Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[arakeretzig]

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The same dashnags who thought the young turks were a god send ? Wouldnt be surprised.

[Shant03]

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The same dashnags who thought the young turks were a god send ? Wouldnt be surprised.

The same dashnags who donate over 6 million within a week, the same dashnags that volunteer the moment the sirens go off. As Mher said, I would consider myself Pro-Armenian vs affiliating myself to a specific party. But to bring up something from over a century ago, twist it, and try to use it as an argument is a waste of everyone's time.

[Vrej1915]

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I think this is the interview. He is saying they falsified his speech or misquoted him something like that. Any clarification would be helpful.
NB: I can't understand what he's saying, so If its the wrong interview I am sorry.

I will not translate all the interview, just the part that seems to interest you.
This is not the actual interview with RFE. It is the reaction to the misinterpretation.
Basically he denies anything suggested in the article, stipulating that the Tashnak can consider abandoning land.
He says there are 2 kinds of factors:
-animal fear in very troubeled periods
- animal anti Tashnak sentiments.

He does not want to react to animals, and anybody with slightest brain capacity would have guessed there was nothing such said in his words....

[arakeretzig]

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The same dashnags who donate over 6 million within a week, the same dashnags that volunteer the moment the sirens go off. As Mher said, I would consider myself Pro-Armenian vs affiliating myself to a specific party. But to bring up something from over a century ago, twist it, and try to use it as an argument is a waste of everyone's time.

Disagree. It shows they have a track record of idiotic policies. Lets not even bring up ignoring general antranik. Just saying it would not surprise me if they would suggest such a thing.

[Vrej1915]

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Disagree. It shows they have a track record of idiotic policies. Lets not even bring up ignoring general antranik. Just saying it would not surprise me if they would suggest such a thing.

Basically you say that you belong to second part part of A.Vartanian's classification, concerning the Tashnaktzutyun.

[Vrej1915]

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latest findings:
1- they accuse us once more, with the credit of inventing swiming mines able to use rivers to target poor azeris...
2- They identified a new sniper woman from our footages from the front: Mrs Markarida, the lady presiding the Soldier's Mother organisation, most of the time trying to avoid non combat losses in our army...

http://lratvakan.am/?p=62443&l=am/adrbejanakan+kayqi+achqin+miayn+hay+dipukaharner+en+erevum+

3- They forbid their people, from making photos from the vaaaast territories they captured, to avoid showing what it is all about...
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Azerbaijani Defense Ministry reacts to independent photos and videos from liberated territories


Baku. Hafiz Heydarov – APA. Azerbaijan’s Defense Ministry has appealed to all users of social networks in the country.

Members of governmental and non-governmental organizations, representatives of the public and media outlets, who visit the territories recently liberated by Azerbaijani armed forces, regularly share on social networks the photos and videos they shoot in those lands, the Defense Ministry told APA on Friday.

The dissemination of these photos and videos poses a threat to the safety of Azerbaijani soldiers serving on the frontline and is of interest to enemy intelligence, the ministry said, calling for removal of these photos and videos.

“It is strongly recommended no to disseminate such photos and videos in the future,” the ministry stressed.

The defense ministry noted that inspired by the latest counter-offensive operations carried out successfully by the Azerbaijani Armed Forces, the people of Azerbaijan withhold no support for the army in a variety of ways.

According to the ministry, these efforts by citizens, who are in high enthusiasm after the Azerbaijani military’s battlefield successes, have been made on a voluntary basis.

“We would like to reiterate that the ministry has not asked for any assistance. However, on behalf of the Defense Ministry we thank all for any kind of support provided voluntarily,” said the ministry.

“At the same time, we would like to note that the Armed Forces are shown comprehensive attention and care by our state—personally by President of the Republic of Azerbaijan, Supreme Commander-in-Chief Ilham Aliyev, and issues of maintenance and supply are effectively taken care of on a regular basis,” the ministry concluded.

[Vrej1915]

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[burjuin]

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Soldiers on the Frontline

[Mher]

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The same dashnags who donate over 6 million within a week, the same dashnags that volunteer the moment the sirens go off. As Mher said, I would consider myself Pro-Armenian vs affiliating myself to a specific party. But to bring up something from over a century ago, twist it, and try to use it as an argument is a waste of everyone's time.

X2
the ARF has had plenty of issues, but one thing you can count on, to a point of fault, is consistency in their nationalism.


it would have been interested to know how things would have gone differently had they not been banned and won the 1995 elections. Of course though, the painful question is how things would have gone if Sargsyan hadn't been assassinated.

[Mher]

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Interesting 1993 NYT article on the capture of Hadrut and Karvachar

Caucasus City Falls to Armenian Forces
Published: August 24, 1993

BAKU, Azerbaijan, Aug. 23— The Azerbaijani Defense Ministry acknowledged today that Azerbaijani forces had been forced to withdraw from the crucial city of Fizuli in the face of continued Armenian pressure from the disputed territory of Nagorno-Karabakh.

