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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Originally posted by londontsi View Post
    A critical element of a confident fighter is high morale.

    Best way to raise moral is a spirit lifting speech by the commander before an engagement. Age old technique.

    Invariably the words, morality, decency, honour , in the eyes of God etc etc would be part of the vocabulary in lifting the moral of the soldiers.

    It works with kids, with labour force , soldiers, political speeches etc etc.

    What the reality my be in detail is a different story, it will camouflage reality.

    Of course moral lifting techniques without substance is BS, you have to be believable.

    .
    Although your post seems tangent (somewhat) to the point I was trying to make, it did not address the heart of my point.
    Aside from "pep" talks & moral boosting, Honor is something to be striven for, for it's own sake.
    The Truth, and Honor are --- real --- things that are indispensable to anyone who desires to be a decent person.
    The turc & the tatar do not even have a concept of what truth is but rather substitute their desires via lies to form a false reality.
    There is no honor in substituting lies for truth.

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      All these Armenian SF articles are reminding me of this sensationalist BS from the UK:

      SAS troops with sniper rifles and heavy machine guns have killed hundreds of Islamic State extremists in a series of deadly quad-bike ambushes inside Iraq, The Mail on Sunday can reveal.


      I wouldn't be surprised if Armenian special forces become prevalent in popular culture in Armenia, especially after this operation. This op, foreshadows a rise in professionalism within special detachments. I dont think it wouldn't be such a bad idea to send some special forces guys to Afghanistan in Armenia's very own peacekeeping detachment, let them get some other style of operational experience. (We're gonna need some MRAPs )

      Interesting piece from a wiki article on MRAPs, just goes to show how Azerbaijan is wasting their money and time:

      With the end of the Iraq War and the drawdown of the War in Afghanistan, there was some question as to what to do with MRAPs, as they were designed specifically for asymmetric warfare. The Army decided they would keep them in some sort of service post-war. Of the approximately 20,000 MRAPs in service, 30% (6,000) will stay in brigade combat teams as troop transports and route clearance vehicles, 10% (2,000) will be used for training, and 60% (12,000) will go into storage. MRAPs are to be superseded by the Joint Light Tactical Vehicle when it enters service in 2016. It still may be used until 2022, when the JLTV is in use in sufficient numbers.
      Last edited by Chubs; 11-24-2014, 11:28 PM.
      Armenian colony of Glendale will conquer all of California!

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        Originally posted by Artashes View Post
        Although your post seems tangent (somewhat) to the point I was trying to make, it did not address the heart of my point.
        Aside from "pep" talks & moral boosting, Honor is something to be striven for, for it's own sake.
        The Truth, and Honor are --- real --- things that are indispensable to anyone who desires to be a decent person.
        The turc & the tatar do not even have a concept of what truth is but rather substitute their desires via lies to form a false reality.
        There is no honor in substituting lies for truth.
        I think there is a danger of mixing National values and individual values.
        Not every individual is moral, decent and honourable etc all the time or even part of the time .... even if he/she is an Armenian !!!.

        However National values is something else. They guide (should) national institutions with their moral compass.
        They are values that the nation aspires and expects, They are cast in stone.

        I am referring to the army, police force, church, judiciary, governance etc where individuals members are guided ( should) in the spirit of National values
        even if as individuals do not ( have never ) meet those criteria.
        It should not be too difficult to observe this either in individuals or institutional leaders.

        My point was, it is possible to force a group of people to focus on our national values even for short term by reinforcing them through a pep talk etc.
        However outside this particular environment they will drift to their individual values which may or not be very savoury in society.

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        Last edited by londontsi; 11-24-2014, 11:32 PM.
        Politics is not about the pursuit of morality nor what's right or wrong
        Its about self interest at personal and national level often at odds with the above.
        Great politicians pursue the National interest and small politicians personal interests

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          Armenia: Feeling Betrayed by Russia?

          Armenians are seething over Russia’s possible role in the shoot-down of an Armenian helicopter near the frontlines in Nagorno Karabakh. Feelings of betrayal are such that the popular mood is souring on Armenia’s pending membership in a Moscow-led trade bloc.

          The source of chagrin in Yerevan is the suspicion that the November 12 downing of the Armenian Mi-24 military helicopter, and the deaths of the three-man crew, had a significant Russian connection: Moscow supposedly supplied Azerbaijan with the Strela air-defense system that was used in the incident, according to Karabakh’s de-facto defense minister, Movses Hakobian.

          Armenian leaders are now wrestling with the question of how to respond to Moscow’s perceived indirect involvement. The matter, though not yet voiced publicly by officials, comes at a critical moment for both Armenia and Russia. The Armenian parliament is expected during its upcoming session, which opens December 1, to vote on ratification of Armenia’s agreement on accession to the Russian-led Eurasian Economic Union (EEU).

