipeter924 for the replies.

There is another thing worrying that i see/hear nowadays:

Մեր երիտասարդները Հայաստանում ամէն ինչ են անում որ բանակ չմտնեն:

Why?

This is a totally wrong statement: as an Armenian living in Yerevan I assure you that our young are ready to join our famous army and they are doing it with great joy: just recently I’ve attended conscripts farewell parties, in my neighborhood, five times and they all looked like wedding ceremonies. What is the source of your statement?

[Mukuch]

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thank you ahot24 and hipeter924 for the replies.

There is another thing worrying that i see/hear nowadays:

Մեր երիտասարդները Հայաստանում ամէն ինչ են անում որ բանակ չմտնեն:

Why?

Well actually in any society there is a lumpen class which does not care about any thing but their own well being. When poorer society biger that class.

[Suedia]

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Gegev, i asked this question because i know many families and young men that are trying to find a way not to get in the armed forces. anyway, thank you for response. Same to you too Mukuch