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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Ադրբեջանի ՊՆ-ն փորձել է թաքցնել զինծառայողի ինքնասպանությունը

    Դեկտեմբեր 4, 2014
    Ադրբեջանի ՊՆ՝ Գեդաբեկի շրջանում (սահմանակից է ՀՀ Գեղարքունիքի մարզին) տեղակայված զորամասերից մեկում «անցյալ շաբաթ» (ենթադրաբար՝ նոյեմբերի 24-30) ինքնասպան է եղել պայմանագրային զինծառայող, շարքային Դադաշով Նուրլան Ալի օղլուն։

    Այս մասին հայտնել է ադրբեջանական ընդդիմադիր Meydan.tv հեռուստաալիքի լրատվակայքը՝ հղելով սեփական անանուն աղբյուրին։ Տեղեկության համաձայն, Դադաշովն ինքնասպանություն է գործել ամրակցված ծառայողական զենքից։

    Միջադեպի վերաբերյալ հավելյալ տեղեկություններ ստանալու համար լրատվակայքի խմբագրությունը կապվել է Ադրբեջանի ՊՆ մամուլի ծառայության պետ, գնդապետ Վագիֆ Դարգյահլըին, սակայն վերջինս նշել է, որ ինքը Բաքվում չէ, իսկ «անհրաժեշտ ողջ տեղեկությունը տեղադրվում է նախարարության կայքում»։

    Փաստացի, սակայն, ՊՆ մամուլի ծառայությունը ժամանակին չի հրապարակել միջադեպի մասին տեղեկությունը՝ այդ կերպ փորձելով կոծկել դեպքը։ Հարկ է նկատել նաև, որ այն բանից հետո, երբ Ադրբեջանի նախագահի հրամանով (2014-ի սեպտեմբերի 24) մշակվեց տեղեկատվական անվտանգության նոր հայեցակարգ, պաշտոնական հաղորդագրությունները բանակում և ուժային մյուս կառույցներում զոհերի և վիրավորների վերաբերյալ կտրուկ նվազեցին։

    Նշենք նաև, որ հետևելով բաց աղբյուրների տվյալներին, սա Ադրբեջանի ուժային կառույցներում հայտնի դարձած մահվան ելքով երրորդ միջադեպն է, որը գրանցվել է 2014-ի նոյեմբերին, 84-րդը՝ ողջ տարվա ընթացքում։

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      [Լրացում] ՊԲ զորամասերից մեկում հրազենային վիրավորումից ժամկետային զինծառայող է մահացել
      Դեկտեմբեր 5, 2014

      Դեկտեմբերի 4-ին ժամը 15:40-ի սահմաններում մահացու հրազենային վիրավորում է ստացել Պաշտպանության բանակի հարավարևելյան ուղղությամբ տեղակայված զորամասերից մեկի զինծառայող, 1995թ. ծնված Արթուր Պերճի Մարգարյանը:

      Միջադեպի մանրամասները պարզելու համար տարվում է քննություն, հայտնում է ՊԲ կայքը:

      Պաշտպանության բանակն իր զորակցությունը հայտնել Արթուր Մարգարյանի ընտանիքի անդամներին, հարազատներին և ծառայակիցներին:

      [Լրացում]
      Զինվորի մահվան փաստի առթիվ հարուցվել է քրեական գործ, ինչի մասին հայտնում է ՀՀ քննչական կոմիտեի տեղեկատվության և հասարակայնության հետ կապերի բաժինը:

      Հաղորդագրության համաձայն՝ 2014 թվականի դեկտեմբերի 4-ին՝ ժամը 15։40-ի սահմաններում, զորամասերից մեկի պահակակետից քիչ հեռու հայտնաբերվել է հերթապահություն իրականացնող, նույն զորամասի պարտադիր ժամկետային զինծառայող, շարքային Արթուր Պերճի Մարգարյանը՝ կրծքավանդակի շրջանում հրազենային մարմնական վնասվածքով: Վերջինս զինվորական հոսպիտալ տեղափոխելու ճանապարհին մահացել է:

      Դեպքի առթիվ ՀՀ քրեական օրենսգրքի 110-րդ հոդվածի 1-ին մասով ՀՀ ՔԿ ԶՔԳՎ-ում հարուցվել է քրեական գործ, կատարվում է նախաքննություն: Նշանակվել են դիակի դատաբժշկական, ինչպես նաև՝ մատնադրոշմային, դատաձգաբանական-դատահետքաբանական համալիր փորձաքննություններ: Ձեռնարկվում են անհրաժեշտ միջոցներ՝ քրեական գործով լրիվ, օբյեկտիվ և բազմակողմանի քննությունն ապահովելու համար:

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Բաքվում ՌՈ բաժանմունք բերման ենթարկված զինծառայողին օրեր անց գտել են սպանված

