Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Mos]

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What the hell is that black person doing at 0:33???

[ninetoyadome]

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What the hell is that black person doing at 0:33???

Thats Hrant from HAYQ

couldnt find a better picture

[Mos]

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Hrant? Some sort of joke?

[arakeretzig]

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It's not a joke, it's a hilarious joke.

[Vardan]

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Where is the problem?

[ninetoyadome]

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Israel's arms scale Azerbaijan

SECRET SECTION 01 OF 02 BAKU 000020 NOFORN SIPDIS DEPT FOR EUR / CARC EO 12958: DECL: 01/13/2029 TAGS: PGOV, PRL, PTER, AJ, IS, IR SUBJECT: AZERBAIJAN'S DISCREET SYMBIOSIS WITH ISRAEL REF: A. IIR 6 941 0165 2009 / / USDAO BAKU / / 061207ZJAN09 (NOTAL) B. 08 BAKU 1119 C. BAKU 1917 Classified By: POL / ECON COUNSELOR ROB GARVERICK, REASONS 1.4 B AND D
1. Abstract: Relations between Azerbaijan and Israel's restrained, but close. In both countries have similar geopolitical difficulties and each country considers Iran as a threat to external security. Israel, with first-class defense industry and relaxed the requirements for its clients, is an ideal match for Azerbaijan, solid defense needs which remain largely unmet by the United States, Europe and Russia. This happens for various reasons, in particular with regard to Armenia and the conflict in Nagorny Karabakh. As aptly described the situation in Azerbaijan's President Ilham Aliyev, is a mere "tip of the iceberg, nine tenths of which are hidden from view. Pragmatism relationship has been marked as a recognition of Israel by Azerbaijan, and in the harsh statements and participating in forums of the Islamic Conference (OIC).
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2. Diplomatic correspondence is based on interaction with the Israeli embassy in Baku and colleagues with the officials of the Azerbaijani Ministry of Foreign Affairs, interpose on Israeli issues.
3. Just like Israel, Azerbaijan considers Iran as a major, even an existential threat to security. From this follows the recognition and overall cooperation between the two countries. Israeli (born in America), Ambassador to Baku, Arthur Lenk, often conveyed sympathy to his country, marked by black humor: "If we could change the neighbors to Azerbaijan, we would certainly do it." Even open source reveal extensive relations between the countries, the intelligence services carry them to an earlier period - since the presidency of Heydar Aliyev. This fact makes us think about these connections as the main area of cooperation that both sides, of course, trying to downplay.
4. Azerbaijani authorities to diligently protect the interests of Israel in Baku. For example, Deputy Chief of Mission at the Embassy of Azerbaijan told embassy officials that during the operations in the Gaza Strip, the authorities have significantly improved local security of the embassy. When the administration became aware of the planned demonstration on 2 January, they sent the buses with the police to the place of gathering of protesters and had detention. Police have arrested 25 of the 150 protesters, 20 people were from 10 to 15 days imprisonment. As an example of the contrast - the official Baku allows impunity to picket Iranian embassy, while the theme of protest is the mistreatment of Azerbaijanis in Iran. In connection with the demonstration on December 2 Israeli ambassador told us that "never seen a protester and not treated with any requests, after which anyone could remain under arrest.
5. Thanks to close ties with Israel, Azerbaijan has access to a new level of armaments for the development of its own army. Such a technique he can not get either the U.S. or Europe because of various legal restrictions, either from ex-Soviet suppliers from Belarus and Ukraine. Where the rest of the west are afraid to sell the land combat systems for fear of Azerbaijan cause a new outbreak of the war for the possession of the occupied lands of Nagorno-Karabakh, Israel is free to contract for a substantial supply of arms and benefit from a rich client.
In September 2008, Azerbaijan has quietly signed with the Israeli Ministry of Defense of a large agreement to allow three local businesses supplying mortars, ammunition, rocket launchers and communications equipment. Company «Soltam» was awarded a contract for the supply of mortars and ammunition, «Tadiran Communications» provide a communications device, and the «Israeli Military Industries» provides the missile. It offers a wide range rocket artillery, methods of upgrading the old Soviet 122-millimeter systems "Grad" (BM-21), complexes aiming for 122-300-millimeter rockets and launch vehicles for 300-millimeter rockets.
It is unknown, bought Azeri, we only know that the transaction was concluded on the hundreds of millions of dollars. Azerbaijan has already received from the «Israeli Military Industries» 122-mm multiple rocket launcher system «Lynx», mounted on a heavy Kamaz 63502.
6. According to the latest report of the Ministry of Defense of Azerbaijan signed a joint venture with an Israeli firm for the production of unmanned aerial vehicles. This venture will be 51% belong to Azerbaijan.
7. In May 2008 in Baku was visited by Agriculture Minister Shalom Simchon. Israeli contacts have told us exactly how to describe their bilateral relations, President Aliyev: "Iceberg, which is nine-tenths is hidden from prying eyes." Very true, because Baku balances its friendly relations with Israel with the commitments undertaken in the Organization of Islamic Conference. Therefore, Azerbaijan has not posted an embassy in Israel, dutifully (though only slightly) critical of Israeli military operations in Palestine and Lebanon, and in the international arena supports the line of the OIC, in every way trying not to anger Iran.
When recently the UN General Assembly transferred the embassy move to the Israeli resolution, our contact at the Ministry of Foreign Affairs explained that Azerbaijan would follow the course of the OIC, and between Israel and Azerbaijan, there was "miscommunication" on the ballot. Our Israeli contacts do not use that word, but recognize that not seeking to make in these matters the pressure on Azerbaijan. This affects U.S. policy, as Azerbaijan tries (often successfully) to bring pro-Israel lobby on their side.
8. With regard to those boundaries do exist, but it does not lead to any oppression of Israeli investors and their capital in Azerbaijan (Note: this is hardly puts Israel alone among the countries whose nationals are engaged in investment here. The end notes.)
Deputy Head of the Israeli mission with humor, told us how the Israeli businessmen said that they prefer Kazakhstan Corruption Azerbaijan. Indeed, in Kazakhstan, you have to pay large bribes for doing business, but usually they are in one general payment, while in Azerbaijan demands bribes never ends.
9. Israeli relations with Azerbaijan are built on a clear pragmatism and acute assessment of priorities. Israel needs to keep Azerbaijan as an ally against Iran, a base for reconnaissance and as a market of military equipment. To ensure these goals, the Israelis have set themselves to understand the movements in line with the OIC. Azerbaijan - a state like Israel, sandwiched between large, powerful and unfriendly neighbors. Israel refrained from pressure on Azerbaijan on secondary issues, in order to get the basic. For us, it is obvious that as long as both parties are fully satisfied with the current relationship.
LU

