Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[Zeytun]

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It's not a gossip.
You will find no one having slightly known Manvel in Artsakh, who will tell a positive word about him in prived. People are just obliged/forced by the regime, to tolerate the charachter, most of the time, by silence. You will hardly find a person having faught, saying a positive word on him.
His handdling of the Hakop Kamari battle in Martakert is one of the most infamous of our first war...
The only motto of his was: "Manvel never retreats", and no matter the costs in life.....
And yes, he never retreated, burning hundreds of lives....

I've been in the sector he was in charge of after the cease-fire. So I say what I've seen, not Gossip.
He litterally destroyed the basic infrastructure of the huge district, using army harware, helicopters, cranes.... to sell as crap metal to the persians..., even in plunder he was evidently illetrate, criminally illetrate.
His HQ was pulled back by the local Hadrutsis discontent, every couple of years, from Mekhakavan to reach Goris at the end.
It's been 24 years since, and our NKR budget did not manage to rebuild a fraction of what he dilapidated for kopeks....

I wish it was, but sadly it's not gossip.
He and Liska are the most infamous of all names of the genre...
Yet one is still a kind of operette general, most of the time DEAD DRUNK, named head of the Yerkrabah Union, thus dilapidating the one thing the thousands of veterans still do have, their good fame..., reason of noisy departures and divorces by known fighters...
The other is still the Governor of Syunik, no matter his repeated offences and crimes, even against an active high ranking army officer from Askeran, the most strategic point of the front... seemingly untouchable.... and does plunder the most lucrative Marz, since home of our biggest mining industry, known for its plunder size...

So, it's not Gossip.

If interested, this is the defense of the Manvel team...., cult of personality by illetrates, given full power + inpunity behind secure lines
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KwmDAkNZgiY

Sometimes I wish Asala or a new Tehlirian would emerge, but this time to kill those corrupt ARMENIAN traitors.

[Shant03]

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If you guys want to know what is really sweet, than this is.
The chest thumping roar and then angry shshshshsh of projectile, flying to enemy target many miles away to mersilesly do it's job.
This is loaded by two parts, first projectile is slid and rammed in chamber. Then the ordinance guy (the "monkey boy" as they call them in naval canonery) opens the casing where the charges are laid in a number of pouches in maximum powder charge level. He then takes out some pouches according chief gunners calculated instruction (amount of charge correlates to distance of target and elevation of barrel). He then hands over charge casing to loader who Rams it into chamber and closes the breach.
In a deafening silence everybody waits for the order to fire. Then gun comes to life with your heart. Air pushes your chest and ears become deaf for a second. Time slows but inside of you. Everything jumps. The hushsh of flyer and then sweet smell of gunpowder.
You try to catch the explosion from far away and hear it in your mind even if it is too far away or chocked in thousand explosions.
You have no fear from enemy. All you need is your gun to keep roaring.
Then everybody jumps and runs to do the same routine again to feed this monster but which is like a lover queen having orgazms over and over with crew of her servants.
Gunners are a breed of their own. After a while they all become very attached to their gun.

Sounds like you've been hanging out with arabaliozian

[Hakob]

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Sounds like you've been hanging out with arabaliozian

If you would be hanging with an artillery piece long enough you would become an Ara Baliozian too. LOL
But seriously did you notice how artillery changed the outcome once Azeris did not or could not throw air force into action?
The worst enemy for artillery is Air Force.
Once you eliminate it from skies then artillery rains.
Which makes me think that this time Azeris tried Israeli "technology". Drones, which did not have desired affect.
They realise now that how damaging was not using all the air force before the element of surprise was lost.
Next time they may throw all they got into front. It is very dangerous to concentrate all our efforts into drone killing or trying to prevail in trench lines.
On next all out war, Azeris may very well throw all their Air Force into our rear and create a havoc.
We must push for as strong air defense as we can get.
Once we cover our skies the artillery will stop everything else. We saw that allready.

[Shant03]

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If you would be hanging with an artillery piece long enough you would become an Ara Baliozian too. LOL
But seriously did you notice how artillery changed the outcome once Azeris did not or could not throw air force into action?
The worst enemy for artillery is Air Force.
Ice you eliminate it from skies then artillery rains.
Which makes me think that this time Azeris tried Israeli "technology". Drones, which did not have desired affect.
They realise now that how damaging was not using all the air force before the element of surprise was lost.
Next time they may throw all they got into front. It is very dangerous to concentrate all our efforts into drone killing or trying to prevail in trench lines.
On next all out war, Azeris may very well throw all their Air Force into our rear and create a havoc.
We must push for as strong air defense as we can get.
Once we cover our skies the artillery will stop everything else. We saw that allready.

I think we should also implement some syria tactics if we don't already. We should have maybe 50-100 of these 4x4/TOW combinations..

[Hakob]

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I think we should also implement some syria tactics if we don't already. We should have maybe 50-100 of these 4x4/TOW combinations..