The loss of Fizuli, which is south of Karabakh and controls roads into southwestern Azerbaijan, is the most recent setback for the oil-producing former Soviet republic and threatens to send more refugees across the Aras River, the frontier between Azerbaijan and Iran.

The total number of Azerbaijanis displaced by the five-year war between Armenia and Azerbaijan over Nagorno-Karabakh is now approaching one million, according to United Nations officials. A half million Armenians have been displaced by the conflict, which pits self-determination of minorities against territorial integrity of existing states. The war has left up to 10,000 civilians and soldiers dead. Peace Efforts Fail

Repeated international efforts to negotiate a settlement have failed, most recently because the Karabakh Armenians have taken advantage of internal political turmoil in Azerbaijan to pursue independence and eventual union with Armenia.

After driving all Azerbaijanis from the territory in 1992 and early 1993, the Karabakh Armenians, openly backed by Armenia despite hardships there caused by an Azerbaijani embargo, began attacks on Azerbaijani territory, creating waves of new refugees.

The first region to fall was Lachin, between Karabakh and Armenia, in May 1992. This was followed last April by the fall of Kelbajar, a finger of Azerbaijan extending between Karabakh and Armenia from the north; its capture in effect stitched Karabakh to Armenia from north to south.

That also resulted in the first international condemnation of Armenian aggression against Azerbaijan, summed up by United Nations Resolution 822, which demanded an immediate Armenian withdrawal. Campaign of Depopulation

Rather than comply, however, the Armenians of Karabakh continued forcibly depopulating areas of Azerbaijan to the north, east and now south of the territory.

Despite promises made by the political leadership in the Karabakh capital, Stepanakert, to abide by a series of internationally brokered cease-fires in June and July, the military leadership of Karabakh has continued the campaign. In July, Armenian forces forced out the defenders of Agdam, Azerbaijan, looting and burning the city. That created 100,000 more refugees.

Officials in Armenia and Karabakh continue to deny that their forces ever entered Agdam. According to them, Armenian forces have not entered Fizuli either, but have remained on the high ground around the strategic town.

Fizuli, a city of some 50,000 residents in normal times but reduced to a ghost town before its fall, controls access to a swath of southwestern Azerbaijan with about 300,000 residents. The city was virtually surrounded by Armenian forces over the last month. Fighting between the Armenians and the poorly equipped Azerbaijani defenders led to the evacuation of civilians last month. 'Nightmares About Situation'

"As an official of the United Nations, I can say that we are doing all we can," said Mahoud al-Said, the representative in Azerbaijan of the United Nations Secretary General, Boutros Boutros-Ghali. "As a human being, though, I have nightmares about the situation we are currently facing."

Mr. Said and a group of foreign diplomats toured the stricken region last week and were shot at on two occasions by Armenian forces. One attack was near Fizuli and the other near Zengelan -- which was controlled not by forces from Karabakh but by the Armenian Army.

The group described regional centers and smaller towns emptied of people and tens of thousands of refugees gathered in fields and along roads. A Western diplomat in the group described defenses as nil.

"It is not a matter of whether the Armenians can take the region, but when," the diplomat said. -------------------- PRO-IRANIAN IS OUSTED

BAKU, Azerbaijan, Aug. 23 (AP) -- Demonstrators ousted a pro-Iranian warlord today from the capital of a "republic" he had proclaimed in southern Azerbaijan, Acting President Heydar Aliyev said.

Hospitals reportedly were inundated with casualties from the fighting between supporters and opponents of Alikram Gumbatov, a retired Army colonel who had declared the Talysh-Mugan Autonomous Republic.

Mr. Aliyev said in a television speech that Mr. Gumbatov had fled Lenkoran, a city of 126,000 on the Caspian Sea about 130 miles south of Baku, the capital. His whereabouts were unknown.

An estimated 10,000 protesters gathered over the weekend outside Mr. Gumbatov's headquarters in Lenkoran to demand his ouster. Mr. Aliyev said Mr. Gumbatov's gunmen opened fire on the crowd, which stormed the building and forced him to flee.

The Azerbaijani Popular Front, a coalition of political parties that organized the protest, said there were many casualties. But neither the Popular Front nor officials in Baku gave a specific toll.

Mr. Gumbatov proclaimed the region a republic within Azerbaijan on Aug. 7. Although he is a former Communist Party official, he reportedly was allied with the Islamic fundamentalist Party of God; most Azerbaijanis are moderate Muslims.

Photo: An Azerbaijani soldier, wounded in fighting in Fizuli, being helped to a helicopter for evacuation to a medical center. Troops were forced to withdraw in the face of Armenian pressure on the strategic town. (Reuters) Map of Azerbaijan showing location of Fizuli.

http://www.nytimes.com/1993/08/24/world/caucasus-city-falls-to-armenian-forces.html