          While the pact is expected to be ratified, some ordinary Armenians, already uneasy about the deal, believe that the helicopter attack should prompt politicians to reconsider. Russia is heralded by officials in Yerevan as Armenia’s chief strategic ally. But the shoot-down incident has many in Yerevan wondering where Armenia stands in the Kremlin’s eyes.

          “While smiling at us, Russia sells weapons to our enemy, and we have what we have,” fumed 42-year-old Yerevan schoolteacher Anna Markossian. “This is a sign for us to think once more about joining Russia’s EEU.”

          Political analyst Ara Papian agrees. “If Russia is selling weapons to Azerbaijan, how can it be our ally in the world?” asked Papian, who heads the non-profit Modus Vivendi Center in Yerevan. “Such a thing should not happen.”

          Anger appears to be mounting within the de-facto leadership of Karabakh. In a November 17 interview with RFE/RL’s Armenian-language service, Hakobian termed the helicopter attack “painful” for the predominantly ethnic Armenian territory because “we [Armenia and Russia] are allies, strategic allies.”

          “In my opinion, while thinking about its economic interests” in selling weapons to Azerbaijan, “Russia should take into account our interests, too, but this does not happen,” Hakobian said.

          Moscow, which has not recognized Karabakh’s independence, does not consider the territory to be officially an ally.

          Yet while Armenian officials have complained before about Russia’s hundreds of millions of dollars’ worth of arms sales to Azerbaijan, the report that a Strela was used to destroy the Mi-24 helicopter has focused attention inside Armenia on a growing perception of inequality in the Russian-Armenian strategic partnership.

          Moscow, to date, has called for both sides to refrain from escalating tension, but has not condemned the attack. Nor do many Armenians expect it to do so. Russia recently announced plans to build a strategic railway to Iran via Azerbaijan.

          “It speaks to servility, to spinelessness … the fact that Kremlin officials refuse to treat Armenia as a political player,” said human-rights activist Artur Sakunts, a longtime government critic.

          Exacerbating sensitivities in Yerevan, Russia, one of the co-chairs of the Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe’s Minsk Group that oversees the Karabakh negotiations, has not taken public action to pressure Azerbaijan to facilitate the recovery and return of the bodies of the three crew members believed to be killed in the incident.

          Armenia and Karabakh state the individuals were Karabakhi soldiers; Azerbaijan, which declines to have official contact with Karabakh’s separatist leadership, claims the dead are Armenian military personnel.

          Armenian military officials say ongoing exchanges of gunfire in the area where the helicopter went down are preventing a recovery operation.

          Sakunts and other critics fault the Foreign Ministry for supposedly not having done more to secure the bodies.

          Deputy Parliamentary Speaker Eduard Sharmazanov, a member of the governing Republican Party of Armenia, has called on the international community to urge Azerbaijan more strongly to grant access to the helicopter crash site. The International Red Cross’ Yerevan office has stated that it is trying to facilitate matters.

          In response to EurasiaNet.org’s questions about Armenia’s potential response to the attack itself, Foreign Ministry spokesperson Tigran Balaian said “the steps that are taken for obvious reasons cannot be published.”

          One analyst underlined the importance of Armenia’s own diplomatic demarches as it mulls a response to Azerbaijan’s actions.

          “Stronger counter-measures will lead to the escalation of the conflict,” noted political scientist Aghasi Yenokian, director of the Armenian Center for Political and International Relations. “I think reciprocal measures have to be of a diplomatic character and they have yet to decide what kind of answer to give.”

          The threat of further conflict is all too real to many.

          The shoot-down could encourage both the Armenian and Karabakhi forces to embrace a policy of “overwhelming response.” Such an impulse, “risks a new air-war dimension of the Karabakh conflict,” said Richard Giragosian, director of the Regional Studies Center in Yerevan.
          Armenian colony of Glendale will conquer all of California!

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            Exercises of the troops of radiation, chemical and biological protection

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              Տեսանյութ` նվիրված օդաչուների հիշատակին

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                Արցախցի զինվորականների գործողության ընթացքում հակառակորդը երկու զոհ է ունեցել

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                  Idk if you guys might find this interesting. It could end up in Armenia's arsenal one day.



                  The whole concept is a huge Arma 3 reference lol
                  Armenian colony of Glendale will conquer all of California!