SECRET SECTION 01 OF 02 BAKU 000020 NOFORN SIPDIS DEPT FOR EUR / CARC EO 12958: DECL: 01/13/2029 TAGS: PGOV, PRL, PTER, AJ, IS, IR SUBJECT: AZERBAIJAN'S DISCREET SYMBIOSIS WITH ISRAEL REF: A. IIR 6 941 0165 2009 / / USDAO BAKU / / 061207ZJAN09 (NOTAL) B. 08 BAKU 1119 C. BAKU 1917 Classified By: POL / ECON COUNSELOR ROB GARVERICK, REASONS 1.4 B AND D
1. (C) Summary. Azerbaijan, s relations with Israel are discreet but close. Each country finds it easy to identify with the other, s geopolitical difficulties and both rank Iran as an existential security threat. Israel, s world-class defense industry with its relaxed attitude about its customer base is a perfect match for Azerbaijan, s substantial defense needs that are largely left unmet by the United States, Europe and Russia for various reasons tied to Armenia and Nagorno-Karabakh . Aptly described by Azerbaijani President Aliyev as being & like an iceberg, nine-tenths of it is below the surface, in August this relationship is also marked by a pragmatic recognition by Israel of Azerbaijan, s political need to hew publicly and in international forums to the OIC , s general line. End Summary.
2. (U) This cable is based on Embassy interactions with Israeli colleagues in Baku and with Azerbaijani MFA officials whom we have demarched on Israeli issues.
3. (C) Much like Israel, Azerbaijan perceives Iran as a major, even existential security threat, and the two countries, cooperation flows from this shared recognition. The (US-born) Israeli Ambassador in Baku, Arthur Lenk, often conveys his country, s empathy by remarking with dark humor that if he & had the chance to exchange neighborhoods, with Azerbaijan, I wouldn, t do it.8 Even open sources have identified an extensive relationship between the countries, intelligence services that even predated the presidency of Heydar Aliyev and it only stands to reason that this remains a major area of cooperation which both sides naturally seek to downplay.
4. (C) The Azerbaijani authorities assiduously protect Israeli interests in Baku. For example, the DCM of the Baku Embassy told Emboff that the GOAJ had noticeably improved local security at the Israeli Embassy when the most recent operations began in Gaza. When authorities got word of a planned demonstration on January 2, they dispatched buses to the place where the protesters were preparing to set off for the Embassy and arrested them on the spot. Police detained 25 of the 150 demonstrators rounded up, and 20 of them were sentenced to 10 or 15 days, detention. In sharp contrast, the GOAJ allows demonstrators to picket the Iranian Embassy, so long as the subject of the protest is the treatment of Azeris in Iran. In connection with the December 2 demonstration, the Israeli Embassy told us that they & never even saw8 the demonstrators and made no requests before or after that anyone be held in custody.
5. (C) Through its close relations with Israel, Azerbaijan gets a level of access to the quality weapon systems it needs to develop its army that it can not obtain from the US and Europe due to various legal limitations, nor from its ex-Soviet suppliers , Belarus and Ukraine. Where other Wastern nations are reluctant to sell ground combat systems to the Azerbaijanis for fear of encouraging Azerbaijan to resort to war to regain NK and the occupied territories, Israel is free to make substantial arms sales and benefits greatly from deals with its well-heeled client . In September 2008) again in a little-publicized affair) the GOAJ signed an extensive agreement with the Israeli Defense Ministry providing for three Israeli companies to provide mortars, ammunition, rocket artillery and radio equipment. The company & Soltam8 got the contract to provide mortars and