Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Shant03]

Re: Military Recognition: Armenia and Artsakh

They need to step up with their social media and overall PR game. If I were Armenia I would park those 29 tanks or whichever ones still function, side by side and post pictures. I would take atleast 50 of those 300 bodies and take a picture with close ups of their uniforms.. we need to destroy their moral and a great way of doing that is to shut all these turks on social media up by showcasing it.

[Federate]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

We are of full scale war.......lets not fool ourselves.
Fed knows what I mean.

I would not say full scale but definitely a war. It will become full scale the moment the first shell hits Stepanakert.

[Azad]

Re: Military Recognition: Armenia and Artsakh

They need to step up with their social media and overall PR game.

The best thing we can do is exposed the alyiev family's corruption and the timing of the war that started to distract their population.

http://forum.hyeclub.com/showthread.php/19721-Regional-geopolitics/page168?p=368911&viewfull=1#post368911

[400Army]

Re: Military Recognition: Armenia and Artsakh

[Eddo211]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

This should remain war between Azeris and Artsakh (not Armenia).......position is 90 percent of ownership.

So, are we going to be happy if Azeri Army returns to start position and we go back to our good old defense positions. Is this what we want!!!! are we going to let them get away from their failure using scale attack on the frontline using everything they got (including the kitchen sink) but except their shiny Mig-29s, like I said years ago they will not bring in their Migs.

constant shelling of Stepanaket will be too late. We must liberate our TERRITORIES East of contact line and hold it.

Why can't we shell Baku......we can close that gap now during time that Azeri moral is low and they failed to accomplish their mission. Fck CSTO

[Shant03]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Hopefully we start hearing some good news...

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

So, are we going to be happy if Azeri Army returns to start position and we go back to our good old defense positions. Is this what we want!!!!

This is the only timing the alyiev will be able to do anything. Oil prices are going to stay low for a long time. He will not be able to buy any additional armaments let alone keep his country and people under control. There is going to come a time where he is going to be on the run and the country will be in disarray, by then we will rearrange the border as we want. All we have to do now hold on for less than a year for him to be toppled. Soon!

[ASALA2116]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I would not say full scale but definitely a war. It will become full scale the moment the first shell hits Stepanakert.

If a full scale war erupts , a lot of diasporans are coming. People are just waiting to see what's going to happen. I think Azerbaijan is going to suffer a major defeat. Armenians are pumped for this and all we have to do is absolutely unleash fire power on the enemy with no restrictions. Basically burn every maggot you see heading towards us. Turks have no soul and I am like them. I am a product of there own creation . I am ASALA, I'm a Tashnag, a Hunchak a Sasountsi with Kilikia blood . I'm an animal .. They want to kill our men , we will enslave there's.

[Artashes]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I would not say full scale but definitely a war. It will become full scale the moment the first shell hits Stepanakert.

I agree, it's war but definitely not "full scale".
Our military is showing a great deal of restraint and discretion.
Originally Artsahk wanted to naturally join Hayastan but was prevented by world community for geopoliticle self serving interests. This actually worked in our favor as Artsahk is an "invisible" garage for us (Hayr).
All this is a smoke screen for those who can't or won't comprehend the truth. Think about it, Armenia doesn't recognize Artsahk , lol. Let me rephrase that ... Armenia doesn't recognize Armenia. The world gamers can suck that up, but we know reality.
Our forces are showing (1) great restraint, (2) great resolve, (3) wonderful professionalism, (4) a coolness that is part of our nature, (5) too much more to enumerate.
Monkeys came at us with virtually everything and we simply respond like its a ping pong game and knock the ball back to them. They are belittled and are to proud and stupid to know it.
Full scale war and baboons are toast. They'll never look the same.

[ninetoyadome]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

De Waal: Kremlin 'Not Primary Actor' Behind Nagorno-Karabakh Conflict
April 4, 2016 - 10:19pm, by Arzu Geybullayeva Armenia Azerbaijan Nagorno-Karabakh Russia
A EurasiaNet Partner Post from: RFE/RL
A noted Western expert on the Caucasus says tensions between Azerbaijanis and Armenians over the region of Nagorno-Karabakh make their dispute one of the most menacing unresolved conflicts from the time the Soviet Union was breaking up in the early 1990s.

But Thomas de Waal, a senior associate with Carnegie Europe who specializes in Eastern Europe and the Caucasus region, rejects the view that recent fighting has been orchestrated by Moscow as part of a larger Kremlin strategy to hold sway in the region.

