Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Eddo211]

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Armenian lion is expert on Ground Force Vehicles, but also learning the birds.

Armenian Eagle is my brother he is a expert on Aviation, but also learning us lions. His Signature is

Your Armenian Eagle

I wouldn't mind rubbing wings with him.......lol, just kidding, I meant formation flying 20ft separation or less in canyons.

Azerbaijan will not stand a chance if we had a good Airforce. We could pave the road to Baku for you ground hoggs.

[armnuke]

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I wouldn't mind rubbing wings with him.......lol, just kidding, I meant formation flying 20ft separation or less in canyons.

Azerbaijan will not stand a chance if we had a good Airforce. We could pave the road to Baku for you ground hoggs.

If you have the best ground forces in the world, it's nothing without a strong air force

[burjuin]

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Armenian Air Defense

[Mher]

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Do you even know the definition of a source? Copy-pasting does not equal being a "source". And I wouldn't make too much out of that if I were you.

However, there were some statements regarding the credit status. Russia may be unlikely to meet their credit obligations to Armenia in short term. You guys are talking about the negative effect of low prices on Azerbaijan all day, and forget that Russia is in no better position when it comes to that. Then you expect that Russia will subdue this and that when they are in a bad economical situation?

I know in your country's delusion version of reality Armenia is just a colony of Russia, that Armenia would be eradicated off the map without Russia, and that Russia won the war for Armenia...

but in 2015 while the Russian economy shrank my more than 3 percent, the Armenian economy grew by more than 3 percent. While the Ruble collapsed-again- the AMD was the strongest currency in all of the former USSR. While Russian foreign exchange reserves declined, Armenia's continued to gain.

I know in your delusional reality Armenia is somehow sustained by Russia, but we existed 3,000 years before Russia ever reached the Caucasus, and I assure you we will exist if they are ever gone. While you hinge your hopes on the faint chance that Armenia might not receive a loan that may have been used for weapons, the Armenian military budget will still grow this year, while yours was just cut by 70%.

Ok, and Russia is still entirely dependent on oil prices as well.

http://www.panarmenian.net/rus/news/204197/

While some 40% of the Russian budget comes through energy, 75% of the Azeri budget comes from energy. While there is no end in sight of Russian energy resources, Azerbaijan already started declining in energy production five years ago. While the average income in Russia is more than 10,000 dollars, the average income in your country is probably a third of that after the latest devaluation.

Yes, that's why Russian ruble has devaluated several times, and no Russia didn't absolutely burn through a tremendous amount of reserves to save it, which they let go at the end. Central bank is not Azerbaijan's main reserves, it's the oil fund which remained untouched until now.

I think you need to learn a few basics of economics before you post again. And if you think your country's political leaders actually have $30 billion in reserves, but are not using it to save themselves, and are risking their own power, just for the best interest of the future country, then you'll have a few surprises coming your way.

By the way, before you ever think Russia helped Armenia in any war look up Operation Ring and Operation Goranboy. The only victories in battle for Azerbaijan was fought by the slavs.

[Aslanov]

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Almost every economical activity in Armenia is tied to Russia, what's more, they recently joined a economical union, and transfers from Armenian diaspora in Russia is vital for Armenian families, which has obviously taken a big hit. So who's in delusion?

You shouldn't take everything you read claimed somewhere as a fact. Few pages back you were commenting on an article that claimed (citing some organization) there would be supposed cuts in salaries of soldiers, while in the same article you could read that this was denied by MoD, which you didn't care for of course. But you know what's funny? There has been a 10% increase last week. There is no actual information on such such a % of cut. Armenia may or may not recieve the said loan, it's really not all that significant amount as you guys and Armenian authorities make it to be.

The spending and everything else will be adjusted to new currency levels, the new budget will be more than $17 billion. It's only 1 billion less than Kazakhstan's 2016 budget.

http://anspress.com/index.php?a=2&lng=az&cid=2&nid=370484

[Etchmiadzin]

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Almost every economical activity in Armenia is tied to Russia, what's more, they recently joined a economical union, and transfers from Armenian diaspora in Russia is vital for Armenian families, which has obviously taken a big hit. So who's in delusion?

You shouldn't take everything you read claimed somewhere as a fact. Few pages back you were commenting on an article that claimed (citing some organization) there would be supposed cuts in salaries of soldiers, while in the same article you could read that this was denied by MoD, which you didn't care for of course. But you know what's funny? There has been a 10% increase last week. There is no actual information on such such a % of cut. Armenia may or may not recieve the said loan, it's really not all that significant amount as you guys and Armenian authorities make it to be.

