Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Shant03]

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I'm a little concerned to be honest, from what I have read (included in this thread). I get the feeling Serzh has came to the realization that Moscow doesn't have our back, which is why he released an anti-russian statement while in germany with Merkel.

“It’s deplorable that not only Russia but also other CSTO member states sell weapons to Azerbaijan; unfortunately, we have limited abilities to influence such decisions,” Sargsyan said.

I think he's trying to get the EU to do something about this as the EEU and Russia haven't run to his aid. I could be and hope I am wrong but this is what I get when reading between the lines..

[Eddo211]

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Chok yasha Bash komander Aliev... Lol
Bizim birliq pirizidenti... Lol

We should give Aliyev Medals .......lol to heart attack.




To Shant

NKR by itself defused the situation while drinking tee and playing cards......what makes you think Armenia needs any help.They are turning away volunteers of their own.

Armenia can destroy Azerbaijan without any help from Russians or anyone. They should consider themselves lucky since the orders to advance on Azeri held territory, our land doesn't come.......stupid politicians.

[Vrej1915]

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Truth might be, if the shooters are in fact turkish Grey wolves.
It may even sound pretty logical.
In first war, when they (Haydar, KGB shnik by culture) used this tactic that dates back WWII era NKVD , they most of the time used afghan talibans as disciplinary platoons, to make sure they will not hesitate to shoot the "azerbaijanis" (big chunk being made of Tats, Lezgins, Talish or Avars as a matter of fact).
It won't be surprising, if this time they asked the job from turkish gray wolves??

What I can say, it is very likely to be genuine, for very objective reasons:
- I am not sure we could have fabricated, in such short notice, such a video, since we were the ones caught by surprise, for timing and localisation, turn of events...
- It can hardly be a tape from elsewhere, since too many topographic details match the actual terrain and prove it is genuine.

I put here some some very objective elements:
- The shape of Mt Mrav range is very chracteristic in the background.
- The colors of the mountain range are very identical to Mr Mrav range (forest cover, the altitude of forest cover)
- The snow cover on the Mrav range. It happens that this snow cover is very identical to our actual days, and on the first and second days of the attack, snow did fall on that sector. Hard to create such a coincidence in such short notice, even if ever possible for our technical specialists.
- The valley of Inja river, well seen on the tape, rather profound, compared to the other possible valley of Tartar (flat terrain).
- That sectors looks pretty identical to the location of Taparaghoyunlu village, facing Talish, on the northern shores of Inja river.
- We have objective reasons, as a matter of fact proofs, that there was a panic escape, not even a retreat, from Talish and from Arsvashen (Nor Seysulan) by the UAV photos circulating, in which we do see some 21 corpses in Arsvashen direction, and at least 6 corpses in Talish.
- So we do know for sure, there was a panic escape from Talish, the day after snow covered the sector.
- We have a video coressponding pretty much to the terrain, and showing a panic escape from what seems very similar to Talish side towards Taparaghoyunlu.

With all these elements, apart from the fact that I am pretty sure it is genuine, I prove it is very, very likely it is genuine.
And it is very unlikely, it could be recycled material from an other time, other spot, for these obvious facts.

Now, azerbaijanis being pretty used to falsifications, and given their habit of accusing us from all their own behaviour, it is evident that they will try to use this arguments.

All this put aside, the simple argument proving veracity and potential disturbing capacity for the regime.
The video is being sabotaged, as being violent or shocking.
I have seen nothing such in it.
Not even slightly violent.
So why does their state use this to censure the tape?

[Shant03]

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To Shant

NKR by itself defused the situation while drinking tee and playing cards......what makes you think Armenia needs any help.They are turning away volunteers of their own.

Armenia can destroy Azerbaijan without any help from Russians or anyone. They should consider themselves lucky since the orders to advance on Azeri held territory, our land doesn't come.......stupid politicians.

I wasn't implying we need Russia's help in terms of fighting, I think Serzh is realizing russia isnt going to do something that's not in its best interest. So he's reaching out to the EU to find a long term solution.

[Hakob]

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There is a reason that we don't see many materials with Azery corpses littering the fields. The first war.
They used to leave their corpses before retreating and that became a high propaganda materials in our hands. Azery population could see the battlefields filled with their dead.
Now I think they try to remove as much as they can. Not to leave evidence of what really happened

[Vrej1915]

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There is a reason that we don't see many materials with Azery corpses littering the fields. The first war.
They used to leave their corpses before retreating and that became a high propaganda materials in our hands. Azery population could see the battlefields filled with their dead.
Now I think they try to remove as much as they can. Not to leave evidence of what really happened

For the last 5-6 years, they have a very well organised discipline, when it comes to diversias they organise against our lines.
What I say dates before this latest attack of April 1, but may perhaps apply to their SF operations? Needs to be checked.

When they did sent a SF group against our lines, for each SF attacker:
- they previously signed a contract with every men, individually, specifying the right of the ministry to hide their death, their burial place, etc... untill a certain period, and the obligation of the state to take care of their families, etc... , and the right of the state to hide their fate indefinately.
- they joined for every SF man, 2 other men, not trained to fight, but trained to take care of the corpse of their man, if shouted. Some may even not be armed at all. They usually had a big corpulance, in Armenian we call this type Yez.
- usually this corpse transporters fallowed the attacking party in a second group.
- their N1 and existential order being to let no corpses behind.

I must say, this strategy did pretty well function.

If you do remember, the major attack on Gyulistan posts a year or so back, from the other side of the Inja river (Gyulistan village occupied). Our men did destroy the attacking team, and realising pretty well the situation, they jumped out of their defended positions, pursuing the corpse transporter group, heavily charged with the corpses, but pretty unable do use arms, and destroyed this group under their own trenches, on the northern slopes of Inja.

[Hakob]

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There was two more diversion attempts tonight and they were thrown back.
Amazing.
I am starting to think that those are done under persistent orders from Aliev himself. Anybody else ordering would be answerable for why so many With failures.
Do you guys think Aliev is starting to loose it?
Have to be obsessed to keep those going.

[arakeretzig]

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They will keep infiltrating until they can kidnap some soldiers to have as a bargaining chip. Meanwhile, we have an attrition war which they know hurts us more since we value every soldiers life, and also because the losses are felt more on our side, because of the smaller population we have.
I'd say their strategy might start to work in a few years, if the situation persists. Then politicians might be forced back to negotiating table with hard concessions. But a full-scale war is a big risk for Aliyev, if he loses another war, then he will be another kaddafi.

[Vrej1915]

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10:19 - 7 / 04 / 2016
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[Azad]

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Do you guys think Aliev is starting to loose it?

Yes, he is loosing it. I was just reading the attached linked. Few days ago they were asking jews for support now they are crying sounding like a little betches. Why doesn't the world and jews help us, it is not fair. Not fair! Aboush.

http://www.jpost.com/Israel-News/Politics-And-Diplomacy/Azeri-envoy-to-US-explains-why-world-ignores-Nagorno-Karabakh-focuses-on-Israel-450512