Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

ՀԱՊԿ ՕԱՀՈւ «Կոբալտ 2016» համատեղ վարժանքները

[burjuin]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

ՀԱՊԿ ՕԱՀՈւ «Կոբալտ 2016» համատեղ վարժանքները

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Armenia MOD: Night, day, and thermal vision devices are being installed at contact line

Good Job! They listened ... now they need to install the vibration sensors connected to the shotgun cannon.

[bayhye]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Good Job! They listened ... now they need to install the vibration sensors connected to the shotgun cannon.

How were these not already there?

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

How were these not already there?

Too comfortable/confident for over 25 years. Since the last experience, things have changed.

[ASALA2116]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I will breakdown Samvel's arguments and give my opinion on them





Not true at all, his ties to the Russian Generals are showing. Russia is pursuing is fruitless endeavor at reintegrating Azerbaijan into their sphere. Azerbaijan is GONE. It is a Turkish puppet state and has been since that Elchibey. There are even rumors that the Azerbaijani military and interior ministry are controlled by Turkish Generals.



This is obvious. Our government got too comfortable with the status quo and let their guard down.



They are unwilling to compromise because they have the technological and numerical upperhand. The oil revenue and support from Turkey have allowed the Azerbaijanis to technologically modernize their armed forces to a ridiculous level. They are currently a lightyear ahead of us in terms of technological and this IS NOT to be underestimated.



This is the part where many get confused.

Armenia is lacking severely in these areas:

Armored vehicles (Severely lacking; Technological disparity)

Self-propelled artillery (severely lacking)

Air superiority/Multirole fighters (severely lacking

Armenia is superior to Azerbaijan when it comes to ballistic missile forces. We simply have way more which can overwhelm their air defense network. The acquisition of Iskander would only strengthen this.

Armenia has also closed a very important gap - MLRS

The upcoming acquisition of TOS-1A and Smerch MLRS has fully closed this disparity. This is a success achieved in the arms race

We need to begin full-scale modernization of our main battle tanks and we need to begin acquiring more modern IFVs.



I 100% agree. Ceding some parts of the buffer zone back to the Azerbaijanis, which would allow their refugees to return, would be not only the right thing to do but the smart thing to do. We should retain Karvachar and Lachin, as those are vital to Armenian national and water security along with retaining NK itself. Aghdam, Fuzili, Zangilan, etc should be given back to Azerbaijan. These regions are nothing but desolate ruins and would become and economic burden to develop again. No one lives there as well. I know in the past 120 years, we have lost a lot - too much. Sometimes you have to compromise and Samvel is right here. Solving our problems with Azerbaijan peacefully would also allow us on focusing more of our effort on regaining regions like Kars, Ardahan and Mt. Ararat. We should have made claims to those lands yesterday....Things like the BTC pipeline would become a non-issue.

How I see things

Are you sick in the head ? No lands are to go back nowhere. Full stop ! We don't negotiate lands with people who want to murder us. We only go forward from here. Armenia has hardly the air space as it is and you want to return the lands for peace ? You remind me of that woos from 40 days of Musa Dagh the movie who thought the Turks would treat them well taking his family with him leaving the mountain when warned of the danger , only to be killed and hung to a tree . The leaders of the Armenians watching from the mountain can hear the screams of the Turkish General "Come down Armenians, this is what is going to happen to you all ." I believe Lori you need to 're think your position and not go down that mountain . You need to stay up top with the rest of us.

[Lori]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

Are you sick in the head ? No lands are to go back nowhere. Full stop ! We don't negotiate lands with people who want to murder us. We only go forward from here. Armenia has hardly the air space as it is and you want to return the lands for peace ? You remind me of that woos from 40 days of Musa Dagh the movie who thought the Turks would treat them well taking his family with him leaving the mountain when warned of the danger , only to be killed and hung to a tree . The leaders of the Armenians watching from the mountain can hear the screams of the Turkish General "Come down Armenians, this is what is going to happen to you all ." I believe Lori you need to 're think your position and not go down that mountain . You need to stay up top with the rest of us.