The spending and everything else will be adjusted to new currency levels, the new budget will be more than $17 billion. It's only 1 billion less than Kazakhstan's 2016 budget.

http://anspress.com/index.php?a=2&ln...d=2&nid=370484

According to the azeri MoD statements Azerbaijan have lost 19 soldiers in 2015 so numbers doesnt seem to be its strong side or maybe its the armenian army that need to practice in fire accuracy.
Considering the past military budgets of Azerbaijan doesnt show the same superiority on the ground capabilities as it do on paper it should mean that 1 dollar spent by Azerbaijan did not buy as much as 1 dollar spent by Armenia.

[Aslanov]

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Azerbaijan has purchased $4-5 billion of arms from Russia alone in last few years (from 2010 onwards). And here is a source if you ask: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2589210

Are you saying that there has been a comparable spending by Armenia? There has been transfer of second-hand S-300 systems from Russian army stocks, delivery of a battalion (31 units) of T-72 and some BTR-70/80. Probably also some howitzer cannons such as D-30 or D-20.

Azerbaijan's purchase of Russian arms includes a broad list of various types of weaponry.

S-300PMU2, the latest of S-300P family. These are not even slightly comparable to S-300s in Armenian inventory.
Mi-35M/Mi-17. Mi-35M are vastly improved over older hinds, with modern sighting systems, use of more improved AT missiles, shorter wing & fixed landing gear, more powerfull engine and rotors of Mi-28, which greately enchantes its flight performance.
T-90S (Azerbaijani version are improved over Russian T-90A in certain aspects, a newer model of Shtora, automatic target tracking capability, AC), Azerbaijan also purchased armored bridge layers and engineering vehicles based on T-90S.
BMP-3 (with Vesna-K sighting system with thermal imager and automatic target tracking)
BTR-82A
TOS-1A
Smerch
Msta-S self-propelled howitzer, 2S31 Vena self-propelled gun/mortar system

Azerbaijan has also bought hundreds of 120mm 2S12A Sani mortars, Igla-S MANPADs & Kornet AT missiles.

There were significant contracts with other countries as well, in particular Israel, including for the needs of ground forces (artillery systems including guided rocket artillery, Spike AT missiles etc).

[Etchmiadzin]

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Azerbaijan has purchased $4-5 billion of arms from Russia alone in last few years (from 2010 onwards). And here is a source if you ask: http://www.kommersant.ru/doc/2589210

Are you saying that there has been a comparable spending by Armenia? There has been transfer of second-hand S-300 systems from Russian army stocks, delivery of a battalion (31 units) of T-72 and some BTR-70/80. Probably also some howitzer cannons such as D-30 or D-20, but is it really anything significant?

Azerbaijan's purchase of Russian arms includes a broad list of various types of weaponry.

S-300PMU2, the latest of S-300P family. These are not even slightly comparable to S-300s in Armenian inventory.
Mi-35M/Mi-17. Mi-35M are vastly improved over older hinds, with modern sighting systems, use of more powerful and modern AT missiles, shorter wing & fixed landing gear, more powerfull engine and rotors of Mi-28, which greately enchantes its flight performance, including hovering. BTW, Azerbaijan paid nearly $500 million for 24 of them (only the cost of helicopters themselves).
T-90S (improved over Russian T-90A in certain aspects, a newer model of Shtora, automatic target tracking capability, AC)
BMP-3 (with Vesna-K sighting system with thermal imager and automatic target tracking), BTR-82A
TOS-1A, Smerch
Msta-S, 2S31 Vena 120mm self-propelled gun/mortar system (it's not just a "mortar")

Azerbaijan has also purchased arms from other countries as well of course, in particular Israel, where there has been also multi-billion contracts.

No what Im saying is Azerbaijan spent tons of money on offensive weapons that look good on paper but still would not be able to win a war if it were to start one.
You seem to believe that Azerbaijan is 90% more powerful than Armenia because its budget is 10 times larger, If both countries had the same military budget Azerbaijan would dissappear in a future war.

[Aslanov]

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You were saying that Azerbaijan's spending on paper haven't been reflected in reality, which is definetly not the case.

[Etchmiadzin]

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Well im sure that if the main focus of Azerbaijan wasnt killing armenians then they could have captured some territory without starting a war because Armenia have done that.
If Azerbaijan is as superior as you seem to believe why not just capture Karabakh within a couple of hours and be done with it or is it because you guys are so peace loving.