ammunition, & Tadiran Communications8 will provide radio gear, and Israeli Military Industries will provide the rockets. IMI sells a range of rocket artillery and BAKU 00000020 002 OF 002 accessories ranging from upgrade kits for Soviet vintage BM-21 & Grad8 122mm systems, guidance packages for 122mm-300mm rockets and launch vehicles for up to 300mm rockets. It was not clear what exactly the Azerbaijanis bought, as the deal was simply described as being worth & hundreds of millions of dollars.8 Azerbaijan already operates IMI, s 122mm & Lynx8 multiple-launch rocket system, which it mounts on a KAMAZ 63502 heavy truck.
6. (S / NF) Recent USDAO reporting also indicates that the GOAJ through its Ministry of Defense Industries has created a joint venture with an Israeli entity to produce unmanned aerial vehicles (UAVs). This venture will have 51 per cent GOAJ ownership and is distinct from the arrangements reported in para. 5 above.
7. (C) Israeli contacts tell us that President Aliyev aptly described the bilateral relationship as & an iceberg; nine-tenths of it is below the surface8 during the May 2008 visit of Agriculture Minister Shalom Simhon. The sentiment is accurate because Baku balances its cordial relations with the xxxish state with its perceived responsibilities in to the OIC. Therefore Azerbaijan does not maintain an embassy in Israel, it dutifully (although weakly) criticizes Israeli military operations in the Palestinian territories and Lebanon, and in international organizations supports the OIC line and avoids any chance of angering Iran. When Emboff delivered demarches on the UNGA Israel resolutions recently (Reftel A), our MFA contact explained that Azerbaijan would follow the OIC line and that there was & an understanding8 with Israel about Azerbaijan, s voting behavior. Our Israeli contacts do not use the same word but acknowledge that they do not attempt to pressure Azerbaijan on these questions. The relationship also affects US policy insofar as Azerbaijan tries, often successfully, to convince the US pro-Israel lobby to advocate on its behalf.
8. (C) The relationship does have its limits; it does not translate into any preferential treatment for Israeli investors or capital in Azerbaijan (Note: this hardly sets Israel apart among countries whose citizens invest here. End note.) With some humor, the Israeli DCM told us that Israeli businessmen expressed to her that they prefer corruption in Kazakhstan to that of Azerbaijan because in Kazakhstan one can expect to pay exorbitant & fees8 to do business but those are generally collected at once, up front, whereas in Azerbaijan the demands for bribes never cease.
9. (C) Israel, s relations with Azerbaijan are based strongly on pragmatism and a keen appreciation of priorities. Israel, s main goal is to preserve Azerbaijan as an ally against Iran, a platform for reconnaissance of that country and as a market for military hardware. In order to ensure those goals, the Israelis have keenly attuned themselves to the GOAJ, s needs as an OIC member and a state) like Israel) wedged between large, powerful and unfriendly neighbors. They forgo the option of pressuring the GOAJ on secondary issues to secure the primary ones. It is apparent to us that for now both sides are well satisfied with the bilateral state of affairs. LU

/ Russian Reporter /

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[Mos]

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Summary: Israel is using Azerbaijan against Iran, Azerbaijan is using Israel for their high-tech weapons.

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What the hell is that black person doing at 0:33???

More than what you are doing.

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