        Դեկտեմբեր 4, 2014
        Ադրբեջանական լրատվամիջոցներում հայտնվել է սպանված զինծառայողի մասին հերթական տեղեկությունը, որը տեղ չի գտել պաշտոնական լրահոսում։ Զինված ուժերի՝ Թարթառի շրջանում տեղակայված զորամասերից մեկի պայմանագրային զինծառայող Շիրալիև Խալիդ Էլեսգեր օղլուի դին 2014-ի նոյեմբերի սկզբին գտել են Բաքվում՝ 3 օր անց այն բանից հետո, երբ նրան բերման են ենթարկել ռազմական ոստիկանություն՝ զորամասից փախուստի դիմելու համար։

        Ինչպես հայտնում է ադրբեջանական «Լրագրողական հետաքննությունների կենտրոնի» կայքը, սպանված զինծառայողի մայրը պատմել է, որ որդին փախել էր զորմասից՝ չդիմանալով այնտեղի պայմաններին։ Նա մանրամասնել է, որ զորամասում անընդհատ ծեծում էին որդու ծառայակիցներին։

        Փախուստից հետո՝ հոկտեմբերի 31-ի առավոտյան, ռազմական ոստիկանության աշխատակիցները եկել են Խալիդի հետևից ու նրան տարել բաժանմունք։

        Հաջորդող օրերին զինծառայողի հարազատները չեն կարողացել կապվել նրա հետ։ Սկզբում նա չի պատասխանել զանգերին, հետո նրա հեռախոսը եղել է անջատված։ Փորձելով որևէ տեղեկություն ստանալ Խալիդի մասին՝ հարազատները գնացել են ռազմական ոստիկանության Բաքու քաղաքի բաժանմունք, որտեղ հանդիպել են փոխգնդապետ Ֆեյզի Հուսեյնովին, ով վստահեցրել է, որ անհանգստանալու կարիք չկա, որովհետև նրանց որդուն ուղարկել են այն կայազոր, որտեղ նա ծառայում է։

        Երեք օր անց, սակայն, Խալիդի բնակարան են զանգահարել Բաքվի «Սեմաշկո» հիվանդանոցի դիահերձարանից և հայտնել, որ նրա դիակն այնտեղ է՝ չհայտնելով, սակայն, մահվան հանգամանքները։ Ավելի ուշ դիահերձարանում արված և հրապարակված լուսանկարներից պարզ է դարձել, որ Շիրալիևի մարմնի տարբեր հատվածներում՝ այդ թվում գլխի շրջանում, կան լուրջ վնասվածքներ, ինչից կարելի է ենթադրել, որ զինծառայողին սպանել են։

        «Լրագրողական հետաքննությունների կենտրոնից» դեպքի վերաբերյալ փորձել են տեղեկություն ստանալ դատախազությունից, սակայն մամուլի ծառայության ներկայացուցիչը հայտնել է, որ մանրամասներ առայժմ չունեն և կհաղորդեն, երբ այդպիսիք լինեն։

        Հավելենք, որ հետևելով բաց աղբյուրների տվյալներին, 2014-ին սա Ադրբեջանի բանակում և ուժային կառույցներում հայտնի դարձած մահվան ելքով 85-րդ միջադեպն է:

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Chubs View Post
          So, based off what we saw on armstrade, Armenia has 54 PT-72Us?

          Hmmm, maybe they will show them off at the victory day parade next year


          Here is good sum up of improvments for new users: http://tanknutdave.com/the-polish-pt...dy-qhardq-mbt/
          the information says its 84 not 54, but polish company denied the information about modernization.

          The parade in Yerevan is in 2016, in Artsax 2017

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Another interesting analysis from an azerbaijani perspective.

            Putin's visit to Turkey: messages, offers, opportunities ... - Analysis


            [ 05 December 2014 12:52 ]

            On December 1, Russian President Vladimir Putin paid a visit to Turkey to attend the fifth session of High-Level Russian-Turkish Cooperation Council. Putin met with Turkish President Recep Tayyip Erdogan and Prime Minister Ahmet Davutoglu as part of the visit characterized as a "state visit" by the Russian side to emphasize its importance.

            The issues on cooperation in economic, trade and energy sectors and political issues of the international agenda were discussed at the session chaired by the presidents of the two countries and attended by 10 ministers from each side. At the end of the session, 8 documents on cooperation were signed between the two countries. At a joint press conference held following the session, Erdogan and Putin gave important messages regarding the abovementioned issues.

            First of all, Putin's visit to Turkey draws attention in terms of its time. The time of the visit has important political, economic and security motives. In terms of policy, this visit took place in a period when Turkey was experiencing significant problems with the West regarding democratic political regime, EU membership and foreign policy in the Middle East. In terms of economy, the visit came up when Turkey was characterized as possessing one the world's most fragile economies and its exports to the Middle East market decreased. In terms of security, the visit took place when the Turkish officials accused the West, particularly the United States on intending to overthrow the political power and sabotage the process of negotiating with the PKK through their direct or indirect messages.

