Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Azad]

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The only place that tanks could roll from Artsakh towards the direction of Mingachewour would be the Mataghis valley. Most likely the idiots are flooding themselves in the terter area. Open the waters from the Mataghis dam and send them little gifts with the water.

Most likely the area west of the bridge in the city of terter by the water. They can see the road "advancing" Armenian tanks and "protect" the bride. See map.

[Federate]

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Armenian soldier with $5,000 night vision scope (NVWS-4). Rifle appears to be AK-74M or AK-101.

[Hakob]

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The following European countries allow beards. I doubt their armies are suffering any of the symptoms you describe. In addition to these countries, many other countries allow beards during wartime in foreign places like Afghanistan.

Austria
Denmark
Germany
Italy
Netherlands
Spain
UK


Nice!



What are these bizarre stereotypes? Beards are actually not allowed in the Syrian military (neither the Iraqi Army or the Lebanese Army if you want to go with Arab or Muslim stereotype) but Iran allows them. You know who else doesn't permit any kind of facial hair in their military, even during combat? Turkey.

Those countries you mentioned have a long standing tradition of military discipline and culture based on national statehood.
We on the other hand are battling very rooted Soviet/Russian traditions that still carry the effects of serfdom and soviet repression where a fiew privileged could bend any rules as they wish. We are battling the dreaded dedovschina traditions where older serving soldiers had by a right to treat newcomers as servants. Make their lives a hell and use them for self ego fullfilment, creating clan/mafia type environment where number one casualty was discipline and official authority.
If you allow beard and individual preferences like that it will be used to enhance unequal personal relations. In soviet army the mustache was not outlawed. But there was an unwritten law that only Stariks (solders in their last half year of service) could keep them. If a novice tried to do so, he would pay for it dearly. Beaten up and pressured to shave. But on the other hand the "stariks" had them as a sign of superiority. Everyone knew that mustaged stariks banded together and they were unofficial rulers in barracks. They could give orders to any newbie to clean up their booths, do loundry for stariks, run for food, do their beds, clean anything that was pointed etc. They had to hand over their home packages to stariks to enjoy, even give up new uniform to them etc. There were rapes (never reported), beatings and sometimes murder commited by stariks. Nobody came forward to point finger in fear of payback from other stariks.
The favorite form of punishment by stariks was to order other conscripts to pull a blanket over the guy and beat him with belts and sticks. There was no refusing, refuser would be subjected to the same.

You see? It has been a very hard struggle by our military in eradicating this kind of behaviors, and the last thing we need is to allow soldiers to shape themselfs according how they like.
Maybe in a couple of generations, yes. But not now.
I remember very clearly, if a private encountered another private but with a mustage, he had to treat this guy as an unofficial officer and submit to his orders. Even low ranked officers were afraid from stariks and left them alone, free from drills and stuff.
No thanks. No beard or anything like that.

[Vrej1915]

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Today from Edik Baghdasaryan: ( can someone translate this? Not quite sure what he means- he could be making a joke)

Ադրբեջանցիները համոզված են, որ հայերը հարձակվելու են։ Այսօր Մինգիչաուրի դիմացի դիտակետերից մեկում նոր համալրված տեխնիկայով հակառակորդի բոլոր տեղաշարժերն էինք նայում։ Նրանք լրիվ մեր ափի մեջ էին։ Սպաներից մեկն ասաց, որ հակառակորդը դիրքերի դիմաց ջուր էր լցնում եւ պաշտպանական նոր հողաշերտեր է կուտակում։ Ասում է, ջուրը լցնում են, որ մեր տանկերի առաջխաղացումը կանգնեցնեն։ Մի խոսքով, հակառակորդն անցել է խորը պաշտպանության։

- The azaris are (now) convinced, that the Armenians are going to (counter)attack.
- Today, while being in one of our positions facing Minketchavur equipped with newly acquired technical means, we were watching all the moves of the adversary.
- They were totally in our hands (expression meaning we dominate their place).
- One of the officers said, they were building new defensive earthwork, while digging flooded ditches in front (like medieval fortresses).
- He said the water barrier is stop the advance of tanks.
- In one word, the enemy is (changed strategy) to deep defense (see what the vice minister of defense said yesterday).