Formerly a journalist who covered Russia and the Caucasus region, de Waal is the author of one of the most authoritative books on Nagorno-Karabakh, Black Garden: Armenia And Azerbaijan Through Peace And War. De Waal tells RFE/RL's Azerbaijani Service that he rejects the conclusion of Western experts who view Moscow as a primary actor behind the recent outbreak of fighting in the disputed region.

Nagorno-Karabakh, populated mainly by ethnic Armenians, declared independence from Azerbaijan amid a 1988-94 war that claimed an estimated 30,000 lives and displaced hundreds of thousands of people. Diplomatic efforts to settle the conflict have brought little progress.

RFE/RL: What are your thoughts about the collapse of the cease-fire in Nagorno-Karabakh and the resurgence of fighting between Azerbaijani and Armenian troops?

De Waal: This is the kind of really bad incident that a lot of us have been fearing for some time. It looks like a really bad breakdown of the cease-fire. The problem is that the cease-fire line, the line of contact, is so militarized now. There's all this heavy weaponry on either side -- including aircraft and drones and helicopters being used. It is spring, which is also a traditional time when the cease-fire starts to get broken -- in the spring and in the summer.
When the cease-fire gets violated, it's usually on political grounds. It's not by accident that there is a strong political chain of command going up from the commanders all the way up to the top.

RFE/RL: There is a tendency for some in the West to see Russia as an instigator trying to manufacture a situation where it can intervene and deploy Russian peacekeepers on the ground in Nagorno-Karabakh. Do you think it is part of a game being played or orchestrated by Moscow?

De Waal: Personally, I think it is a mistake to think that Moscow is the primary actor. I think Armenia and Azerbaijan are the primary actors in this conflict. And Moscow is a strong secondary actor, but it is not manipulating everything. It is not running the show.

The person who is the most senior diplomat involved in the conflict is [Russian Foreign Minister] Sergei Lavrov. He knows the conflict incredibly well, meets the presidents regularly, and has a new peace plan, we are told, which he has been pushing and seems to involve some Russian peacekeeping element.

But the Russian military is a little bit in Armenia and in Daghestan -- but it's not in Azerbaijan. So there's not a lot that the Russian Defense Ministry can do. They can certainly have some influence on the Armenian side but not particularly on the Azerbaijani side. We're talking about Lavrov and, perhaps, [Russian President Vladimir] Putin getting on the phone.

RFE/RL: How would you respond to those who see the hand of Russia behind the collapse of the cease-fire, particularly at a time when the president of Azerbaijan was in Washington to attend the nuclear summit that Russia skipped?

De Waal: I'm skeptical that Russia can organize violence on the cease-fire line [in Nagorno-Karabakh.] Obviously, it looks a bit curious that the president is in Washington and, suddenly, fighting breaks out on the ground -- and then the Kremlin calls for peace.

But I think we should be a little cautious about that because both the Armenian and Azerbaijani militaries are very strongly independent. They don't like to be pushed around by Moscow. Traditionally, the side that breaks the cease-fire more is the Azerbaijani side because they don't like the status quo of their land occupied. So they have more reason to break the cease-fire.

But once things get going, once the fighting gets started, then that becomes a bit irrelevant because both sides exchange fire and do operations across the front line. So it's incredibly hard to say who started it. And at some point, that becomes irrelevant.

RFE/RL: The Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe (OSCE) has meetings in Vienna on April 4 and 5 to address the cease-fire collapse in Nagorno-Karabakh. Is that something that can make a difference? Or how else can the international community make a difference diplomatically?

De Waal: The OSCE Minsk Group is no longer so powerful as it was. Basically, they work at the pleasure of the presidents of Armenia and Azerbaijan. They try to manage the cease-fire. They try to organize things between the presidents [of Armenia and Azerbaijan]. But they are certainly not running the show.

The people who can make a difference [in diplomacy] are basically in Washington and in Moscow, in particular. But even there, I think it's actually very hard once a military operation is there on the ground for any third party to stop things on the ground. There are only six OSCE monitors in the region. There are no peacekeepers. The only thing is to do political pressure, which is obviously easier from Moscow. But even there, Nagorno-Karabakh is the No. 1 national issue both for Armenia and Azerbaijan. They don't always listen to Moscow if they think it doesn't suit their national interest.

RFE/RL: Who has the most to gain from the collapse of the cease-fire and what does that tell us about what needs to be done to stop the fighting?

De Waal: I think the Azerbaijani side is quite negative about practicing the cease-fire without any political process because they see that it basically normalizes the status quo in which Azerbaijani lands are occupied. What this proves is that there is a need for a bigger political intervention to try to restart the political process. But to do that, you need the cooperation of Moscow and Washington. You need them to agree on who the peacekeepers will be. And it is much harder for Washington and Moscow to agree on these kind of things now than it was a few years ago.

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