I guess we're not done here.

There will be no peace without the exchanging of lands. Its that simple. I suggest you read up on all the settlement plans, you will see that there are much worse options for Armenia. Only people here who are sick in the head are the ones who actually believe that Armenia has the resources and abilities to survive this siege-like status quo.

And what is this nonsense about airspace? Even with Artsakh and the surrounding territories, Armenia wouldn't be able to maintain a fleet of air superiority or multirole fighters. If airspace is what you are concerned about, then I suggest you begin reviewing your priorities.

I believe Lori you need to 're think your position and not go down that mountain . You need to stay up top with the rest of us.

I'd rather descend the mountain, towards peace, then to stay up there with you and freeze to death.

Peace in Artsakh will open the road to Western Armenia. Not war. The only way to achieve this is what Samvel suggested. Territorial concessions, on our terms

As for Armenian refugees mentioned, I believe all Armenians living in Russia should be repatriated to Armenia.

Or we could all just migrate to Kuban and make Armavir our new capital

[Hakob]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

[QUOTE=Lori;374162]I guess we're not done here.

There will be no peace without the exchanging of lands. Its that simple. I suggest you read up on all the settlement plans, you will see that there are much worse options for Armenia. Only people here who are sick in the head are the ones who actually believe that Armenia has the resources and abilities to survive this siege-like status quo.













So you agree with Azeri government that status quo cannot continue any longer? Lol
What peace are you talking about? Has there been any sign or peace intention from Turks any time in near history?
As long as we had an independent state we have been in war with Turks for our survival. Be it with our first republic or the third. All the time. Are you gona keep pretending that this war is about Artsakh security zones only and not about the Turkish drive to wipe out all of Armenians from there?


What is this your noncence about "Peace in Artsakh will open up road to western Armenia"? How are you connecting one to other? How can a current achievement be zeroed to something irrrelevant? Are you trying to mislead people?
I have to question your deep motives rightfully.
What options are you trying to scare people up with?can you list them.
What siege are you talking about? The word "siege" with it's propaganda have come only from Turks themselfs so far, why do you pick that up?
Are you Armenian?

[ASALA2116]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I guess we're not done here.

There will be no peace without the exchanging of lands. Its that simple. I suggest you read up on all the settlement plans, you will see that there are much worse options for Armenia. Only people here who are sick in the head are the ones who actually believe that Armenia has the resources and abilities to survive this siege-like status quo.

And what is this nonsense about airspace? Even with Artsakh and the surrounding territories, Armenia wouldn't be able to maintain a fleet of air superiority or multirole fighters. If airspace is what you are concerned about, then I suggest you begin reviewing your priorities.



I'd rather descend the mountain, towards peace, then to stay up there with you and freeze to death.

Peace in Artsakh will open the road to Western Armenia. Not war. The only way to achieve this is what Samvel suggested. Territorial concessions, on our terms

As for Armenian refugees mentioned, I believe all Armenians living in Russia should be repatriated to Armenia.

Or we could all just migrate to Kuban and make Armavir our new capital

Western Armenia is occupied by oppressors. I prefer the Turkish border stay closed .. Look at what these Turks did to Iraq and Syria. Is that what you want ? Armenia can manage , we have always managed. We don't need peace, when our neighbors who brainwash there children and people that Armenians are occupying there territories and we are liars and savages.

[Azad]

Re: Nagorno-Karabagh: Military Balance Between Armenia & Azerbaijan

I'd rather descend the mountain, towards peace, then to stay up there with you and freeze to death.

Please do! You won’t be the first Armenian, Greek, kurd or Slav to be part of the happy invading turkic union.
Just don’t convince other to submit to those backwards turkic unions.
We have no plans to hand over any part of our historic homeland.