[HyeSocialist]

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- The azaris are (now) convinced, that the Armenians are going to (counter)attack.
- Today, while being in one of our positions facing Minketchavur equipped with newly acquired technical means, we were watching all the moves of the adversary.
- They were totally in our hands (expression meaning we dominate their place).
- One of the officers said, they were building new defensive earthwork, while digging flooded ditches in front (like medieval fortresses).
- He said the water barrier is stop the advance of tanks.
- In one word, the enemy is (changed strategy) to deep defense (see what the vice minister of defense said yesterday).

What are the chances that they have actually depleted all of their special forces?

It sounds like they're getting ready to attack Artsakh again but know that they might get pushed bank and thus need defensive positions.

[Federate]

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Those countries you mentioned have a long standing tradition of military discipline and culture based on national statehood.
We on the other hand are battling very rooted Soviet/Russian traditions that still carry the effects of serfdom and soviet repression where a fiew privileged could bend any rules as they wish. We are battling the dreaded dedovschina traditions where older serving soldiers had by a right to treat newcomers as servants. Make their lives a hell and use them for self ego fullfilment, creating clan/mafia type environment where number one casualty was discipline and official authority.
If you allow beard and individual preferences like that it will be used to enhance unequal personal relations. In soviet army the mustache was not outlawed. But there was an unwritten law that only Stariks (solders in their last half year of service) could keep them. If a novice tried to do so, he would pay for it dearly. Beaten up and pressured to shave. But on the other hand the "stariks" had them as a sign of superiority. Everyone knew that mustaged stariks banded together and they were unofficial rulers in barracks. They could give orders to any newbie to clean up their booths, do loundry for stariks, run for food, do their beds, clean anything that was pointed etc. They had to hand over their home packages to stariks to enjoy, even give up new uniform to them etc. There were rapes (never reported), beatings and sometimes murder commited by stariks. Nobody came forward to point finger in fear of payback from other stariks.
The favorite form of punishment by stariks was to order other conscripts to pull a blanket over the guy and beat him with belts and sticks. There was no refusing, refuser would be subjected to the same.

You see? It has been a very hard struggle by our military in eradicating this kind of behaviors, and the last thing we need is to allow soldiers to shape themselfs according how they like.
Maybe in a couple of generations, yes. But not now.
I remember very clearly, if a private encountered another private but with a mustage, he had to treat this guy as an unofficial officer and submit to his orders. Even low ranked officers were afraid from stariks and left them alone, free from drills and stuff.
No thanks. No beard or anything like that.

Let the unwritten rules die with the Soviet Union. Dedovshchina will exist regardless of whether or not someone grows facial hair on his face. An officer who is corrupt will beat you up whether or not he has facial hair, as has been the case for the last 25 years. Allowing soldiers of all ranks to optionally grow well-trimmed/groomed beards is discipline in itself. Breeds a culture of trust and evokes the spirit of our historic warriors.

[Federate]

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Highly recommended:
You can see how close the positions are to each other, sometimes less than 30 meters apart.
You can also see one of the positions that we've 'lost' but, we're now in a better/higher position some 50 meters away from the initial one.

At 20:40, the soldiers show Arshak Zakaryan a brand new PKM machine gun captured from Azerbaijan.

[Hakob]

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Let the unwritten rules die with the Soviet Union. Dedovshchina will exist regardless of whether or not someone grows facial hair on his face. An officer who is corrupt will beat you up whether or not he has facial hair, as has been the case for the last 25 years. Allowing soldiers of all ranks to optionally grow well-trimmed/groomed beards is discipline in itself. Breeds a culture of trust and evokes the spirit of our historic warriors.

Federate you probably did not get what I was saying. Not an officer with a beard but a regular soldier who keeps a beard as a symbol of being higher than everybody else.
Let me ask you, have you do you live in Armenia? Have you lived there?
From your answer I can tell that you have not lived the old Soviet legacy and are very dismissive about the danger. No offense to you from my question intended.
But for you it seems more important the western way of equality and freedom. But for me, the need to break away from past before all those nice things.
When every time we see a soldier has been killed or driven to suicide in our army by fellow soldiers, we demand from authorities to stop this kind of things. To maintain discipline.
Well, for our army this is a way to maintain it. Everybody will look, act, eat, xxxx and be responcible the same.

[Vrej1915]

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http://www.tert.am/am/news/2016/05/07/artur-aghabekyan/2013818

[Vrej1915]

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Ադրբեջանական բանակի գեներալը խուճապահար փախչում է հայկական կողմի կրակից