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  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

    Emergency in Azerbaijani Army

    Siranuysh Papyan, Interviewer
    Interview - 02 April 2015, 16:21


    The situation at the state border can be defined as stable escalation.
    I think there is no reason to think that the Azerbaijani side will
    observe the ceasefire.

    The fact is that since the crackdown in the forest of Gyulistan a few
    weeks ago the enemy has not attempted another attack against us. It is
    also a fact that what happened on those days was one of the biggest
    failures of the Azerbaijani army in the recent time. Over this time
    Baku has been busy with "selling its losses". Considering the
    demoralizing potential of one-time high toll, this time too the enemy
    used its frequent trick, i.e. inform the public on part of the losses,
    gradually, with intervals of several days.

    Currently, unprecedented attempts are made in Azerbaijan to prevent
    spread of news on border incidents. There is information on total
    control over the telephone conversations of soldiers. Even superficial
    mentioning the situation at the border during telephone conversations
    of soldiers will result in criminal liability. In other words,
    everything is being done to keep the public unaware of the failures of
    the Azerbaijani army and especially their enumerable losses. Judging
    by this style, Baku is apparently afraid that the Azerbaijani
    population will "break down" after such failures, the Transcaucasian
    Turks will become convinced that they are dealing with a strong enemy,
    will put up with the loss of the territory of Artsakh. Nevertheless,
    we must be ready that as soon as the enemy comes round from this
    failure, it will again resort to aggression.

    Mr. Jamalyan, the servicemen killed at the border are mostly 18-20
    year olds who are at the front line. What is your opinion, how should
    this issue be resolved?

    This issue actualizes regularly. Why are the conscripts standing along
    the border? The concern of our compatriots is understood. What can I
    say about this?

    First, unfortunately, not only conscripts but also contractual
    servicemen and commanders are killed at the border. A considerable
    section of the border is guarded by contractual units. Moreover, the
    process of recruitment of contractual units is actively going on.
    Every citizen of the country can roll up for military service. As to
    conscripts, they do their job well. Evidence to this is the failed
    attacks of the enemy. After all, the front units accept the strike the
    first.

    We must be realistic. We cannot refrain from involving conscripts in
    the protection of the state border - the country has limited
    resources. Our goal is to make sentry duty safer. This is an ever
    actual problem, Minister Ohanyan's focus of constant concern. By the
    way, Minister Ohanyan himself has authored a number of peculiar
    engineering solutions for the improvement of military posts.

    Freedom fighters announce now and then that they are beside soldiers,
    they must be at the front line.

    The readiness of the freedom fighters to defend the border is the
    proof that we are strong, we are proud of this. Last August, as well
    as on these days we understood that our freedom fighters are beside
    our soldiers at the border. Last August my impression was that our
    freedom fighters who visited the positions were missing the defeating
    of Turks. But I would like to stress that our freedom fighters back
    our army and are one of its main forces but the freedom fighters
    cannot replace the professional army. A few days ago our front units
    pushed back the offensive of the enemy's elite units in the forests of
    Artsakh, chased them and destroyed them. What other proof of defense
    capability is needed to become convinced that our army is
    professional. It is another issue that we should not be overwhelmed
    with success. The army is a living being and sustaining such level of
    defense capability requires daily, invisible work requiring immense
    energy.

    It is very important for the enemy to believe that our units on sentry
    duty are capable. The point is that the enemy's reconnaissance intends
    to reveal the vulnerable spots of our defense. In this regard, our
    victory at Gyulistan is notable because it prevented a large-scale
    aggression.

    What details of the incident of Gyulistan are known to you? How did
    the Azerbaijani reconnaissance fail?