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Օդաչուների աճյունները եկեղեցուց դուրս բերվեցին զինվորական կարգով (ֆոտո)

                    25.11.2014
                    Ադրբեջանի կողմից նոյեմբերի 12-ին խոցված հայկական ուղղաթիռի անձնակազմի 3 զոհված անդամների աճյունները այսօր՝նոյեմբերի 25-ին, զինվորական կարգով դուրս բերեցին Երեւանի Նոր Նորքի Սուրբ Սարգիս եկեղեցուց (ֆոտոռեպորտաժ):
                    Օդաչուներին վերջին հրաժեշտը տալու էին գնացել նրանց հարազատներ, ընկերները, ծառայակիցները, հրամանատարները եւ տարբեր տարիքի հարյուրավոր քաղաքացիներ:
                    Նշենք, որ սգո թափորը եկեղեցուց դուրս բերելիս առատ ձյուն էր տեղում:
                    Սգո թափորը այնուհետեւ ուղեւորվեց «Եռաբլուր» զինվորական պանթեոն որտեղ ժամը 14:00-ին տեղի կունենա սգո միտինգ, այնուհետեւ կրկին զինվորական կարգով հողին կհանձնվեն նրանց աճյունները:
                    Հիշեցնենք, որ ԼՂՀ ՊՆ-ի փոխանցմամբ՝ ղարաբաղա-ադրբեջանական սահմանի արեւելյան հատվածի օդային տարածքում նոյեմբերի 12-ին, ժամը 13.45-ի սահմանում ուսումնավարժական թռիչքի ժամանակ ադրբեջանական ԶՈւ-ի կողմից հրադադարի ռեժիմի խախտման արդյունքում խոցվել էր ԼՂՀ ՌՕՈւ «Մի-24» ուղղաթիռը: Խոցման վայրը շփման գծին չափազանց մոտ էր: Հակառակորդը շարունակում էր տարբեր տրամաչափի հրաձգային զենքերից ինտենսիվ կրակ վարել դեպքի վայրի ուղղությամբ՝ թույլ չտալով մոտենալ ուղղաթիռի անկման վայրին: Ուղղաթիռի խոցումից տասն օր անց՝ նոյեմբերի 22-ին, ԼՂՀ զինված ուժերը հատուկ գործողություն իրականացրին, որի արդյունքում դուրս բերեցին եւ ընտանիքներին հանձնեցին Ազատ Սահակյանի դին, Սերգեյ Սահակյանի եւ Սարգիս Նազարյանի մասունքները։


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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Մանվել Գրիգորյանը պարգեւատրել է ուղղաթիռի անձնակազմին տարհանած 7 հոգանոց խմբին

                      25.11.2014
                      ԵԿՄ նախագահ, գեներալ-լեյտենանտ Մանվել Գրիգորյանը պարգեւատրել է խոցված հայկական ուղղաթիռի անձնակազմին տարհանած խմբին: Այս մասին NEWS.am-ի թղթակցի հետ զրույցում ասաց նրա օգնականը՝ Վարդան Վարդանյանը:
                      Մանվել Գրիգորյանը պարգեւատրել է ուղղաթիռի անձնակազմին տարհանած 7 հոգանոց խմբին, նրանցից միայն 2-ն էին ներկա արարողությանը, մյուս 5-ի պարգեւը գեներալը ուղարկել է Արցախ: Դրանից բացի՝ ԵԿՄ նախագահը պարգեւատրել է նաեւ ջոկատի հրամանատարին եւ Պաշտպանության բանակի հետախուզության պետին: Նրանց բոլորին տրվել է ԵԿՄ 20 տարի հոբելյանական մեդալով:
                      Հիշեցնենք, որ ԼՂՀ ՊՆ-ի փոխանցմամբ՝ ղարաբաղա-ադրբեջանական սահմանի արեւելյան հատվածի օդային տարածքում նոյեմբերի 12-ին, ժամը 13.45-ի սահմանում ուսումնավարժական թռիչքի ժամանակ ադրբեջանական ԶՈւ-ի կողմից հրադադարի ռեժիմի խախտման արդյունքում խոցվել էր ԼՂՀ ՌՕՈւ «Մի-24» ուղղաթիռը: Խոցման վայրը շփման գծին չափազանց մոտ էր: Հակառակորդը շարունակում էր տարբեր տրամաչափի հրաձգային զենքերից ինտենսիվ կրակ վարել դեպքի վայրի ուղղությամբ՝ թույլ չտալով մոտենալ ուղղաթիռի անկման վայրին: Ուղղաթիռի խոցումից տասն օր անց՝ նոյեմբերի 22-ին, ԼՂՀ զինված ուժերը հատուկ գործողություն իրականացրին, որի արդյունքում դուրս բերեցին եւ ընտանիքներին հանձնեցին Ազատ Սահակյանի դին, Սերգեյ Սահակյանի եւ Սարգիս Նազարյանի մասունքները։

                      Նրանցից միայն 2-ն էին ներկա արարողությանը, մյուս 5-ի պարգեւը գեներալը ուղարկել է Արցախ...

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