            On the other hand, the visit is of great importance to Russia. Thus, the visit took place when Russia’s relations with the West aggravated in the political, economic, military spheres due to the Ukraine crisis and the country began suffering from it more. Russian authorities had increased activity in other vectors of foreign policy for several months to balance the tension in relations with the West. Kremlin’s activity in the Far East focused on the relations with China. $400 billion energy deal signed with China is the most important example of it.

            Russia’s messages of its intention to sign new agreements with Japan in energy field can be regarded as its effort to involve Tokyo in this process. The second important policy vector is Iran, its traditional ally. By signing a nuclear deal with Iran last month, Moscow got a chance to gain significant economic benefits and conveyed message of its intention to use "Iranian card" against the West. Putin's visit to Turkey shows that the third direction of Russia's foreign policy is Turkey within the framework of balanced relationship.

            Under the existing conditions, Putin's visit to Turkey was of great importance to Russia in terms of policy, economy and energy. From the political point of view, this visit is important at least to mitigate cold relations with Turkey especially caused by the Syrian issue, take side with Turkey which has problems with the West or at least to maintain the current balance of Turkey. In an interview to Anadolu agency ahead of his visit, Putin stressed that Turkey, despite the Western pressures, takes an independent position with regard to Russia. It is clear to understand the same intention from the statements made for the press regarding the Syrian issue after Putin-Erdogan discussions in Ankara. According to the press statements, the Syrian issue remains the most problematic issue. However, considering the contradictory positions taken by the two countries after the Syrian issue, the styles used and the steps taken in the expression of positions, you may notice that after the visit, the relations between the parties are smoothing.

            Recall that as Prime Minister, Erdogan openly accused Russia during the electoral campaigns, Turkey forced a Russian plane to land in the airport and it was checked, and Putin's visit to Turkey in 2012 was reportedly postponed because of discontent. During their last meeting in Ankara, Putin and Erdogan stressed that the situation in Syria is not normal and there is a consensus in solving the problem, but there are still disagreements on the way of resolving this problem. The same careful style which involves cooperation can be observed in the Ukrainian crisis, especially in the issue of Crimean Tatars and mutual messages on the issue of ISIL.

            From the economical point of view, the significance of Turkey increase for Russia which is facing serious problems related to food security, foreign investment and foreign trade relations due to the Western embargo. At a press conference, Putin and Erdogan declared the purpose of increasing annual trade turnover of $32 billion to $100 billion by 2013.

            This is of economic, psychological and political importance for the Russian market though this goal was not a new message; Erdogan expressed dissatisfaction over the balance of 25/7 in trade relations with Turkey against it and experts had serious doubts about realization of this goal. Putin’s call on Turkish investors to invest in various sectors can be characterized in this context in a period that Western investment left Russia. Putin’s reminding the role of Akkuyu NPP and Russian tourists in cooperation are important strokes in terms of demonstrating Russia's strategic and economic importance.

            Putin’s visit also testifies Turkey’s increasing strategic importance for Russia in the energy sector. Turkey can be characterized for Russia as the largest energy market and a transit country. Along with the gas agreement between the two countries signed in 1984 and the Blue Stream gas pipeline, Turkey’s permission to the transition of the South Stream pipeline through the Black Sea shows that the cooperation has entered into a new stage. Putin’s visit was memorable with the messages to further strengthen this cooperation. Putin announced that from 1 January 2015 six percent gas price discount was primarily granted to Turkey, and if Turkey is able to enter the domestic gas consumer market, the provision of new discounts could be considered. As a result of the discussion held between both presidents, Russia has agreed to increase gas export to Turkey by 3 billion cubic meters annually.

            Moreover, the Russian president laid out new proposals aimed at balancing Ukraine’s transit potential and delaying the realization of renewable energy projects through Turkey. Putin proposed the loading of Russian gas into an additional gas storage facility to be built on the Turkey-Greece border after constructing a new gas pipeline and from there its sale to South Europe. In this regard, he threatened the European Union with halting the construction of the South Stream gas pipeline in the example of Bulgaria. Putin’s gas pipeline proposal is also intended to jeopardize the same-purpose TANAP.

            And Ankara’s silence over this proposal can be explained with both Ankara’s desire to become a “global-scale energy bridge” coinciding with the proposal and the opportunity it can create for Turkey to mitigate competition with Russian in the energy area.