    I think we need to go into detail. The reinforced commando could not
    break through our defense, and shortly after the fight started it
    recoiled and retreated chaotically. In addition, the fight began in
    the area between the positions where we and the enemy were in equal
    conditions, not near the position where our staff, being defended, has
    an initial advantage over the commando. Even in this case the enemy
    could not startle our conscripts. I would like to underline that the
    guys fought in an organized way, were more resistant and with the help
    of the forces sent from neighboring positions they were able to send
    the enemy running.

    It is also notable that high-ranking officials were participating in
    the fight. Shortly after the fight began Lieutenant General Hakobyan,
    the commander of the Defense Army, arrived. In other words, we kept
    the situation under control. Our chasing units professionally used
    controllable fire to force the enemy towards a minefield, in the
    result of which the enemy sustained more losses. On the whole, the
    enemy had around 20 losses, over ten were wounded. The greatest
    success of the enemy was the evacuation of the bodies and the injured
    personnel from the battlefield.

    I don't want to exaggerate what happened, paint it in brighter colors.
    We had painful losses and we bow to their families. But we also have a
    reason to be proud. It is very important for our compatriots to learn
    about the feat of our front units, trust that work is being done in
    the army which is producing results. I have had an opportunity to say
    and I repeat that such an army deserves the trust of its people.

    What are the conclusions from the failure of the enemy's commando?

    Although one cannot underestimate one's enemy, nevertheless, the fact
    is that the Azerbaijani army lacks professional personnel. We have
    information that in the subversive operations of the recent period,
    namely after the August beating, the enemy has been involving veterans
    of war for a significant fee. There is a question why. I think the
    answer is obvious - the lack of personnel who are psychologically
    ready to fight, who can stand a battle, because one of the most weak
    sides of the enemy is the chaotic retreat of the members of commandoes
    shortly after the beginning of the fight. In other words, the enemy is
    trying to fill in the gap of personnel ready to fight all the way
    through with hired veterans. I think you will agree that this is a
    desperate action because, I repeat, it indicates insufficient training
    of special units. On the other hand, involving hired veterans in
    special operations is convenient in terms of hiding the possible
    losses. You know, we can hardly imagine that but hiding the death of
    soldiers killed in a battle is something very typical of the
    Azerbaijani reality. There is information that the hired veterans
    acknowledge in written form that their relatives will not be informed
    if they die in a battle. Anyway, even the involvement of hired
    veterans did not produce the anticipated result.

    What is the way out of this situation?

    I have stated earlier that the enemy's recent commando and sniper
    activity, aside from military purposes, intends to shape an unhealthy
    psychological atmosphere in Armenia. The enemy is trying to create the
    impression of permanent killings and mature the idea of surrendering
    liberated Artsakh against this heavy psychological backdrop. And since
    we have no right to cede even a patch of land, we have only one way
    out - painful counteraction.

    Minister Ohanyan has set one goal before his team - not to wait until
    the Azerbaijani side will take the initiative, hit all the time and
    painfully, not letting the enemy to come round. Thanks to this we have
    prevented a lot of attacks recently. It will continue until Azerbaijan
    acknowledges that it has lost Artsakh forever.


    General Antranik (1865-1927): “I am not a nationalist. I recognize only one nation, the nation of the oppressed.”

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    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

      We should have taken full control of Azerbaijan when we had the chance!

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      • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

        Originally posted by HyeFighter2 View Post

        we had PASGT helmets long ago, before Lubawa was made, we got those from Greece or Serbia, the ones we will get from Lubawa are Mich2000 helmets, not PASGT.

        About PT72U iam not sure we will get those, since we joined EUAsian union, but before that Poland wanted to modernize our army so we will join EU instead, probably we will see T72B3 in 2016
        Yes, like every damn Army in the world, we had PASGT helmets in use in a small, insignificant way. (This actually happened after the US lifted the aid ban on Armenia in 2002)

        Did you even click on the link? They manufacture PASGT helmets. Only after Lubawa popped up did we see PASGT helmets become the norm in the military. There are no other places Armenia can buy them from in such mass quantities. We know Armenia is buying helmets, it could be both PASGT and MICHs. MICHs are much more expensive.