You guarantee an air cover and I, with my artillery regiment will cover vast area of several thousant hectares square to square, meter by meter. Raining clouds of shrapnel, tearing up anything, including those TOW missiles before they come to their range.
Tell me which square was a fire coming from and what kind of target it could be and I will sent shells that explode over targets, dig in and then detonate in buildings, trenches. Home in in any vehicle and piercing it with melted copper charge.

You see, nowadays with GPS positioning and mapping and communication systems and my fast positioning and calculating electronics there is no point in land that I won't be able to hit within seconds.
As a matter of fact whole war theatre has become an enormous target in front of me. Just put the cross hair where you need them.
Only keep enemy Air Force away.

[Federate]

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Brainwashed Azeri kids being raised to hate Armenians. The next generation will be even more fukked than the current.

[argin]

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These idiots always have to give a bigger number to make themselves feel better smh

Azerbaijan liberates 2,000ha of land during April clashes


Baku. Hafiz Heydarov – APA. Azerbaijani armed forces have liberated 2,000 hectares of land from occupants during the April clashes, military sources told APA on Wednesday.

According to the sources, the Azerbaijani army also regained control over some strategic heights, which allow to keep a large part of the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh under surveillance.

Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan told reporters on May 17 that the country’s armed forces lost 800hectares of the 800,000ha territory which they hold for security reasons, adding that the lost territories were not of any strategic or tactical importance.

[Hakob]

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Brainwashed Azeri kids being raised to hate Armenians. The next generation will be even more fukked than the current.

This is orchestrated just like soviet times.
Kids are led by slogans they don't fully anderstand and in future may hate them because those slogans are not from their being but forced to believe.
While our kids are tougt to love and protect their home, family and nation, Azeris are thought to sacrifice themselfs for their country.
One slogan in this video is "no death of shahid, no prospering homeland". Another is "Karabakh is our's and will stay our".
Just like communists thought that capitalism was our enemy forever and it was our duty to sacrifice our selfs for communizm's victory. Nobody believed those but you had to show active devotion or else...
That school principal lady talks about how "they don't want a bloodshed, but they were ready to sacrifice for winning back their land".
Soon kids grow up and those hyper ideology that was forced by teachers becomes part of state ideology in their mind. If state is hated, so will this idea of self sacrifice. More so, when that youth realizes that winning back this land is no way tied up with their personal well being.
Compare to our kids, where they are not forced to believe by anybody in their society but by the behavior of those inhumane neighbors, which threaten their family and well being(so this goes over to whole society they live in).
That is why, this fight is not for centimeters of territory, even though this territory sometimes symbolizes th society.
This fight is for security and well being of one's self, family and society in a certain boundary necessary for it. That is our moving philosophy.
It was very correct by our leaders not to sacrifice any more life for those posts as long as they are not that essential, because every soldier and citizen has to know that their lives are more valuable than any piece of land. Once the trust and believe is deep rooted, then said soldier will be ready to sacrifice, because every meter of dirt he takes as a personal necessity, not just an ideal.
Next most important area for our society is to guarantee to its members that each and everyone of them has the importance of well being economically. The well being of country is guaranteed by their personal well being in society.
That's very hard in Armrnia now, but we have to realise this and change.
Once this happens, the emigration will stop.

[arakeretzig]

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These idiots always have to give a bigger number to make themselves feel better smh

Azerbaijan liberates 2,000ha of land during April clashes


Baku. Hafiz Heydarov – APA. Azerbaijani armed forces have liberated 2,000 hectares of land from occupants during the April clashes, military sources told APA on Wednesday.

According to the sources, the Azerbaijani army also regained control over some strategic heights, which allow to keep a large part of the territory of Nagorno-Karabakh under surveillance.

Armenian President Serzh Sargsyan told reporters on May 17 that the country’s armed forces lost 800hectares of the 800,000ha territory which they hold for security reasons, adding that the lost territories were not of any strategic or tactical importance.

This is why losing territories is dangerous. It gives the enemy's population the belief they can take more territories which encorages more wars. Serj doesnt seem to get that.

[Hakob]

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This is why losing territories is dangerous. It gives the enemy's population the belief they can take more territories which encorages more wars. Serj doesnt seem to get that.

But soon or later that enemy population finds out or has allready found out that the great victory their government is trumpeting is a lie and everything about this conflict becomes worthless for them.
There are many Azeri opposition media that are questioning government's claim and spread the thruth that all those lives lost ended up just a sliver of land. One of those Azeri interviews was posted in this forum.
While our government's declaration about insignificance of those areas has been questioned a thousand times and at the end it always ends up proven that our state does not lie and strengthens our unity, same way Azeris question about huge land "liberated" by their army and find out it is not true.
So this propaganda actually affects very negatively at the end for Azeris.
Again, I believe it's not worth sacrificing for propaganda reasons.
Once a soldier believe his live is used for propaganda, it's hard for him to fight for any liberation.
Azeris are still in cold shower.
Their government would still declare that they liberated something even if you took all back and some more extra.