Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Chubs]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Well I'm pissed that they didn't take measures earlier.
What did they except from the turks ? Did they really think they would stay calm and do nothing ? Even more since there have been no incidents since 2/3 months.
Shame that they couldn't respond on time , or have any way to survive.

They missile turks fired was pretty close of the heli, it either means :
1/ We actually were on the azeri side of the border
2/They had troops inside the neutral zone or even on our border !

The trenches are no less than several hundred meters away...They were in their trenches, its obvious. They were not on our border. The boys in our trenches must have engaged them immediately, and the firefights could still be going on. Its not a very smart move, considering there is an army of soldiers already ready to deploy. Hopefully, there will consequences, maybe sanctions although that is a dream. This is just a sad day for Armenians

[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

The trenches are no less than several hundred meters away...They were in their trenches, its obvious. They were not on our border. The boys in our trenches must have engaged them immediately, and the firefights could still be going on. Its not a very smart move, considering there is an army of soldiers already ready to deploy. Hopefully, there will consequences, maybe sanctions although that is a dream. This is just a sad day for Armenians

The no mans land/zone is probably less than or up to a hundred meters. When they took us there summer of 2012, you could see the other side through the sniper/rifle barrel openings inside the trenches. It wouldn't be unreasonable to shoot an object in clear day light in the middle of the sky from a 200-300 meters away

[Mher]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

war is not a joke, the total destruction that Artsakh would suffer, the damage and massive emigration Armenia would suffer, irregardless of the outcome, is not something you can take lightly.

[Ak105]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

This is serious xxxxing buisness. We were laughing at azerbaijan buying expensive weapons and saying that those weapons will be ours. This is showing that those idiots are capable of fighting. And did the radar even see the missle coming??

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

This is serious xxxxing buisness. We were laughing at azerbaijan buying expensive weapons and saying that those weapons will be ours. This is showing that those idiots are capable of fighting. And did the radar even see the missle coming??

Rest in peace

A missile warning system usually consist of ultra violet and thermal cameras pointing in all direction. Most the MI-24 we have aren't equipped with missile approach warning systems, unless they've been modernized. It took four seconds for the missile to reach the helicopter. Even if it had that system there would have not been enough time for the flares to get far enough from the helicopter for the missiles magnetic proximity fuse no not detect where the helicopter is and detonate.

This is going to define Serge's presidency. He knows this, so I don't think he's going to disappoint.

[Chubs]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

This is serious xxxxing buisness. We were laughing at azerbaijan buying expensive weapons and saying that those weapons will be ours. This is showing that those idiots are capable of fighting. And did the radar even see the missle coming??

Relax, if an ISIS monkey can use an igla, im pretty sure a conscript can use one as well. They are not very hard to operate, and the helicopter was insanely close, pilot had no time to counter it.

Of course they are capable of pulling triggers, and fighting. We were joking, Im sure we take these people seriously, at least I do.

We need to retaliate. Anything, maybe even call on the EU, Russia, and the UN to apply pressure.

[gokorik]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If there's no military response from our side, like a huge artillery strike, it's going to show weakness and hesitance. They need to understand were not scared of taking things to next level. If the response is political only, it will tarnish Serge's legacy. He won't allow himself to look like a coward. No matter the pressure from Russia, or anyone else.

[Chubs]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

If there's no military response from our side, like a huge artillery strike, it's going to show weakness and hesitance. They need to understand were not scared of taking things to next level. If the response is political only, it will tarnish Serge's legacy. He won't allow himself to look like a coward. No matter the pressure from Russia, or anyone else.

That was a ballsy move from them, Ill admit, even after all the rumors about Armenia having Iskander. Im still pissed off that I havent heard about any retaliation, but it seems as if a response will trigger another from Azerbaijan, and the cycle will continue until Armenia is at war.

The best thing to do, call for sanctions on Azerbaijan, or have our special forces, as they have mentioned before, infiltrate Azerbaijan, and assist in coordinating a missile strike on the oil pipeline, maybe take out a platoon of soldiers. Send a message, but it seems we have caught Azerbaijan red handed, with their pants down. This was a blatant act of aggression, that they cant lie their way through, and now they have the regions attention. This time though, its not a pedestal and a nice bright spotlight awaiting them on the world stage. This time, the audience, the international community, will greet them with dirty looks and disgust.