        We had PASGT helmets in small numbers a long time ago, it was NEVER the standard issue helmet in the army. The picture you are showing is special forces. Again, Im not saying Im right but I dont think you can dismiss that so easily, especially in the manner you just did.

        The Army used 6b28 helmets alot more than the PASGT, but all those are gone now after Lubawa? Where else is Armenia getting them?

        T72B3 in 2016
        You still haven't presented a single damn source for that. I want to believe you considering the T72B3 is better, but you haven't presented ANY sources.

        I know your English skills are extremely good hyefighter, try and go back an re-read the post and click on the link.


        According the sources used, Armenia already paid partly for the modernization before they announced EEU integration. Much like the Mistral warship acquisition for Russia, a country can't rip you off just because you did something they didn't agree with. Armenia either would to have been refunded or the Polish company would have been brought to court.
        Last edited by Chubs; 04-06-2015, 10:12 AM.
        Armenian colony of Glendale will conquer all of California!

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        • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

          Originally posted by Shant03 View Post
          We should have taken full control of Azerbaijan when we had the chance!
          Originally posted by Artashes View Post
          --- land is everything ---
          The stolen lands the "azer" turc has accumulated throughout their criminal history in these lands is *** EVERYTHING *** to them.
          They are --- NOT --- going to stop in their fraudulent criminal (homicidal, genocidal ,) endeavor.
          Their is no land within sight of present day Armenia (Hayastan + Artsahk ) that isn't land that was stolen from Hayastan by murder and other torturs.
          I agree with Eddo, if we take the land , then and only then will they stop these --- MURDEROUS --- atrocities they continue to perpetrate upon us.
          The gloves have to come off or things will continue.
          *** LAND *** is the only the monkey understands.
          Nothing else .

          They don't care about life.
          We need a much larger buffer between our lands and them. We need direct access to Russian border.
          They are not going to stop or learn without taking land from them. Then and only then will they stop the constant aggressive conduct.

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          • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

            Originally posted by Artashes View Post
            We need a much larger buffer between our lands and them. We need direct access to Russian border.
            They are not going to stop or learn without taking land from them. Then and only then will they stop the constant aggressive conduct.
            Maintaing good relations with Georgia would suffice, a border isn't completely necessary. Occupying historically tribal "Azerbaijani" (Joke name) lands north of the Kura river will lead to a large scale insurgency within these territories. You are just spewing out nationalistic armchair general BS.

            Stopping the aggression can only be done by assassinating Aliyev, disarming the Azeri Army, and liberating the national minorities. The balkanization of Azerbaijan is the only way to stop this madness.

            Or we could just hit the dam and re-create the create Kura Lake and watch Shirvan become the next Turkish Atlantis.



            Azerbaijan can be easily balkanized, it is an artificial nation with a national identity worse than Jordan. All you have to do is seed political instability and separatism. The Azeri government knows this, and that is why it tried to assimilate and cleanse their national non-Turkic minorities. They successfully did that in Nakhchivan, and tried to do it in Artsakh. They were stopped.
            Last edited by Chubs; 04-06-2015, 11:23 AM.
            Armenian colony of Glendale will conquer all of California!

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            • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

              Originally posted by Chubs View Post
              Yes, like every damn Army in the world, we had PASGT helmets in use in a small, insignificant way. (This actually happened after the US lifted the aid ban on Armenia in 2002)

              Did you even click on the link? They manufacture PASGT helmets. Only after Lubawa popped up did we see PASGT helmets become the norm in the military. There are no other places Armenia can buy them from in such mass quantities. We know Armenia is buying helmets, it could be both PASGT and MICHs. MICHs are much more expensive.

              We had PASGT helmets in small numbers a long time ago, it was NEVER the standard issue helmet in the army. The picture you are showing is special forces. Again, Im not saying Im right but I dont think you can dismiss that so easily, especially in the manner you just did.