            In general, Putin’s visit to Turkey can be considered crucial in terms of easing political problems in relations between the two countries and energy cooperation which is of trade-economic and increasingly strategic importance. A new impetus to cooperation between Turkey and Russia can create a chance of maneuver for Azerbaijan that is seeking balance in foreign policy and tone down the balance of power in the region which is gradually turning more severe. However, all these messages bear no signs that this positive impact would affect the threats posed by Russia’s growing interest in the post-Soviet area and the balance in the South Caucasus as well as the Karabakh issue. Perhaps in the first place there is a need to create a new format consisting of an Azerbaijan-Russia-Turkey tripartite which would discuss issues like the Islamic State threat, the Ukrainian crisis and energy cooperation. In addition, we can also claim that it’s already time to create a new mechanism comprised of an Azerbaijan-Armenia-Russia-Turkey quartet aiming to achieve a solution to the Karabakh problem in the context of peace and security in the South Caucasus.

            Dr. Nazim Jafarov, exclusively for APA Analytical Center

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by HyeFighter2 View Post
              the information says its 84 not 54, but polish company denied the information about modernization.

              The parade in Yerevan is in 2016, in Artsax 2017
              Hyefighter I wish you paid some more attention, if you remember the way the tanks were going to be delivered. It was going to be 24 in 2013, 30 in 2014, and 30 in 2015. 30 plus 24 is 54. We are already coming up on 2015, this year is over.

              You had one source, that denied that claim. (It wasn't even an official source, but rather one Polish website with a global security theme.) One source, with dozens of other outlets still reporting that the deal is happening, even international media. If you can link me to that source again, I do recall a serious flaw with it. MoD has neither confirmed nor denied it, but one polish source claims Bumar denied it. Ask yourself, just for a moment...Why would dozens of media outlets continually report on false information if they knew it wasn't true? How many months has it been??? Im sure they are not stupid, even Azeri media stops reporting on "interests" taken for big weapons from other nations. And again, ask yourself, why wouldn't MoD just deny that information outright? Why just let it linger if the company denied it and it was not happening? This is so painfully obvious. If Bumar was denied access to Armenia's tanks after EEU integration, then they would have been compensated by their home government, as with other Polish companies. Lubawa-Armenia just opened! After the announcement of EEU integration. Where are they now? Did Poland and NATO tell them to ditch Armenia immediately? No lol, Iraq is a US ally, that doesnt stop Russia from selling advanced weaponry to them. Poland is interested in penetrating the Eurasian market, and getting access to it through using their military industrial complex.


              Armenia is having a VICTORY DAY parade with Russia in Armenia next year. We dont know what is going to be shown off, we know its mostly Russian but you never know what Armenia will whip out.


              EDIT: IT looks like its been exactly one year since news outlets began reporting on it, this is according to armvesti's date of publication of their article. Hyefighter, please explain to me why dozens of news outlets, not just including armvesti but most of Armenian media and international media associated with Armenia, continue to report on this after a freaking year?


              EDIT2: Just realized the video I posted was from December 4th 2013 lol..Should have read the date, considering I posted it on December 4 2014...xD
              Last edited by Chubs; 12-05-2014, 11:06 AM.
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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                It would be a moronic move for Poland to scuttle a $100 million dollar deal simply because the EU doesn't like Armenia choosing EEU over a DCFTA with the EU. European countries want to have more influence over Armenia, not less. Not only that but Poland is trying to grow its military-industrial sector and logic dictates that these interests will come first unless Poland will get punished by the EU somehow for it. Which I doubt since Poland is a key player in the EU's anti-Russian wing which makes it a valuable player to keep happy and Armenia's just not that important enough to get pissy over.
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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by Federate View Post
                  It would be a moronic move for Poland to scuttle a $100 million dollar deal simply because the EU doesn't like Armenia choosing EEU over a DCFTA with the EU. European countries want to have more influence over Armenia, not less. Not only that but Poland is trying to grow its military-industrial sector and logic dictates that these interests will come first unless Poland will get punished by the EU somehow for it. Which I doubt since Poland is a key player in the EU's anti-Russian wing which makes it a valuable player to keep happy and Armenia's just not that important enough to get pissy over.
                  Exactly, the best way to reel a country into your sphere of influence is through economics and business, just ask Russia. This deal is huge, 100 million dollars. Bumar is not gonna just scrap it completely because EU figureheads told them to. Thats not how the weapons industry works. In fact, that report (the one claiming the company denied the deal ever took place) came a little bit after 2013 or mid-way/at the of end. Lets all remember, where this source actually came from. It came from someone inside MoD who leaked it to the media. I wouldnt be surprised if Bumar did deny they did a deal in order to help retain any secrecy the deal had in the public. Most of what is going on with this deal is conjecture, but hopefully it turns out to be true. Armenia is most likely paying for each tank set separately each year, rather than 100 million up front of course.
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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Offtopic, but interesting: http://www.ft.com/fastft/246771/geor...ncies-collapse

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Originally posted by armnuke View Post
                      A bit sensationalist dont you think?
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