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

This is serious xxxxing buisness. We were laughing at azerbaijan buying expensive weapons and saying that those weapons will be ours. This is showing that those idiots are capable of fighting. And did the radar even see the missle coming??

Relax AK. Azeris are not capable of face to face fighting and won't be for near future. What happened is what they are very capable of. Ambush and a hit on unsaspecting unprotected "enemy".
It is our fault that our command did not take seriousely that we shoud never present azeris with an easy target. Either flying or sleeping. They are lions(more like hyenas) on easy targets.
And what can be easier than shooting an anarmed helicopter flying 200-300 meters above? Any rocket can do, any idiot can pull the trigger.
It is our fault, not their valor.
I think, we can turn this to our advantage.
1) We should declare that Azerbaijan's actions make airspace near contactline off limits to any aircraft.
2) We should shoot any azeri aircraft flying within about 1 kilometer of contact line(1K declared but 2-3K affected, who will sort out in this?). By doing so we will prevent Azeri air support on their troops near contact line. This off limits will hurt them more then us, as air support is needed for forces situated below their enemy positions and also azeris have bigger quantities and so will have bigger airsupport impairment problems.
The question is not just about revenge, but take further advantage over enemy.
That is what Israel does.

[Chubs]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Relax AK. Azeris are not capable of face to face fighting and won't be for near future. What happened is what they are very capable of. Ambush and a hit on unsaspecting unprotected "enemy".
It is our fault that our command did not take seriousely that we shoud never present azeris with an easy target. Either flying or sleeping. They are lions(more like hyenas) on easy targets.
And what can be easier than shooting an anarmed helicopter flying 200-300 meters above? Any rocket can do, any idiot can pull the trigger.
It is our fault, not their valor.
I think, we can turn this to our advantage.
1) We should declare that Azerbaijan's actions make airspace near contactline off limits to any aircraft.
2) We should shoot any azeri aircraft flying within about 1 kilometer of contact line(1K declared but 2-3K affected, who will sort out in this?). By doing so we will prevent Azeri air support on their troops near contact line. This off limits will hurt them more then us, as air support is needed for forces situated below their enemy positions and also azeris have bigger quantities and so will have bigger airsupport impairment problems.
The question is not just about revenge, but take further advantage over enemy.
That is what Israel does.

Yea, well Israel isn't exactly the most competent military in the world, they can't even refrain from killing civilians during operations. Thats a sign of a very incompetent military, but thats besides the point

I agree, we need to use this as an example, maybe set up some conditions with the Azeris to keep aircraft from the area, and this would sanction us shooting down any CASEVAC attempting to transport wounded after a skirmish, perhaps this would even sanction shooting down any aircraft flying near the area. Since they see no problem with it, we shouldn't either.

And in order to prevent us from being damaged in these advancements, we should set up 24/7 field hospitals closer to the LoC.

And considering the fact that Azerbaijan most likely received that launcher from Russia, we could probably negotiate with the Russians for possible compensation. Although, I doubt it lol.

Either way, there has to be a response, Gokorik is correct, this defines Serzh's second term. If he does not respond, the Republican Party will be seen as weak, and might lose out on some support in the next election.



I'd also like to remind everyone, that numbers do not mean anything. I was looking at losses of the war in Ukraine. It turns out, one separatist T72B was able to take out, 6 T64BMs alone. This led Ukrainian troops who witnessed it to believe that it was a Russian T72 and not separatist. In theory, the T64BM, which is manned by Ukraine's elite crews, should have been perfectly able to destroy the T72B. Although, this was not case. Because of a lack of any good crews, proper training, and motivation, Ukraine got its ass handed to them by the Separatists in the most recent months. Although, this situation cannot be fully applied to the possible war between Armenia and Azerbaijan, but Id like to point out, the Kontakt-5 on the T64s and T72BMs have proven to not be as effective as once thought. Remember, Armenia is facing Soviet tanks, and Soviet tanks have great weaknesses when it comes to defense. Good crews always triumph over tanks that are better on paper.

You can learn more about the losses, and effectiveness of Soviet tanks in combat in Ukraine at this cool website: http://lostarmour.info/armour/