              The Army used 6b28 helmets alot more than the PASGT, but all those are gone now after Lubawa? Where else is Armenia getting them?



              You still haven't presented a single damn source for that. I want to believe you considering the T72B3 is better, but you haven't presented ANY sources.

              I know your English skills are extremely good hyefighter, try and go back an re-read the post and click on the link.


              According the sources used, Armenia already paid partly for the modernization before they announced EEU integration. Much like the Mistral warship acquisition for Russia, a country can't rip you off just because you did something they didn't agree with. Armenia either would to have been refunded or the Polish company would have been brought to court.
              there is no sources for T72B3, its just the best thing Armenia can get, but Lubawa denied talks about PT72U officially.As i said The PASGT helmets for SF we got probably form Greece, after that US was giving us equipment for Peacekeepers, i noticed that on the frontline everyone has PASGT now, maybe they have all PASGT to army and SF with Peacekeepers will get MICH

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              • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                Originally posted by HyeFighter2 View Post
                there is no sources for T72B3, its just the best thing Armenia can get, but Lubawa denied talks about PT72U officially.As i said The PASGT helmets for SF we got probably form Greece, after that US was giving us equipment for Peacekeepers, i noticed that on the frontline everyone has PASGT now, maybe they have all PASGT to army and SF with Peacekeepers will get MICH
                Lubawa doesn't even modernize tanks, Bumar does, they denied it but MoD did not, and International media continued to report it. Im willing to believe they were in negotiations at the time.

                I agree, special forces including recon units will receive MICH, while army receives PASGT, but I sincerely believe Lubawa is the one supplying the army with PASGT helmets.

                I am interested in body armor for the special forces. We know Armenia is buying it, but what is it buying and which units will receive it?


                EDIT: Mher here is a new source that I hope isn't overly optimistic as you say, its from the CIA proganda network Radio Liberty

                Defense Minister Seyran Ohanian on Friday hinted at Armenia’s impending acquisition of state-of-the-art Russian ballistic missiles capable of striking targets more than 400 kilometers away.
                Last edited by Chubs; 04-06-2015, 12:39 PM.
                Armenian colony of Glendale will conquer all of California!

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                • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                  Originally posted by Chubs View Post
                  Maintaing good relations with Georgia would suffice, a border isn't completely necessary. Occupying historically tribal "Azerbaijani" (Joke name) lands north of the Kura river will lead to a large scale insurgency within these territories. You are just spewing out nationalistic armchair general BS.

                  Stopping the aggression can only be done by assassinating Aliyev, disarming the Azeri Army, and liberating the national minorities. The balkanization of Azerbaijan is the only way to stop this madness.

                  Or we could just hit the dam and re-create the create Kura Lake and watch Shirvan become the next Turkish Atlantis.



                  Azerbaijan can be easily balkanized, it is an artificial nation with a national identity worse than Jordan. All you have to do is seed political instability and separatism. The Azeri government knows this, and that is why it tried to assimilate and cleanse their national non-Turkic minorities. They successfully did that in Nakhchivan, and tried to do it in Artsakh. They were stopped.
                  Disagree. Land is the single thing they'll understand.
                  Our opportunity to set free and work with the indigenous people between us and Russia is both golden and ripe.
                  There has to be a wider buffer between us for our security. Absolutely !!!
                  A direct corridor to Russia is a flat game changer.

                  Assassinate baboonieve ??? Not going to solve the issues but only muddy them. I'm not even sure that knot head is worth a bullet. Also a poor way to go without the gain of land and access. Jerkieve is the leader of millions of like minded turcs (azer). Killing one of them is not gonna change the fundamentals. Concrete land acquisition and positional advantage to comprehensively stop this bloody crap is the direct path to solution.

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                  • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                    Originally posted by Artashes View Post
                    We need a much larger buffer between our lands and them. We need direct access to Russian border.
                    They are not going to stop or learn without taking land from them. Then and only then will they stop the constant aggressive conduct.
                    Originally posted by Chubs View Post
                    Maintaing good relations with Georgia would suffice, a border isn't completely necessary. Occupying historically tribal "Azerbaijani" (Joke name) lands north of the Kura river will lead to a large scale insurgency within these territories. You are just spewing out nationalistic armchair general BS.

                    Stopping the aggression can only be done by assassinating Aliyev, disarming the Azeri Army, and liberating the national minorities. The balkanization of Azerbaijan is the only way to stop this madness.

                    Or we could just hit the dam and re-create the create Kura Lake and watch Shirvan become the next Turkish Atlantis.



                    Azerbaijan can be easily balkanized, it is an artificial nation with a national identity worse than Jordan. All you have to do is seed political instability and separatism. The Azeri government knows this, and that is why it tried to assimilate and cleanse their national non-Turkic minorities. They successfully did that in Nakhchivan, and tried to do it in Artsakh. They were stopped.
                    Originally posted by Artashes View Post
                    Disagree. Land is the single thing they'll understand.
                    Our opportunity to set free and work with the indigenous people between us and Russia is both golden and ripe.
                    There has to be a wider buffer between us for our security. Absolutely !!!
                    A direct corridor to Russia is a flat game changer.

                    Assassinate baboonieve ??? Not going to solve the issues but only muddy them. I'm not even sure that knot head is worth a bullet. Also a poor way to go without the gain of land and access. Jerkieve is the leader of millions of like minded turcs (azer). Killing one of them is not gonna change the fundamentals. Concrete land acquisition and positional advantage to comprehensively stop this bloody crap is the direct path to solution.
                    --- disarming the azer army and liberating the minorities ---
                    Who would do that and not secure both and adequate buffer and a direct path to Russia?
                    Whether their army is disarmed or driven to understand where the line is , is much added effort.
                    You have said what I have said, except you keep baboonistan intact while I change the borders.
                    Land acquisition means changed borders.
                    Not only are the azer turcs fraudulent in their claim to indegenious rights , but the borders are fraudulent as well.
                    Both the turcs to the east and the west prize the land they have stolen by murder and torture above all else.
                    Both have repeatedly shown their willingness to turn a blind eye to --- ALL --- the heinous cruelty they have exhibited toward all that they have overwhelmed in their murderous criminal intrence to the Armenian highland and the Anatolian peninsula. Not forgetting no dought everywhere else they went.
                    ---- they are not going to change ----
                    My reading is what's posted. Our military is now slamming harder without hesitation. We are doing far more preemtives.
                    Unfortunately this is not going to change. They will continue. They are obnoxiously stupid. They don't care about the live of their soldiers. Not going to stop this conduct.
                    It's all about the land.

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                    • Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

                      Those are great points you stated artashes I completely agree,there are positive and nagative sides to establishing borders with Russia.1)border with Russia will resolve the closed border issue,we would have one more open border and would be 3 out of 5 open borders,Azerbaijan would be weak by that point so not trading with them won't be the end of the world2)Russian border would give us a chance to be closer to Asian and European markets thus we would be closer to the caspian.3)Georgia won't have border advantages and have a final say on us since their border won't be the only way out yo Europe and arms transfare would be as easy as passing a luggage from one side to another.we should also look at the nagative side of establishing borders 1)I'm afraid with expanding a border with Russia we have to face some risks,1:we would be more criticized by the international community and we would be more separated from any international support and regional or International projects,since those lands are officially theirs altough it's all bs and those lands are historically ours,but the world Dosent care as we can see from karabakh conflict 2)a border with Russia would make us more dependent to Russia and we would have be in danger of invasion anytime Russia is unsattisfied with our choice regarding new allies with Europe or etc like it happened to Georgia,at least we know we don't have to deal with a superpower now

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